Protestants: why do you participate on a Catholic forum?

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I’m certain the real life GraceDK is as sweet as honey, but I wonder, why are you on the Non-Catholic section of this forum?

Have a great day,
Jon
We I never understood that it was off limits for me to go and have dialog in the non-Catholic religions section. You see, “Non Catholic Religions” is a headline for the topics discussed in this section… you get it? In all actuality you can be whereever you want on these boards and speak your mind… just as long as you stay on topic.

Now that you have seen that you have misunderstood the purpose of head lines, maybe I and my brothers will be less of an annoyance to you when you see us all over the place…
 
I agree that CAF is “right wing”, but I wouldn’t say that it’s “extreme right wing”.
It’s not “right-wing”. Or “extremist”. It is simply Catholic. To be truly Catholic or better yet a “good” Catholic does not make one “right-wing” or “extreme”, but rather simply faithful to the teachings of the RCC.

Why is it that todays “political climate” dictates that anyone who believes in the sanctity of life, that abortion is the murder of an innocent or that capitol punishment is wrong is now branded as a right wing extremist? Why is devotion to the Lord considered “backwards” thinking or a hindrence to a free society? Secularists have determined that religion is the ruin of our country. They have rewritten history to exclude any mention of Jesus, when it is a fact that the majority of political change was begun by preachers from the pulpit. Including the revolutionary war. We have tried to silence Americans simply because their chosen profession is to follow God and because they speak in a church or synogogue rather than on a bandstand or the steps of a state house. It’s completely unconstitutional. I just wish every priest, minister and rabbi would start preaching politics so we could challenge Johnson’s ammendment all the way to the Supreme Court and finally put it behind us. Here’s a good page on how the whole thing started.

firebuilders.org/JAmCEC.htm

It also seems that people in this country have the mistaken notion that the first ammendment protects government from religion rather than protecting religion from government.

Sorry to get so political but when I hear “right-wing” or “extremist” applied to the faith it really frosts me.
 
Sorry to get so political but when I hear “right-wing” or “extremist” applied to the faith it really frosts me.
Hi sail1993. If I may be so bold, I think you’ll get along better here if you read others’ posts more carefully. SpiritMeadow didn’t say that the Catholic faith is “extreme right wing”, at least not on this thread. She said that the Catholic Answers Forum is “extreme right wing”. (I disagree with her, as you already know, but that doesn’t mean we should start putting words in her mouth.)

As far as my statement that CAF is “right wing”, I’m sorry if you’re offended, but the truth doesn’t change just because someone’s offended by it.
 
Why did I come?

Pure curiousity and fascination!

To be more detailed, I’ve studied and looked into the Catholic church almost all my life; when I was a kid, everything I knew about the RCC I learned from reading Chick tracts. For those who don’t know what they are, they’re great tools for evangelising non-Christians but are so nice to Catholics. But, the books were like comic books, so I poured into them.

As I grew older, my research became less dependent on just one or few sources; I only got to meet a few Catholics in person, and only a couple didn’t seem nearly scared to death to discuss thier beliefs in a predominately-Protestant town.
So, right now, I’m on the fence in my beliefs toward the RCC.

Here, I’ll get to meet RCC’s who perhaps find it easier to profess thier beliefs online than in person. We may never completely agree with each other, but maybe you and I can learn from each other (or try to) and be True Brothers and Sisters In Christ. Worth a shot!
CA has a section on Chick tracts that you might find worth reading.
catholic.com/library/sr_chick_tracts_p1.asp
 
WHY AM I INVOLVED IN THIS CATHOLIC FORUM?
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 Wow! Somedays I wonder that myself, especially when I am pressured by other chores but spend time here instead. I am hooked, at least for the time being.

  To begin with, I am very interested in ecumenism, understanding among Christians. I am a 'big tent' Protestant, ready to respect various views, though somewhat alienated by those Catholics and evangelical Protestants who insist on 'one way' - their way. I really don't believe that any religion has more than a small bit of the deeper spiritual truth, as we live in such a mammoth, majestic, magnificent, and mysterious universe. We all need to be humble when we realize this. We're like ants trying to understand and explain a piano.

