Protestants, why are you not Catholic?

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I actually agree with you. But you believe the Catholic (with a capital “C” has that authority). While the rest of the catholic church (with a little “c”) does not agree with that stance.
St Ignatius was a disciple of St John. The Catholic Church that he is referring to has Bishops, Priests and the Eucharist.

“See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110).

And St Cyprian refers to this Catholic Church (and Priests) and that others flatter themselves by being part of this Catholic Church but are not.

”Whence you ought to know that the bishop is in the Church, and the Church in the bishop; and if any one be not with the bishop, that he is not in the Church, and that those flatter themselves in vain who creep in, not having peace with God’s priests, and think that they communicate secretly with some; while the Church, which is Catholic and one, is not cut nor divided, but is indeed connected and bound together by the cement of priests who cohere with one another.” Cyprian, To Florentius, Epistle 66/67 (A.D. 254).
The only difference between the Catholic church and the rest of the church on canon is the Apocrypha which was added at the council of Trent in response to the Protestant movement. Yes it was an addendum to the Bible but disagreed within the early church of its inspiration.
No books were added at Trent. You are echoing false teaching that you’ve heard from your protestant brethren. The Catholic Church has included the deutercanonicals as they were part of the Septuagint which the apostles used.

Council of Rome (382 ad) = 73 books
Synod of Hippo (393 ad) = 73 books
Synod of Carthage I (397) = 73 books
Council Florence (1442) = 73 books
Council of Trent (1546) = 73 books

Below is from the Council of Rome.

“Likewise it has been said: Now indeed we must treat of the divine Scriptures, what the universal Catholic Church accepts and what she ought to shun. The order of the Old Testament begins here: Genesis one book, Exodus one book, Leviticus one book, Numbers one book, Deuteronomy one book, Josue Nave one book, Judges one book, Ruth one book, Kings four books, Paralipomenon two books, Psalms one book, Solomon three books, Proverbs one book, Ecclesiastes one book, Canticle of Canticles one book, likewise Wisdom one book, Ecclesiasticus one book. Likewise the order of the Prophets. Isaias one book, Jeremias one book,with Ginoth, that is, with his lamentations, Ezechiel one book,Daniel one book, Osee one book, Micheas one book, Joel one book, Abdias one book, Jonas one book, Nahum one book, Habacuc one book, Sophonias one book, Aggeus one book, Zacharias one book, Malachias one book. Likewise the order of the histories. Job one book, Tobias one book, Esdras two books, Esther one book, Judith one book, Machabees two books. Likewise the order of the writings of the New and eternal Testament, which only the holy and Catholic Church supports. Of the Gospels, according to Matthew one book, according to Mark one book, according to Luke one book, according to John one book. The Epistles of Paul [the apostle] in number fourteen. To the Romans one, to the Corinthians two, to the Ephesians one, to the Thessalonians two, to the Galatians one, to the Philippians one, to the Colossians one, to Timothy two, to Titus one, to Philemon one, to the Hebrews one. Likewise the Apocalypse of John, one book. And the Acts of the Apostles one book. Likewise the canonical epistles in number seven. Of Peter the Apostle two epistles, of James the Apostle one epistle, of John the Apostle one epistle, of another John, the presbyter, two epistles, of Jude the Zealut, the Apostle one epistle.” Pope Damasus (regn. A.D. 366-384), Decree of the Council of Rome, The Canon of Scripture (A.D. 382).

To have only 66 books in your bible is to remove 7 books considered inspired and inerrant since 382ad and to follow a man-made tradition since the reformation. Interesting still, that the Original King James bible had 73 books in it.

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]Your words here don’t really compute, I don’t mean that snarkily, but just in a logic sense. There is Truth. Absolute truth means that someone that agrees with it is right, and someone that contradicts it is wrong.
This is true, indeed. It is a non-sequitur, but true nontheless.
If I tell you plants are green because of chlorophyll, am I right or wrong and how do you know? If I tell you Jesus is God, am I right or wrong and how do you know? If I say 2 added to 2 is 4, am I right or wrong and how do you know? This all goes into the lovely world of epistemology and metaphysics.
Excellent. So you don’t get to decide for yourself, but must defer to the authority of Absolute Truth.

