Protestants, why are you not Catholic?

[1rocky1]

Simpleas…I gave the explanation of what those verses in Eze mean…Eze is a prophetic book and those verses are referring to Israel in a future time. Study it out for yourself…they do not refer to individuals. Also because there are many false prophets and teachings 1john4:1 tells us to test the spirits to see whether they are from God. When a person or spirit is claiming to speak for God test what they are saying with a discerning spirit. We are to discern what is being said.read 1st thes 5:20-21, 2nd Cor11:13-15, Acts 17:10-11, 2ndTim2:15, psalm 119:105. I am that both of you will be “objective” in our discussions & not “subjective.”

 

[josie_L]

One of the core facts is to believe in Jesus Christ, dare I say, maybe not the catholic church… we have many religions that do not accept Christ as the one true God, but they do believe in a creator.
So I wonder if God is offended that people do not believe in his son, as all were called to do, but believing in a deity is ok by God…

Those who reject the Son, reject the one who sent Him, i.e., the Father.

 

[1rocky1]

Simpleas & JonC…As for what baptism means in any of the scriptures I will refer you to the definition in the Greek dictionary found in the back of Strongs concordance…nbrs 907’ 908 & 910. then see what the context in which it is used is. it does not include “forgiveness” as part of the definition.

 

[1rocky1]

Fatherknowsbest…if you study the word “baptism” nbrs 907’, 908’ & 910 in the Greek dictionary found in the back of the Strongs Concordance or look it up on line you will see it has different meanings. In the case you sight it is referring to being baptized in Christ thru accepting Him in His death, resurrection &shed blood. Another meaning is to be “immersed” in water which is baptism subsequent to salvation.

Shalom
Walt

 

[GaryTaylor]

Simpleas & JonC…As for what baptism means in any of the scriptures I will refer you to the definition in the Greek dictionary found in the back of Strongs concordance…nbrs 907’ 908 & 910. then see what the context in which it is used is. it does not include “forgiveness” as part of the definition.

1. baptizo bap-tid’-zo from a derivative of 911; to immerse, submerge; to make whelmed (i.e. fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:–Baptist, baptize, wash.

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1. baptisma bap’-tis-mah from 907; baptism (technically or figuratively):–baptism.

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1. baptismos bap-tis-mos’ from 907; ablution (ceremonial or Christian):–baptism, washing.

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1. Baptistes bap-tis-tace’ from 907; a baptizer, as an epithet of Christ’s forerunner:–Baptist.

It doesn’t address the point of remission of sin or forgiveness.

 

[Bernard_Lyons]

Mark10:18…“there is none good but one that is,God”
Not long ago,a Russelite(Jw),abused this verse,and blasphemed the eternal son of God in His Diety.Being now along time freed from first Roman Catholic tradition,and then Protestant error I now own that only that which was ONCE delivered to the saints ,even "That which was from the beginning "(1john1),can and does satisfy .I believe the rich young man,in this verse views only an holy man(like JWs) before him : his “seeing” eyes looking only at a man.Despite this blindness to (and need for) the saviour,Jesus condescends and by asking this question,he declares that all mankind are reprobate before His holy eyes.(Paul underlines this Rom3:12)thus showing us that it is this man’s view of his own spiritual “wealth” (this is also is revealed by his own words:"what must I "DO.)that made him impotent to obey the command and blind to the saviour in front of him,and also ignorant to the nature of the law as purposed by God:to slay self righteousness in His own sheep?Rom7:11.How do I know?As one who was impotent to even as much as lift up my head (a spiritual bankrupt)God the saviour heard my prayer and amazed I "went down to my house (and before the judgement throne)justified.Luke18:14.Where ever you are beware ,that is of your own currency! Love in the name of The Lord Jesus Christ. Bernard Lyons.

 

[FathersKnowBest]

Fatherknowsbest…if you study the word “baptism” nbrs 907’, 908’ & 910 in the Greek dictionary found in the back of the Strongs Concordance or look it up on line you will see it has different meanings.

Hmmm … so, you DON’T believe in sola scriptura? You believe in scriptura ac strongs?

In the case you sight it is referring to being baptized in Christ thru accepting Him in His death, resurrection &shed blood.

… through water baptism, yes.
That’s the only possible meaning of the text, without re-inventing the language.

Another meaning is to be “immersed” in water which is baptism subsequent to salvation.

No, it means to be “baptised” as was used colloquially.

Read the Didache, which was written by the Christian community at the time the Apostles were still alive and teaching.

 

[SteveVH]

Mark10:18…“there is none good but ne that is,God”
Not long ago,a Russelite(Jw),abused this verse,and blasphemed the eternal son of God in His Diety.Being now along time freed from first Roman Catholic tradition,and then Protestant error I now own that only that which was ONCE delivered to the saints ,even "That which was from the beginning "(1john1),can and does satisfy .I believe the rich young man,in this verse views only an holy man(like JWs) before him : his “seeing” eyes looking only at a man.Despite this blindness to (and need for) the saviour,Jesus condescends and by asking this question,he declares that all mankind are reprobate before His holy eyes.(Paul underlines this Rom3:12)thus showing us that it is this man’s view of his own spiritual “wealth” (this is also is revealed by his own words:"what must I "DO.)that made him impotent to obey the command and blind to the saviour in front of him,and also ignorant to the nature of the law as purposed by God:to slay self righteousness in His own sheep?Rom7:11.How do I know?As one who was impotent to even lift up my head(a spiritual bankrupt)God the saviour heard my prayer and amazed I "went down to my house (and before the judgement throne)justified.Luke18:14.Where ever you are ,beware that is ,of your own currency! Love in the name of The Lord Jesus Christ. Bernard Lyons.