  There are other reasons, too. My paternal ancestors were Catholics - one ancestral uncle was Archbishop in the province of Quebec - and from childhood days there was busy conversation within the family circle about differences between Catholicism and Protestantism. My particular branch of the family had left Catholicism and become French-speaking Baptists, a fairly rare breed. On my mother's side, her family had become Huguenots in Belgium several centuries ago and had to flee to England where they became part of the Puritan immigration to early New England. My interest was generated by such history and more. Our neighbors were mainly Catholics when we were children, and we had a rather pronounced rivalry between the local public and parochial school - the latter now closed. Kids can be quite vociferous (and intolerant and ignorant) when it comes to such rivalries, often reflecting the bigotry of their parents.

  Then, there is the matter of being interested in all religions, and trying to keep up with them. At one point I taught a college course for several years in Comparative Religions, and this interest (and curiosity) continues. For example, I also follow sects among Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, etc., - and have visited their centers in such places as India, China, Japan, Korea, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, etc. And, of course, I have visited such Catholic centers as Rome and Warsaw, such Orthodox centers as Athens and St. Petersburg, and made four trips to sacred sites in the Holy Land.

   I have chosen liberal Protestantism, a mild form of Christianity which allows and even encourages individual thinking when it comes to Biblical interpretation and doctrines. Denomination means little to me, though I feel most comfortable in those local churches (mostly Methodist, Congregationalist, Baptist, Disciples of Christ, Presbyterian) which are open-minded on theology and not too liturgical. That's my taste, and I know and respect the fact that millions of others prefer creedal faiths and more liturgy. I love the Quakers, but they simply have too little liturgy for me. I enjoy vigorous gospel hymns, for one thing. 

  Probably I've told readers more than they care to know. I believe in God the creator, Christ as my Lord, the spirit of the Divine in and around us, eternal life (in some form), etc. I do have trouble with ancient creeds, staid prayerbook worship, and churches that insist, for example (as reported in scripture), that God commanded Saul to kill every last Amalekite. Sorry, but that's a god that I could never worship. More like Hitler than my God of love. There is much in the Bible that could trouble me if I were a literalist, but I'm not.

  Back to my main point. I believe that religion should be a bridge and not a barrier. Sad that it has been the source of so much arrogance and prejudice - yes, even today - and too often I see this reflected in postings here.
 
Hey all!

I’m new here (found and joined today). I’m not Catholic, but decided to join the forum…

Interested in learning why the RCC believe what they believe.

Who Mary is and was?
Praying to the Saints
The RCC definition and view on Saints (where they get it from)
Why communion is literal and actual?
Why RCC believes that we must maintain our salvation?
Why RCC believes that salvation is obtained through faith and works?
Why RCC believe Peter is the first “Pope” and founder of the RCC?
Does the RCC believe that a Christian much be Catholic in order to be saved?

Just a few of my questions I have about the RCC. I’m looking forward to learning as I meet some of you.

Blessings!
 
What drew you to participate on a Catholic forum instead of one from your own denomination, or of another denomination, like Mormon, Buddhist, Muslim, etc.??
My husband is Catholic and I don’t really have a denomination of my own. I feel that Christians should not be separated by their religion/ denomination.
 
Perhaps they’re looking for truth–that source of absolute truth–Catholicism.
 
We I never understood that it was off limits for me to go and have dialog in the non-Catholic religions section. You see, “Non Catholic Religions” is a headline for the topics discussed in this section… you get it? In all actuality you can be whereever you want on these boards and speak your mind… just as long as you stay on topic.

Now that you have seen that you have misunderstood the purpose of head lines, maybe I and my brothers will be less of an annoyance to you when you see us all over the place…
Just to be clear on this my dear GraceDK, my reason for asking the question was in no way intended to be hostile but rather just to find out what your motivaion is.

Since I have many Roman Catholic family members including a cousin who is a priest, I have developed a very thick skin regarding these matters and sometimes I don’t consider that others don’t also have said thick hide.

Jon
 
Two reasons.
  1. To understand Catholicsm in a better way.
  2. To share the truth of the Bible with Catholics.
 