And when someone says, “The Bible says that must never [A]” there is, indeed, a possibility that this person may be erroneous.

And how does one know? Who is it that determines that this person is erroneous?

Does the person get to decide for herself?
 
The Jews didn’t even finalize their canon until after Jesus. My belief is they no longer had any authority. The Jews also reject the New Testament. One of the reasons that some books were rejected was that no Hebrew text could be found which became untrue with the Dead Sea Scrolls. Please start a thread with the supposed mistakes and contradictions. I would point out that the same is said about the New Testament.
 
No, you are confusing mediation with intercession. Christ is our only mediator and is the go-between us and God. We can ask others to pray for us. That is intercession.

But to my original point. My wife will pray to a saint or Mary for a specific need (intercession). My question to her is why? I go to the Lord for the same need. It’s kind of like going to your manager to effect some needed change in the workplace, or presenting you case directly to the CEO. I chose the latter.

Plus, there is no Biblical evidence that Mary nor the saint can hear prayers.
Your question reminds me of the marriage at Cana. Jesus’ first miracle was at the request of His mother even though He said it was not His time. I can’t help believe that Jesus was telling us something about the influence of His mother.
 
No, you are confusing mediation with intercession. Christ is our only mediator and is the go-between us and God. We can ask others to pray for us. That is intercession.

Well, ok.

But if you ask me to pray for you, then I am mediating for you to God. I am stepping in the middle (that’s what mediation means–being in the middle, media).

So if you don’t have a problem with me mediating for you, without it usurping the One Mediatorship of Christ, then you ought to not have a problem with Mary mediating for us.

And at this point in the discussion with Protestants, the objection will then go to, “Well, we don’t really know that the dead can hear us.”

So we get to the understanding that there isn’t anything wrong with asking for the saints’ intercessions, but the objection becomes that we can’t know that they can hear us.

For no one can really object to asking for anyone’s intercession.
 
But to my original point. My wife will pray to a saint or Mary for a specific need (intercession). My question to her is why?
Because the prayers of a righteous man avails us much.
I go to the Lord for the same need. It’s kind of like going to your manager to effect some needed change in the workplace, or presenting you case directly to the CEO. I chose the latter.
Then you ought never ask anyone to pray for your intention. You ought to go directly to Jesus. ONLY.
 
Protestants are entirely different from Catholic because protestants ONLY believe that GOD is the ONLY savior. There’s no Virgin Mary, Santo Niño, and any other saints that Catholic are idolize…
 
Protestants are entirely different from Catholic because protestants ONLY believe that GOD is the ONLY savior. There’s no Virgin Mary, Santo Niño, and any other saints that Catholic are idolize…
Catholics too believe that our Lord is the only Savior. The rest of us, especially the BVM & Saints, are instruments of God’s peace. The Blessed Mother and the Saints are honored, but not to be idolized.

You may find this tract insightful.
catholic.com/tracts/saint-worship
 
Protestants are entirely different from Catholic because protestants ONLY believe that GOD is the ONLY savior. There’s no Virgin Mary, Santo Niño, and any other saints that Catholic are idolize…
You’re making us look bad.
 
Your question reminds me of the marriage at Cana. Jesus’ first miracle was at the request of His mother even though He said it was not His time. I can’t help believe that Jesus was telling us something about the influence of His mother.
I don’t know why that mad icon came up. I must of checked it wihout realize it not mad no reason to be.🤷
 
No, It’s not like that. Sorry if I you feel that way. There are many Catholics (not all) who’s praying to the saints for salvation instead of Christ.
 
No, It’s not like that. Sorry if I you feel that way. There are many Catholics (not all) who’s praying to the saints for salvation instead of Christ.
That is not what the Catholic Church teaches.

