Psychics, witchcraft, intuitives

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So, what do you think of consulting an “intuitive” for spiritual advice? What about someone who calls themselves a psychic or a wiccan? What’s the difference between these terms, and would you have anything to do with a person who said they were one??
 
It’s a bad idea to consult any of these people. It’s a sin and it’s spiritually dangerous. Don’t do it.

“Consulting” is not the same as “having anything to do with”. One can be socially friendly with/ civil to a person who doesn’t believe the same as oneself. Just don’t get involved with their spirituality. We have had wiccans who post here on the forum, and I’ve met them in real life. It was fine to hang out and have a beer with them at a concert. I probably wouldn’t have agreed to go join them in some ritual they were having in the park during the full moon, nor would I have consulted them about anything to do with my spiritual or personal life.
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If you’re an agnostic, you admit you don’t understand everything spiritual. How can you say for sure that NOTHING these people have to say is legit??
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Jharek used to be Catholic. I’ve been a Catholic my whole life.
God’s more powerful than any psychic/ new age/ wiccan/ whatever you want to stick in here.
 
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Why is it “spiritually dangerous” and “a sin”?

So you’d go out socially with a Wiccan even though you wouldn’t consult one?
 
I’m an agnostic who grew up in a devoutly Catholic family. Why are you as a Catholic recommending anyone consult these individuals or even toying with the idea?
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When did I recommend anything? 🤔
 
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Why is it “spiritually dangerous” and “a sin”?
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Catholic Church Teaching backed up by my personal experience. Kindly respect that. I don’t feel a need to tell you any more.

You seem to be almost promoting psychics and wiccans on here. I hope you didn’t come here with some agenda to do that. Agendas and proselytizing are against the Forum rules.
 
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All these occult practices are of Satan. Do they work? Yes, Satan is real and does perform his parlor tricks. If you think any “enlightenment” comes from God or some other good entity, you are terribly mistaken. It is all Satan.
 
Sorry you don’t like my answer. You’re not entitled to get the kind of answer you want when you ask a question on here.

I’ll be leaving the thread now, have a nice day
 
Glad you get my drift! Good communicating!
 
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So, what do you think of consulting an “intuitive” for spiritual advice? What about someone who calls themselves a psychic or a wiccan? What’s the difference between these terms, and would you have anything to do with a person who said they were one??
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There are a few people (Catholic and non-Catholic, of every background) that seem to be hypersensitive to the spiritual world, but without a conscience guided by objective truth, this charism can easily be misused and the person with these gifts can likewise be easily confused.

All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to “unveil” the future. Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.

All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another’s credulity.

CCC 2116 & 2117

Peace.
 
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So, what do you think of consulting an “intuitive” for spiritual advice? What about someone who calls themselves a psychic or a wiccan? What’s the difference between these terms, and would you have anything to do with a person who said they were one??
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What I think: Don’t do it.

What about…: Keep not doing it.

What’s the difference: No morally significant difference, unless by ‘intuitive’ you simply mean you want to ask your mom her thoughts about your new boyfriend because you’ve learned to trust her intuition on things like this. If you know your mom plans to attempt to ‘intuit’ a message from the spirit world though, don’t ask her to do it, because that would be prompting her to sin, and that’s not loving towards her (and certainly won’t be spiritually helpful for either of you in the long run.)

Would you have anything to do with a person who said they were one?: Sure, I have and will continue to do so. The types of activities involve coffee, polite socializing chat, and attempting to show them the love God has for them in the hopes that they will come home to the Church He built for them.
 
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So, sacraments… nothing magical about that. IMHO, the only difference between the Eucharist and a spell is the number of people who’ve been indoctrinated.
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It is as simple as God or Satan. There is no in-between.

Deuteronomy 30:15-20

Consider that I have set before thee this day life and good, and on the other hand death and evil:
[16] That thou mayst love the Lord thy God, and walk in his ways, and keep his commandments and ceremonies and judgments, and thou mayst live, and he may multiply thee, and bless thee in the land, which thou shalt go in to possess. [17] But if thy heart be turned away, so that thou wilt not hear, and being deceived with error thou adore strange gods, and serve them: [18] I foretell thee this day that thou shalt perish, and shalt remain but a short time in the land, to which thou shalt pass over the Jordan, and shalt go in to possess it. [19] I call heaven and earth to witness this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Choose therefore life, that both thou and thy seed may live: [20] And that thou mayst love the Lord thy God, and obey his voice, and adhere to him (for he is thy life, and the length of thy days,) that thou mayst dwell in the land, for which the Lord swore to thy fathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob that he would give it them.
 
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So, what do you think of consulting an “intuitive” for spiritual advice? What about someone who calls themselves a psychic or a wiccan? What’s the difference between these terms, and would you have anything to do with a person who said they were one??
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No & no on every count. Along time ago in a galaxy far far away, I dabbled in magick. Nothing good will come of it. Trust me. You’re opening yourself up to an entirely different dimension of the universe that are populated by beings/entities that are seeking an open invitation to enter into ours for no good, to turn us away from God & Holy Mother Church. They don’t invade…they are invited.

My standard question to anyone who claims to be a psychic or medium (or anyone who converses with them) is: how do you know that you are psychic and by/through whom is it exactly that you have come about this preternatural knowledge?
 
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So, what do you think of consulting an “intuitive” for spiritual advice? What about someone who calls themselves a psychic or a wiccan? What’s the difference between these terms, and would you have anything to do with a person who said they were one??
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(Oxford Languages)
Wiccan (noun): a form of modern paganism
Psychic (noun): a person considered or claiming to have psychic powers; a medium.
Intuitive (adjective): using or based on what one feels to be true even without conscious reasoning; instinctive.

Matthew 7
15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.
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No. No. Not sure but they all seem to be contrary to the Church and playing in the darkness. If you want spiritual advice, why not look at what the Church fathers had to say or consult a priest?
 
Trying to use psychic or magical power, whether one’s own or someone else’s, to change one’s reality or circumstances goes against the primacy of God in our lives, and is forbidden. For a Catholic, it’s an absolute no-go.

For anyone else, I’d caution really hard against it too, especially magic. I do think some people have some intuitive psychic abilities, but that gift should be used like any other: for the edification of God in our lives. Magic is a power that never comes from God, and therefore only comes from one other source; tampering with anything having to do with that source could have really bad consequences.
 
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I probably wouldn’t have agreed to go join them in some ritual they were having in the park during the full moon,
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I was once invited by a Wiccan friend to a ritual during the summer solstice. I declined.

I was atheist at the time so it was not due to any religious objections.
 
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