Protestants; why won't you be CATHOLIC!?

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Peter J;5566636]No problem šŸ™‚
šŸ˜› If it was a problem I’d just put my hand through the computer screen and beat you up! šŸ˜›
Well it’s the truth: my religion is Christianity. (I don’t consider Catholicism and Protestantism to be two different religions – which I guess means that I can’t call myself a ā€œtraditionalist Catholicā€. šŸ˜‰ )
I use to think this too! …but I was soon criticized for believing this! :whacky:

I am a methodist / catholic!
I am obviously confused! 😃

It seems that protestants and catholics hate to be mistaken for each other. 😦
 
OR; the commentary is incorrect; you’ll notice two things 1) "versus quoted need to be in correct context:
Hebrews 6:1-8 "1 Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. And this we will do, if God permits. For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and {then} have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance
, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned. "

The word ā€œimpossibleā€ is used in the same context as Hebrews 6:18 ā€œso that by two unchangeable things in which it is* impossible* for God to lie,ā€ Do you agree?

Second, you stated ā€œWhy warn believing Christians against falling away if it can’t happen?ā€ that is a good question. Why would you warn Christians against falling away? Only three possibilities as to who he is addressing…do you agree? A) he is speaking to non-believers or 2) He is talking to believers C) speaking corporately to both believers & non-believers

Lets move away for a minute; to the parable of the sower. Are the first three; those that have the indwelling, then ā€œfall awayā€? Do you see there is a correlation to Hebrews?

Here is Jesus explanation: "Hear then the parable of the sower. "When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil {one} comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road. "The one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no {firm} root in himself, but is {only} temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he falls away. "And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. "And the one on whom seed was sown on the good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit

Before you answer you must ask the question; who can understand the Word; the person with the Holy Spirit - do you agree?

After you have had time to think about these and respond; we can move further onto the point I will make, but we must first establish some basic understandings.
JL: There is no need to jumb through hoops or a maze of semantics, if you have a case state it. The clear fact is those who have once been ENLIGHTENED and have TASTED OF THE HEAVENLY GIFT and have been made PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, and have TASTED THE GOOD WORD OF GOD and the powers of the age to come, and {THEN} HAVE FALLEN AWAY, are born again Holy Spirit filled Christians who fall away, leaving no room for OSAS.

You even know one can fall away as you stated in another thread, in reference to those disciples who walked away from Christ in Jn 6 because they took him literally forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost…&postcount=836

your fourth paragraph down, ā€œI have often wondered … there is no correlation to the two unless you were one of THOSE WHO WALKED AWAY IN UNBELIEF, BECAME AN APOSTATE and started your own cannibal christian churchā€]. We both know you can’t be apostate without first being Christian and falling away. As far as the word IMPOSSIBLE I have not problem with it meaning the same thing in either place you mention.
 
šŸ˜› If it was a problem I’d just put my hand through the computer screen and beat you up! šŸ˜›

I use to think this too! …but I was soon criticized for believing this! :whacky:
You mean you used to think that Christianity is one religion, or you used to think that you couldn’t call yourself a ā€œtraditionalist Catholicā€?

P.S. Sorry couldn’t resist. 😃
 
JL: There is no need to jumb through your hoops or maze of semantics, if you have have a case state it. The clear fact is those who have once been ENLIGHTENED and have TASTED OF THE HEAVENLY GIFT and have been made PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, and have TASTED THE GOOD WORD OF GOD and the powers of the age to come, and {THEN} HAVE FALLEN AWAY, are born again Holy Spirit filled Christians who fail away, leaving no room for OSAS.

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So given the conditions it is virtualy impossible.
 
You mean you used to think that Christianity is one religion, or you used to think that you couldn’t call yourself a ā€œtraditionalist Catholicā€?

P.S. Sorry couldn’t resist. 😃
I was a christian from a methodist church and I knew nothing about catholics so I just assumed that we were exactly the same! But apparently not… We interpritate the bible differently!

Lol… P.S. I’m still waiting to give you a cyber beating! šŸ˜›
 
hello Peter, I wonder if you would kindly define both ā€˜traditional Catholic’
There are two very different types of ā€œtraditional Catholicsā€. There are those who say ā€œYou can’t be more Catholic than the Popeā€ … then there are those who say ā€œWe found a wayā€.
 
There are two very different types of ā€œtraditional Catholicsā€. There are those who say ā€œYou can’t be more Catholic than the Popeā€ … then there are those who say ā€œWe found a wayā€.
What are these people doing to you? Are they saying that you are not a proper Catholic Peter J???🤷
 
P.S. Personally, I think one of the best ways to learn about ā€œtraditionalist Catholicsā€ is to read Paul Nichols’ cartoons.
 
P.S. Personally, I think one of the best ways to learn about ā€œtraditionalist Catholicsā€ is to read Paul Nichols’ cartoons.
This is a Sedevacantist site, they are not traditioanalist catholics-they are not catholics at all. you might as well link to jack Chick cartoons
 
This is a Sedevacantist site
Ah, Sedevacantist … yes, that does make a difference.

Come to think of it, it seems like quite a lot of ā€œtraditionalist Catholicā€ websites have turned out to be sedevacantist.
 
So given the conditions it is virtualy impossible.
JL: I am not sure what you are saying here. I do know OSAS is a minority even among Protestants. [Virtually as an adverb; In efficacy or effect. **Though not really.] According the New Expaned Webster’s Dictionary.

Hb6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, becauseto their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
 
Ah, Sedevacantist … yes, that does make a difference.

Come to think of it, it seems like quite a lot of ā€œtraditionalist Catholicā€ websites have turned out to be sedevacantist.
What is interesting is they all claim that before vatican II the Church taught that you had to belong to the Catholic Church to be saved-they ignore the fact that the infamous fr feeney was excommunicated in 1952 for teaching this.
 
What is interesting is they all claim that before vatican II the Church taught that you had to belong to the Catholic Church to be saved-they ignore the fact that the infamous fr feeney was excommunicated in 1952 for teaching this.
JL: Could you tell me where I can find that info on fr feeney’s excommunication? I think it would be useful.
 
This thread is now closed.

Thanks for your participation.

God bless-

Rachel
 
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