Protestants, why do you protest?

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This issue of the non-recognition of marriages outside of their own sacramental practices is a deal-breaker for many people. That to me is the core difficulty here.
I can tell you without a shadow of hesitation that “marriage” existed before the RCC or the Lutheran Church was ever thought of.
For the RCC or any church to claim “marriage” as their exclusive domain of “sacrament” is just ludicrous to any thinking person.
 
This issue of the non-recognition of marriages outside of their own sacramental practices is a deal-breaker for many people. That to me is the core difficulty here.
I’m not sure what this has to do with my post but I’ll bite. The core difficulty is the non-recognition of marriages? The core difficulty of what? And what “marriages” are not recognized that you believe should be?
 
I can tell without a shadow of hesitation that “marriage” existed before the RCC or the Lutheran Church was ever thought of.
For the RCC or any church to claim “marriage” as their exclusive domain of “sacrament” is just ludicrous to any thinking person.
Who told you that the Catholic Church does not recognize marriage outside of the Church or that Catholics believe that marriage didn’t exist prior to the RCC? The Church does not “marry” the people. This is a sacrament given from one spouse to the other and becomes valid upon consumation of the sexual act. The Church is only a witness, however, outside of the Church, the sacramental value is absent. It does not mean that there isn’t significant value and validity to the marriage. But you can’t expect to receive the sacrament if you don’t believe in it to begin with.
 
Who told you that the Catholic Church does not recognize marriage outside of the Church or that Catholics believe that marriage didn’t exist prior to the RCC? The Church does not “marry” the people. This is a sacrament given from one spouse to the other and becomes valid upon consumation of the sexual act. The Church is only a witness, however, outside of the Church, the sacramental value is absent. It does not mean that there isn’t significant value and validity to the marriage. But you can’t expect to receive the sacrament if you don’t believe in it to begin with.
My parents were banned from both the RCC and the Lutheran Church because they married outside of the blessing and unction of their respective churches and so were essentially living in a state of continual sin. It seems I know more about RCC dogma than you do.
 
I’m not sure what this has to do with my post but I’ll bite. The core difficulty is the non-recognition of marriages? The core difficulty of what? And what “marriages” are not recognized that you believe should be?
I meant in that other poster’s story of his parents.

I think that the RCC should recognize–without need for “conversion”–any sanctioned Christian marriage. The partners should be eligible as full members and be welcome to take communion. That is what I think.
 
My parents were banned from both the RCC and the Lutheran Church because they married outside of the blessing and unction of their respective churches and so were essentially living in a state of continual sin. It seems I know more about RCC dogma than you do.
I doubt that, but you never know. As for the specific instance of your parents I’m positive that you know more than I. As I don’t know the specifics I won’t comment. My statements were intended in a more general sense. I do know that the Catholic Church allows marriage between different faiths, though it may recommend against it for practical reasons. Not sure about the Lutherans.
 
I doubt that, but you never know. As for the specific instance of your parents I’m positive that you know more than I. As I don’t know the specifics I won’t comment. My statements were intended in a more general sense. I do know that the Catholic Church allows marriage between different faiths, though it may recommend against it for practical reasons. Not sure about the Lutherans.
I was married in a Catholic church, but no one could receive communion because I was Protestant.
 
I doubt that, but you never know. As for the specific instance of your parents I’m positive that you know more than I. As I don’t know the specifics I won’t comment. My statements were intended in a more general sense. I do know that the Catholic Church allows marriage between different faiths, though it may recommend against it for practical reasons. Not sure about the Lutherans.
I am not sure what the current status of this ruling is. I know at that time, the early 20’s, the RCC did not allow marriage outside the RCC.
 
I am not sure what the current status of this ruling is. I know at that time, the early 20’s, the RCC did not allow marriage outside the RCC.
I was wondering about that - The time frame I mean. Much has changed in how Catholics and Protestants view each other since then.

Peace
James
 
I was wondering about that - The time frame I mean. Much has changed in how Catholics and Protestants view each other since then.

Peace
James
That is the real problem Protestants have with the RCC. Every ruling is inspired dogma until it is shown to be ridiculous, un-workable, or just downright unbiblical then it changes to some other inspired dogma.

as in the book 1984, “no we are at war with the west, the east are our allies now.”

How can anybody be a member of such a church is beyond me.
 
That is the real problem Protestants have with the RCC. Every ruling is inspired dogma until it is shown to be ridiculous, un-workable, or just downright unbiblical then it changes to some other inspired dogma.

as in the book 1984, “no we are at war with the west, the east are our allies now.”