Just to be clear on this my dear GraceDK, my reason for asking the question was in no way intended to be hostile but rather just to find out what your motivaion is.

Since I have many Roman Catholic family members including a cousin who is a priest, I have developed a very thick skin regarding these matters and sometimes I don’t consider that others don’t also have said thick hide.

Jon
Jon,
I have “thick hide” too… Sometimes I just answer in the same tone as the one that was directed at me…
You are lucky to have many Catholics in your family. I dont. I only have very few… my sister and her husband who became Catholics like I did…
I grew up in a Lutheran home. At any rate, we all get along pretty good… though they do think I am a bit too fundamentalist and for a while they were tired of listening to Jesus-did this, and Jesus-did-that… I guess you know how it is when you meet Jesus and He becomes your personal Saviour and everything in life changes… everything becomes small next to Him.
By the way… thats why I am here… I speak to Jews, Muslims, Evangelicals and fellow Catholics … always to convey something where I think I might enrich the discussion or give advice. Its that simple. I enjoy it.
When I met Jesus He said: “Be one, I am grieved that you have divided yourselves under My Holy Name”. He then put unity on my heart and brought me to many different Christians and people of different faiths and no faith at all so i could speak with them about what God has done for me, and pray for them…

Peace to you Jon…
 
Well we are not welcome to your church! I served in a Catholic Church and I never felt so unwelcomed in my life. I have 5 Children and they were forbidden to go to the youth. I couldn’t get people to smile at me. I started coming to this site while I was attending a Catholic Church. And then I seen Catholics bashing Protestants on this site and wondered
'How can people say they have the real presence of Jesus and be so mean?" Jesus said you will know them by the fruit they bear. Well I’m still waiting. People are nice as long as you agree, but as soon as you don’t they let you have it. So I went back to my Protestant Church with lots of Hugs and Kisses. I really don’t know how long I will be on this site.
I dont think its fair to judge a Church by individuals. There will always be some bad fruit on a perfectly good tree. We are not the Church, we are members of this Church.

Every place of worship has good and bad even back in the days of Christ. We are not perfect but should be striving for perfection or close to, which of course is hard to do givin our natural ability to do our our will above God’s… I can go to several different Catholic Churches and find some welcoming and some not, some orthodox, some not…

You expect ALL Catholics to act a certain way? Than I suppose that ALL Baptists act a certain way and ALL Lutherans act a certain way, how about all grandma’s, do they act a certain way and store owners? do they act a certain way? the list goes on.

I wish all Catholics would actually be truely Catholic but the fact is, they are not and for that I am sorry. Some don’t believe in the true presence, they are Catholic because the parents were Catholic and they just fell in line. Some are Catholic and are never catechized. We are coming back to teaching truth that has been led astray for so many years!

We all have different vices and different gifts, that’s what makes us unique. It’s how we choose to use the gifts that matters no matter what faith you are in.
 
Jon,

You are lucky to have many Catholics in your family. I dont. I only have very few… my sister and her husband who became Catholics like I did…
Maybe we can work out some kind of trade?
I grew up in a Lutheran home. At any rate, we all get along pretty good… though they do think I am a bit too fundamentalist and for a while they were tired of listening to Jesus-did this, and Jesus-did-that… …
I was a member of a Lutheran Church for about 5 years. This was an ELCA group and was very liberal. Not all Lutheran Churches are Liberal though. It does make for some differences in what various Lutherans believe. I left that church for something a little more Bible based.

I don’t use the term “sola Scripture” to define my beliefs but that essentially describes it. I like to say that I’m a Bible believing Christian. I take the God of the Bible at His word and will let the chips fall where they may. If it is not in the Bible though, it better be compatable with what the Bible teaches. However, I’m a firm believer in freedom of religion and thought. While not a strict Calvinist, I do believe that only the elect of God will trust in Him. The only thing is as a sinner, I have no way of knowing who is elect so I tend to share my faith to anyone who will listen and leave the rest up to my Heavenly Father.