Sorry, but your post is very confusing. What are you trying to say, exactly?

 

[1rocky1]

Gary Taylor…I don’t understand why people want to devote their service to Mary & not Jesus. I know there are at least 2 references to the “Queen of heaven”…Jer 7:18 & Jer 44:17-25.

Shalom
Walt

 

[JonNC]

Gary Taylor…I don’t understand why people want to devote their service to Mary & not Jesus. I know there are at least 2 references to the “Queen of heaven”…Jer 7:18 & Jer 44:17-25.

Shalom
Walt

Gary’s post said:

1. baptizo bap-tid’-zo from a derivative of 911; to immerse, submerge; to make whelmed (i.e. fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:–Baptist, baptize, wash.

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1. baptisma bap’-tis-mah from 907; baptism (technically or figuratively):–baptism.

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1. baptismos bap-tis-mos’ from 907; ablution (ceremonial or Christian):–baptism, washing.

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1. Baptistes bap-tis-tace’ from 907; a baptizer, as an epithet of Christ’s forerunner:–Baptist.

It doesn’t address the point of remission of sin or forgiveness.

What does this have to do with Gary’s Mariology? Further, I can tell you from my long experience with not only Gary but also many Catholics here that their focus of faith and service is Christ Jesus, and The Blessed Virgin helps that focus.

Jon

 

[GaryTaylor]

Gary Taylor…I don’t understand why people want to devote their service to Mary & not Jesus. I know there are at least 2 references to the “Queen of heaven”…Jer 7:18 & Jer 44:17-25.

Shalom
Walt

All worship is reserved for Jesus Christ.

Praise to the Lord of my salvation,
Salvation is of Christ the Lord.

Amen.

I think your misunderstanding the respect which is given the Saints and the Lords holy people within the apostolic church’s.

 

[JonNC]

Simpleas & JonC…As for what baptism means in any of the scriptures I will refer you to the definition in the Greek dictionary found in the back of Strongs concordance…nbrs 907’ 908 & 910. then see what the context in which it is used is. it does not include “forgiveness” as part of the definition.

Gary provided a definition, but a definition is not what we are talking about. What does Baptism do? St. Paul says “Baptism now saves you”. If one is saved, one is saved from sin, death, and the Devil. Baptism provides forgiveness of sin, and brings us into the new covenant.

Jon

 

[SteveVH]

Gary Taylor…I don’t understand why people want to devote their service to Mary & not Jesus. I know there are at least 2 references to the “Queen of heaven”…Jer 7:18 & Jer 44:17-25.

Shalom
Walt

I have never in my life heard a Catholic say that we should devote our service to Mary and not Jesus. Nor has Gary said this. The service of Mary is the service of Jesus. She points to him, not to herself.

 

[1rocky1]

JonNC…if you read the definitions of "baptism"you’ll find out that baptism neither saves nor forgives…only Jesus saves & forgives.

Shalom
Walt

 

[JonNC]

JonNC…if you read the definitions of "baptism"you’ll find out that baptism neither saves nor forgives…only Jesus saves & forgives.

Shalom
Walt

And Jesus instituted the sacrament of Baptism for that purpose. It is by His grace we are saved. Yes? Well, Baptism and the other sacraments (for Lutherans that would include the Lord’s Supper and Confession/Holy Absolution) are the means of Grace. They are how He brings His grace to us.
1 Peter 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,…

Jon

 

[Novocastrian]

Hmmm … so, you DON’T believe in sola scriptura? You believe in scriptura ac strongs?

Oh come on. Your argument is strong enough that you don’t need this cheap and unpersuasive shot. Do you really think there are Protestants who believe that it is a sin against the authority of Scripture to consult a dictionary/concordance/other Bible resources in an attempt to better understand the text of Scripture, especially in the original languages? You discredit your own argument by even pretending that this is a valid line of questioning.

 

[1rocky1]

Gary…Saints are believers in Christ…I am not taking anything away from “respect” for Mary however Jesus is the only one reverence is to be given to…ie…the rosary is all about Mary & nothing re:Jesus. Prayers are offered up to the dead but very few if any to Jesus. The scapular, novenas, the rosary, praying to the dead are all directed away from Jesus. why?

Shalom
Walt

 

[Novocastrian]

Gary…Saints are believers in Christ…I am not taking anything away from “respect” for Mary however Jesus is the only one reverence is to be given to…ie…the rosary is all about Mary & nothing re:Jesus. Prayers are offered up to the dead but very few if any to Jesus. The scapular, novenas, the rosary, praying to the dead are all directed away from Jesus. why?

Shalom
Walt

I’m not a Roman Catholic, and will disagree with them on a few issues, but you can’t just misrepresent their views.

 

[1rocky1]

Steve I have & whether it is verbalized or not it is what happens. My catholic bible has “to Jesus thru Mary” I inscribed on the front cover. How can one give service to Mary for Jesus when reverence & adoration belongs solely to Jesus. Jesus alone deserves all reverence as He alone died for us.

Shalom
Walt

 

[JonNC]

I’m not a Roman Catholic, and will disagree with them on a few issues, but you can’t just misrepresent their views.

Oh come on. Your argument is strong enough that you don’t need this cheap and unpersuasive shot. Do you really think there are Protestants who believe that it is a sin against the authority of Scripture to consult a dictionary/concordance/other Bible resources in an attempt to better understand the text of Scripture, especially in the original languages? You discredit your own argument by even pretending that this is a valid line of questioning.

Jon