How can anybody be a member of such a church is beyond me.
That’s because you don’t know what you’re talking about. What the Church teaches, and what you THINK it teaches, are two very different things.

Since you have claimed some teachings are un-biblical, could you please expound on them? I think quite a few of your objections to Catholic teaching would evaporate when you find out the true teaching, and/or the reasoning behind them.
 
Unfortunately, our Church is made up of human beings who sometimes fail in charity.

another statement made by Catholics that tries to play it both ways.

ON the one hand they say priests are specially endowed to pass grace and truth from God to all men but when those same people fail miserably and sometimes live lives so debauched and wicked the government has to step in and file charges, the RCC says “well you know, they are just men and they fail.”

whoo, talk about 1984 doublethink!!!

the ability to hold two contradictory ideas in your head at the same time and hold them both to be equally valid is a sign of insanity OR being a member of the RCC.
Could you please point me to the denomination/church that has perfect behavior from its clergy and members? I would love to learn more about them.
 
I meant in that other poster’s story of his parents.

I think that the RCC should recognize–without need for “conversion”–any sanctioned Christian marriage. The partners should be eligible as full members and be welcome to take communion. That is what I think.
Those of other Christian faiths can be married to a Catholic in the Church (I was). But I fully understood why I was not allowed to partake in Communion, b/c I was not a member of the Church, and the Church reserves that for those who are full members in a state of grace. Just about every church and denomination has some beliefs and requirements that must be held to be considered a full member of the denomination. A good example, if a Catholic were to join the Baptist denomination, they would not be considered “baptized” b/c they had been baptized as an infant, and they had not been fully submerged. They would require you be baptized again.
 
Could you please point me to the denomination/church that has perfect behavior from its clergy and members? I would love to learn more about them.
only the RCC claims to have clergy that speak in the place of God in an inspired sinless way.
 
"Since you have claimed some teachings are un-biblical, could you please expound on them? "

I have in other threads, I suggest a search on my ID.
Answers I have received have included such things as “its tradition” “its implicit in the passage”. I especially loved that one to prove one particular dogma. I can say anything is “implicit in the passage”.

very weak answers when Protestants want to see scripture and not the musings of men.
I hold my own pastor to the same standard.
 
Those of other Christian faiths can be married to a Catholic in the Church (I was). But I fully understood why I was not allowed to partake in Communion, b/c I was not a member of the Church, and the Church reserves that for those who are full members in a state of grace. Just about every church and denomination has some beliefs and requirements that must be held to be considered a full member of the denomination. A good example, if a Catholic were to join the Baptist denomination, they would not be considered “baptized” b/c they had been baptized as an infant, and they had not been fully submerged. They would require you be baptized again.
Not so I joined a Baptist Church in the 70’s and was not required to do so.
 
Those of other Christian faiths can be married to a Catholic in the Church (I was). But I fully understood why I was not allowed to partake in Communion, b/c I was not a member of the Church, and the Church reserves that for those who are full members in a state of grace. Just about every church and denomination has some beliefs and requirements that must be held to be considered a full member of the denomination. A good example, if a Catholic were to join the Baptist denomination, they would not be considered “baptized” b/c they had been baptized as an infant, and they had not been fully submerged. They would require you be baptized again.
I “understood” too. I agreed to it. But my wife and all her family members were denied Mass, and I thought that that was unfortunate and unnecessary. If I were in charge, I would not do it that way. That was all I was saying, in response to the question asked here.
 
only the RCC claims to have clergy that speak in the place of God in an inspired sinless way.
could you provide your evidence from the catechisms or canon. As per catechism 1550,
“The presence of Christ in the minister is not to be understood as it the latter were preserved from all human weaknesses, the spirit of domination, error, even sin.” The catechism continues with how the minister’s sin can not impede the fruit of the grace in the sacraments.

If you are talking about the Pope and infallibility, please read the catechisms around 891. Before and after. Most protestants have a horrible understanding of this teaching. Reading the catechism should help put it in perspective.

Fr.Mark
 
Not so I joined a Baptist Church in the 70’s and was not required to do so.
Which Baptist Church? I was a Baptist for almost 40 years and a pastor. Catholics baptism or any infant baptism was rejected. Any form other than full immersion was rejected.

Now inthe 70’s the Baptist Church had many problems and a power struggle between liberals and conservatives. I know many strange doctrines, per conservative baptists, were creeping into the baptist church.

Also, there are about as many types of baptists as there are leaves on a tree.

Fr.Mark
 
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