If you have any objection to what the Catholic Church teaches, then we can discuss here.

But as for criticizing what Catholics do, well, that’s like criticizing the doctor for the patients who don’t take the medicine she prescribed.
 
No, It’s not like that. Sorry if I you feel that way. There are many Catholics (not all) who’s praying to the saints for salvation instead of Christ.
In my 65 years, I know of no Catholic who pray to the saints for salvation nor can you provide a document that says the Catholic Church believes it.
 
Protestants are entirely different from Catholic because protestants ONLY believe that GOD is the ONLY savior. There’s no Virgin Mary, Santo Niño, and any other saints that Catholic are idolize…
Welcome to the CAFs, BTW.

Hope you have a long and fruitful tenure here. 🙂
 
I have felt led the Holy Spirit, and have also felt led by what I thought was the Holy Spirit.

That’s the dilemma for the human person, is it not? We can’t tell sometimes if it’s the HS, or just our own personal agenda.

How do we discern which it is?

I know my answer as a Catholic.

What is your answer?
The same as the finding; prayer, study, and asking God to let me know the answer, asking for wisdom, which God says is available for the asking. We have not because we ask not. As a Catholic you believe that the dilemma you point out should be put on another human’s shoulders; those in the magisterium. I don’t believe we can, or should, do that. Take what they say or teach into account? Sure.
Every objection that has been brought up (usually by Protestants) has to do with a different way of presenting the same teaching. To wit: Original Sin. And the Immaculate Conception. Transubstantiation.

When you look at the teachings of the Orthodox, even if they don’t call it Original Sin or the IC, what they profess about OS and the IC is quite Catholic.
From reading the “fights” on this board, I think there would be quite a few Catholics and Orthodox that would disagree with you. From the research I’ve done, I would disagree with you too, esp. over the role of the bishop of Rome. That singular issue actually has an impact on all others, doesn’t it?
Well, as there are tens of thousands of Protestant denominations,
Again, I repeat; Where are you getting your numbers from? Everyone that goes around saying this is committing an “Everyone knows” fallacy. If you are pulling it from the source I’ve seen quoted, then there are multiple hundreds of Catholic denominations. Where is your source?
Excellent. So you don’t get to decide for yourself, but must defer to the authority of Absolute Truth.

And when someone says, “The Bible says that must never [A]” there is, indeed, a possibility that this person may be erroneous.

And how does one know? Who is it that determines that this person is erroneous?

Does the person get to decide for herself?
God decides, as He is absolute Truth. Now, when two people are talking, if I believe I have come to truth on say… tithing and I’m claiming that is for all believers, and someone else claims to have come to the truth and we disagree, then we discuss. And yes, then it is up to each person to pay attention, study, and pray in order to come to the correct conclusion. Reasoning, praying, meditating, studying, having the ability to form a logical apologetic, that is one of our responsibilities. Does that include weighing other people’s words and teachings? Absolutely, but we need to take responsibility for our beliefs and our words, for God will have us answering for them.
 
No, It’s not like that. Sorry if I you feel that way. There are many Catholics (not all) who’s praying to the saints for salvation instead of Christ.
Incidentally, I would be very cautious about judging who or what a person is worshipping, based on their outward appearance.

For one could easily judge (probably incorrectly) that this man is worshipping his bible:



Or, that these people are worshipping a box of kleenex:

 
The same as the finding; prayer, study, and asking God to let me know the answer, asking for wisdom, which God says is available for the asking. We have not because we ask not.
Then what do you say to the person who says that he has done exactly what you have done, and has concluded that the Bible teaches that women ought not wear pants?

When you tell him that he is “erroneous” he will tell you, “Well, I prayed about it and studied the verses and the Holy Spirit told me that no women should wear pants.”

You cannot deny him what you reserve for yourself: the right to read and come to his own conclusions about what the Bible says.
I don’t believe we can, or should, do that. Take what they say or teach into account? Sure.
Then that makes you into your own pope.

Or it prevents you from telling another person that he is erroneous.
 
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