Incidentially GraceDK, I generally spend about 1 or more hours per day in Bible study. But in addition to that, I really love to read big boring theology books and church history. I have to say that in the 30+ years of reading the Bible and studying theology I still have not made up my mind as to where I stand while comparing Calvin with Arminius.
I guess you know how it is when you meet Jesus and He becomes your personal Saviour and everything in life changes… everything becomes small next to Him…
We are in agreement my dear.

Jon
 
I dont think its fair to judge a Church by individuals. There will always be some bad fruit on a perfectly good tree. We are not the Church, we are members of this Church.

Every place of worship has good and bad even back in the days of Christ. We are not perfect but should be striving for perfection or close to, which of course is hard to do givin our natural ability to do our our will above God’s… I can go to several different Catholic Churches and find some welcoming and some not, some orthodox, some not…

You expect ALL Catholics to act a certain way? Than I suppose that ALL Baptists act a certain way and ALL Lutherans act a certain way, how about all grandma’s, do they act a certain way and store owners? do they act a certain way? the list goes on.

I wish all Catholics would actually be truely Catholic but the fact is, they are not and for that I am sorry. Some don’t believe in the true presence, they are Catholic because the parents were Catholic and they just fell in line. Some are Catholic and are never catechized. We are coming back to teaching truth that has been led astray for so many years!

We all have different vices and different gifts, that’s what makes us unique. It’s how we choose to use the gifts that matters no matter what faith you are in.
I have found the Catholic attitude toward potential converts to be fairly simliar to the Jewish attitude. They certainly don’t try to talk you out of it, but might stop just short of actively discouraging you.

I haven’t found this attitude that troublesome, though. Becoming Catholic is a serious commitment, involving many lifelong responsibilities. One should be doing it for God, not for “the perks”, if that makes any sense. I actually find the fact that most Mass attendees are more focused on worship than on socializing a refreshing change from the usual Protestant love fests.
 
Perhaps they’re looking for truth–that source of absolute truth–Catholicism.
Or examining the beliefs of Catholicism other than attending Mass and reading the catechism. There certainly is truth in Catholicism, but the truth has been clouded by particular innovations and until such issues are resolved, I’ll continue to be part of the Lutheran faith. In addition, my participation/reading of threads on this forum has become quite habitual.
 
Maybe we can work out some kind of trade?

I was a member of a Lutheran Church for about 5 years. This was an ELCA group and was very liberal. Not all Lutheran Churches are Liberal though. It does make for some differences in what various Lutherans believe. I left that church for something a little more Bible based.

I don’t use the term “sola Scripture” to define my beliefs but that essentially describes it. I like to say that I’m a Bible believing Christian. I take the God of the Bible at His word and will let the chips fall where they may. If it is not in the Bible though, it better be compatable with what the Bible teaches. However, I’m a firm believer in freedom of religion and thought. While not a strict Calvinist, I do believe that only the elect of God will trust in Him. The only thing is as a sinner, I have no way of knowing who is elect so I tend to share my faith to anyone who will listen and leave the rest up to my Heavenly Father.

Incidentially GraceDK, I generally spend about 1 or more hours per day in Bible study. But in addition to that, I really love to read big boring theology books and church history. I have to say that in the 30+ years of reading the Bible and studying theology I still have not made up my mind as to where I stand while comparing Calvin with Arminius.

We are in agreement my dear.

Jon
Hey Jon.
You are right… not all lutherans are Liberal… but… I just haven’t really met any real lutherans till this day, well maybe one or two. The ones who were most conservative were still liberal in my eyes to some extent and more importantly, did not really live according to Luthers teachings. The Lutheran church in Denmark is an absolute joke… some pastors even bless homosexual “marriages” in their churches, many many think abortion is totally okay, some happily remarry people as many times as they want etc. especially the pastors who are most in the media are totally ridiculous… they say anything to tickle the ears, there was one pastor who is even a proclaimed atheist… agh… its a depressing situation.

As for Bible believing… I have always thought it was somewhat an offence when evangelicals call themselves “Bible believing Christians”. Because if you are a Christian you are Bible believing per se. So, with the word you say that many Christians dont believe in the Bible, but thats nonsense. I believe its yet another term that has been made to put a vegde between some evangelicals and the rest of the Christian traditional churches.

