Protestants: Why don't you follow his command? "Eat My Flesh and Drink My Blood"

[Mickey]

ruzz:

any early Christian who believed the in the metaphor of Christ in the bread was labeled a heretic and driven underground.

Some basic research will reveal to you some of the other fanatical and false beliefs these early heretics adhered to.

ruzz:

I have never heard of Zwingli and therefore he/she has no influence on my interpretation of scripture.

That’s interesting. Well, now you know that you have come to the same interpretation as Zwingli. Ever wonder why there are so many different divisions of protestantism? Ever wonder why so many protestant churches have developed contradictory interpretations of Scripture. It is because they are self-interpreting.

ruzz:

However, you likely had teachers who explained this to you at some point to mean real presence.

Yes. My teacher is Scripture–The proper interpretation of it.

ruzz:

It has been said that a person can use scripture to prove aliens are coming to beam us up one day.

I hope this is not one of your beliefs!

ruzz:

A billion people who are unrelated with no central leader read John 6 and don’t come to the same conclusion the early Roman church did 1900 years ago.

This is called relativism. Hence, a billion people are in error and do not know it.

Peace,
Mickey

 

[JoeyWarren]

If I saw evidence that the Apostles were infailable, it might (repeat might) be easier to accept.

Were not the apostles that wrote what we have in the New Testament, infallible when they were writing?

 

[SDAgirl]

JoeyWarren:

Were not the apostles that wrote what we have in the New Testament, infallible when they were writing?

Writing the precepts of Jesus as they were moved by the HS. Not claiming to be infallible in their life.

 

[Mickey]

SDAgirl:

Writing the precepts of Jesus as they were moved by the HS. Not claiming to be infallible in their life.

And neither does any Pope claim to be infallible in his life–only when teaching on matters of faith and morals.

 

[SDAgirl]

Mickey:

And neither does any Pope claim to be infallible in his life–only when teaching on matters of faith and morals.

That’s just one of those things where we have to agree to disagree. The pope says he has the power to forgive sin and to hold the place of God on this earth. I just cant get behind that. No one but God himself has that right. So fallible, infallible, either way if a man makes statements like that, he opens himself up to other questions about doctrine, the Bible, Jesus, etc. Thank you for your polite answers. I actually was not aware that he doesnt clain to be infallible in his life.

 

[Mickey]

SDAgirl:

That’s just one of those things where we have to agree to disagree. The pope says he has the power to forgive sin and to hold the place of God on this earth. I just cant get behind that. No one but God himself has that right. So fallible, infallible, either way if a man makes statements like that, he opens himself up to other questions about doctrine, the Bible, Jesus, etc. Thank you for your polite answers. I actually was not aware that he doesnt clain to be infallible in his life.

Yes. Many people confuse infallibility with impeccability. You would be surprised at the small number of dogmas that have been declared infallible (ex-catherdra)

As far as forgiving sins. This is not a big hurdle. When Christ passed his teaching authority to the Apostles, he gave them the power to forgive and retain sins. The Apostles were acting representatives of Christ. The Catholic Church teaches that our bishops and priests have this same charism through Apostolic Succession called Holy Orders. But remember, we are all called to be acting representatives of Christ. That is why we are also called to confess our sins to one another. The Catholic Church believes in the priesthood of all believers and in the ordained priesthood through Holy Orders. Hope that helps!

Peace,
Mickey

 

[PaulDupre]

SDAgirl:

That’s just one of those things where we have to agree to disagree. The pope says he has the power to forgive sin and to hold the place of God on this earth. I just cant get behind that. No one but God himself has that right. So fallible, infallible, either way if a man makes statements like that, he opens himself up to other questions about doctrine, the Bible, Jesus, etc. Thank you for your polite answers. I actually was not aware that he doesnt clain to be infallible in his life.

No Pope has ever claimed to “hold the place of God on earth”. The Pope is considered to be “the vicar (representitive) of Christ on earth”, not Christ himself.

Also, we believe that only Jesus Christ has power in himself to forgive sin. However, the bible is very clear that He commissioned men to participate in the “ministry of reconciliation” as St. Paul calls it. When the priest pronounces absolution of sins, it it Christ doing the forgiving. What is loosed on earth by those with authority from God is loosed in heaven.

As usual, the SDA leaders are lying to you. Please read the Catechism of the Catholic Church to find out what we really believe.

God bless you,
Paul

 

[JoeyWarren]

SDAgirl, lets stay on topic about the Eucharist.

Start new thread on any topic that is considered outside the scope of the OP. Thanks.

SDAgirl start a new thread on “Papal Infallacy” and start another on the “Power to forgive Sins”

 

[Eden]

ruzz:

I do not think God’s word is coded and that hard to figure out.

But yet you argued that we could prove aliens are coming to beam us up using scriptures. If someone can use scriptures to support this argument, how can you not misuse scriptures in other ways without the guidance of a teaching authority?

 

[Mickey]

Eden:

But yet you argued that we could prove aliens are coming to beam us up using scriptures. If someone can use scriptures to support this argument, how can you not misuse scriptures in other ways without the guidance of a teaching authority?

That is a keen observation, Eden. :yup:

 

[ruzz]

Mickey:

Some basic research will reveal to you some of the other fanatical and false beliefs these early heretics adhered to.

