Provide proof that Paul was a liar or delusional

[1loved]

Why not? That almost seems the definition of delusional…

When you add in all of the apostles except John and many, many more of “the Way” who died for exactly the same message the chances of delusion and lying diminish greatly.

1loved

 

[Servant19]

I’d suggest that you’re the one making the most out of assumptions here - for example, I think you’d be pretty hard pushed to establish how/where Paul died to anybody not given to just accepting what some early Christian said on the basis that Christian tradition says he’s the kind of person who should be listened to.

Again, suggesting that Paul was writing a ‘fairy tale’ is not a characterisation of what critics are saying - history isn’t short of people who have had religious insights/visions/leaps of understanding of one sort or another and who have been prepared to face all sorts of consequences for having done so. When people say that they don’t accept what such people believed/wrote, it doesn’t mean that they’re saying that the writers were mad/bad/liars etc, they’re just saying that they don’t accept what they believed/wrote.

That somebody who we have come to know as Paul existed, I think we have to accept, that he wrote/believed in his religious insight, I think we should also accept, that he died somehow and some place is obvious. To non-believers, the rest is wrapped up in a work of literature and what we’re doing is a form of literary criticism.

Hi sister Kaninchen

Do you have any non-Christian examples of these people (from your highlighted post above) please?

Thankyou!

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[eddie_too]

there is no evidence than any of the new testament writers were lying, misled or delusional.

no need, to look or ask for such evidence because such evidence does not exist.

 

[dronald]

there is no evidence than any of the new testament writers were lying, misled or delusional.

no need, to look or ask for such evidence because such evidence does not exist.

I would expect that such a popular group would be given a motive by non-Christians… Especially Muslims.