For me growing up I believed that the Bible was only source of truth, but I read it as a person who did not have any desire to follow truth… actually I did not know Truth personally, and He had not yet revealed His Personal invitation for me to become His intimate friend.
When I started reading the Bible with seriousness I had been met by Christ and I found that the Catholic Church is the only one that deals with all Scriture verses and not selects a few and leaves the rest. The Catholic Church was the only one to explain certain Scripture and make sense out of it… everything from covenant history to the verses about Peter…
Now as I read the Bible I find the Sola Scriptura principle inconsistent with logic ( a person who describes the reasons for this in a most brilliant fashion is former evangelical Mark Shea in “By what Authority?”). Like Tertullian, Irenaeus and Vincent of Lerins said about holy Scripture: “The same statements are interpreted in one way by one person and in another way by some someone else, with the result that there seems to be as many opinions as there are people… therefore on the account of of the number and variety of errors there is a need for someone to lay down a rule of interpretation of the prophets and apostles in such a way that is directed by the Catholic Church”.

Anyway… this is getting long… 🙂
 
Originally, I flirted with the idea of conversion to Catholicism, but as my religious profile states, that did not happen. Overall, I find the dialogue between Catholics and non-Catholics here worthwhile reading and constructive in establishing our similarities even when we have disagreements.
Q. for you. How does a person come to know that he/she will be in heaven upon death?
 
GETTING TO HEAVEN
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Getting to heaven? Well, I'm not at all sure what heaven is like, and probably like nothing our finite minds can imagine or understand. But I expect to be there.

 Why? First off, the grace of God - the merciful, loving God. That's the principal answer. It certainly has nothing to do with my church connection. I'm sure that God is far more interested in our hearts than our theology. Theologians, despite their good intentions, are probably like ants trying to understand a piano.

  Remember when Jesus was asked how someone could enter heaven? He didn't mention a single doctrine in response. He said to love God and love our neighbor. When he was asked who is our neighbor, he told the story of the Good Samaritan, a man detested by the Jews because of Samaritan 'heresies' but who stopped to help a mugged Jew after a priest and Levite passed him by! 

 These people, whether Catholic or evangelical Protestant or Muslim, who pompously claim that their way to heaven is the only sure way may not get there. I don't know, of course, but I suspect that spiritual arrogance and holier-than-thou could be a barrier. Maybe they just have to spend more time in purgatory. Now - sorry - but I don't believe in either purgatory or hell. Certainly my God wouldn't condemn people to everlasting torture - or even burning for a little while. That would be worse than waterboarding, and I have enough trouble with that. Maybe the really 'bad people" (e. g., Hitler and Himmler) just die, and that's it!
 
GETTING TO HEAVEN
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Getting to heaven? Well, I'm not at all sure what heaven is like, and probably like nothing our finite minds can imagine or understand. But I expect to be there.

 Why? First off, the grace of God - the merciful, loving God. That's the principal answer. It certainly has nothing to do with my church connection. I'm sure that God is far more interested in our hearts than our theology. Theologians, despite their good intentions, are probably like ants trying to understand a piano.

  Remember when Jesus was asked how someone could enter heaven? He didn't mention a single doctrine in response. He said to love God and love our neighbor. When he was asked who is our neighbor, he told the story of the Good Samaritan, a man detested by the Jews because of Samaritan 'heresies' but who stopped to help a mugged Jew after a priest and Levite passed him by! 

 These people, whether Catholic or evangelical Protestant or Muslim, who pompously claim that their way to heaven is the only sure way may not get there. I don't know, of course, but I suspect that spiritual arrogance and holier-than-thou could be a barrier. Maybe they just have to spend more time in purgatory. Now - sorry - but I don't believe in either purgatory or hell. Certainly my God wouldn't condemn people to everlasting torture - or even burning for a little while. That would be worse than waterboarding, and I have enough trouble with that. Maybe the really 'bad people" (e. g., Hitler and Himmler) just die, and that's it!
Why don’t you believe in hell?

Curiously,
Mick
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