Absolutely. But then again, maybe some babies were thrown out with the bathwater.
Today, some of us read scripture without the influences of pagan (god eating) religions all around us in Rome. We see the meaning of Jesus’ words. 1900 years ago, we would have been labeled heretics and who know what else would have happened to us. We follow Jesus’ commandment to remember the HUGE sacrifice He performed. We don’t eat Him but we do consume Him in ways much much more intimate.

That’s interesting. Well, now you know that you have come to the same interpretation as Zwingli.

Martin Luther believed in the real presence, therefore you share his same opinions.

I really don’t care if someone named Zwingli has the same opinion. Not surprizing that others share my beliefs because when free thought was allowed to flourish, a billion of us thought the same thing with only the same scripture in common. No leader taught us what “NOT TO BELIEVE”.

Ever wonder why there are so many different divisions of protestantism? Ever wonder why so many protestant churches have developed contradictory interpretations of Scripture. It is because they are self-interpreting.

How many divisions are there?
Are we divided on the gospels?
Are we divided on the Eucharist?
Are you One with Orthodox and ultra-traditionalsts who don’t accept the pope since VII?

Yes. My teacher is Scripture–The proper interpretation of it.

Me too. I KNOW scripture is infailable.

Hence, a billion people are in error and do not know it.

That’s what we think too.

I appologize for the quick responses. I do not mean disrespect, but I am merely defending my beliefs as you would if I attacked yours. The title of this thread required a response. That is my only goal.

-Pas Vobiscum

He is ALIVE!

 

[ruzz]

Eden:

But yet you argued that we could prove aliens are coming to beam us up using scriptures. If someone can use scriptures to support this argument, how can you not misuse scriptures in other ways without the guidance of a teaching authority?

Yes, verses of scripture. Not chapters and books.

Scripture in FULL CONTEXT cannot prove aliens will beam you up.

But take verses out of context and you can prove just about anything. Verses were not written to stand alone as many attempt to use them. This was my point. Sorry I didn’t clarify that.

In addition, you cannot take verses from different books and authors and stitch them together to form a doctrine.

-Pax vobiscum

 

[ruzz]

Eden:

If someone can use scriptures to support this argument, how can you not misuse scriptures in other ways without the guidance of a teaching authority?

Before Jesus and Peter, who was the “pope” of the Jews? Who was the single teaching authority of scripture?

-Pax Vobiscum

He is ALIVE!

 

[JSmitty2005]

ruzz:

Before Jesus and Peter, who was the “pope” of the Jews? Who was the single teaching authority of scripture?

-Pax Vobiscum

He is ALIVE!

God’s people have never believe in sola scriptura. They had both the Tradition portion of the Law and Magisterial authority of Moses. BTW, Jesus was not a pope.

 

[Urf]

The Bible says an endless amount of things, some of which contradict each other. Each religion chooses what to consider most important, that’s the way things work.

 

[ruzz]

JSmitty2005:

God’s people have never believe in sola scriptura. They had both the Tradition portion of the Law and Magisterial authority of Moses. BTW, Jesus was not a pope.

I know Jesus wasn’t a “pope”, but I always thought you saw the line of authority that way. Jesus-Peter-Linus…Benedict

“Magisterial authority”?

So what was the name of the man with the authority to interpret scripture for the Jews?

-Pax vobiscum

 

[mrs_abbott]

St.Eric:

Why do you take the scriptires literally on so many other issues and yet on this most important issue, you calim it is now only symbolic?

The ones that take everything literally find cannibalism barbaric and can’t fathom actually eating the Body of Christ and drinking His Blood. Plus, what you see with your eyes is easier to believe. They see bread and wine so that’s what they think it is. They call Catholics liars for saying that it’s the Body and Blood of Christ, despite the scriptures verses you listed on your initial post.

 

[Eden]

ruzz:

Me too. I KNOW scripture is infailable.

I still don’t understand this. Of course scripture is infallible - it is the Word of God.

But when scripture is funnelled through a fallible mind, mistakes regarding matters of faith and morals occur.

Since neither you nor your ministers claim to have the gift of infallibility when reading scriptures, you are accepting that errors of interpretation can and do happen.

What is the benefit of knowing scripture is infallible when your religion is based on erroneous interpretations?

 

[Eden]

ruzz:

Yes, verses of scripture. Not chapters and books.

Scripture in FULL CONTEXT cannot prove aliens will beam you up.

But take verses out of context and you can prove just about anything. Verses were not written to stand alone as many attempt to use them. This was my point. Sorry I didn’t clarify that.

In addition, you cannot take verses from different books and authors and stitch them together to form a doctrine.

This is exactly why Catholics say that Protestantism and “Sola Scriptura” are in error. In other words, scripture without authority leads to the error of Protestantism.

 

[JSmitty2005]

mrs_abbott:

The ones that take everything literally find cannibalism barbaric and can’t fathom actually eating the Body of Christ and drinking His Blood. Plus, what you see with your eyes is easier to believe. They see bread and wine so that’s what they think it is. They call Catholics liars for saying that it’s the Body and Blood of Christ, despite the scriptures verses you listed on your initial post.

The early Christians *were * called cannibals. I find it funny how evangelicals can’t believe in evolution *which has been empirically proven * yet deny the Real Presence because it can’t be empirically proven.