Public responses during the Latin Mass

[laudamus_te]

I understand that, its also my understanding that praying the rosary regardless of what your meditating on and how it ties in to the mass is a far inferior form of participation. The highest form, being, the actual saying the prayers of the mass. I guess, I don’t understand how a private devotion could remotely be equal too the prayers the Church has given us for the Mass, specially the Latin Mass.

I do not agree that the meditations on the Sorrowful Mysteries are in any way inferior to the prayers of the Mass. It is not a private devotion in that context. It is another means to the same end, which is contemplation of and participation in Our Lord’s Sacrifice. It is not merely the “saying of the prayers” which glorifies God and produces the fruit. The quote which I provided in a previous post (#31) from a Doctor of Theology explains it quite well.

I am not trying to convince anyone that this is something that they must do, but am only trying to defend what I have found to be a beautiful means of personal participation in the Traditional Latin Mass.

 

[AJV]

I do not agree that the meditations on the Sorrowful Mysteries are in any way inferior to the prayers of the Mass. It is not a private devotion in that context. It is another means to the same end, which is contemplation of and participation in Our Lord’s Sacrifice. It is not merely the “saying of the prayers” which glorifies God and produces the fruit. The quote which I provided in a previous post (#31) from a Doctor of Theology explains it quite well.

The Doctor of Theology does not compare the methods. He merely lists them, and he is also writing in a popular work not a theology manual.

All the methods suffice for obtaining fruit from the Mass. But that does not equate to all the methods being equally profitable. Meditating on the words themselves produces greater fruit *ex opere operantis * because our thoughts and minds are excited to greater contemplation of the explicit act. This is the same reason that many of the theologians used to say there are special Mass formularies .

 

[Lhhs]

Is this public response allowed in the Latin Mass?
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It is forbidden in our area

 

[PrayforMallory]

Little old ladies saying the rosary at Mass! How dare they? What a vile practice!

Those little old ladies lived in a different time, and were constrained by different factors. These days, we have a little something called the Internet, in which any person can immediately have full explanations and summaries of the Mass available to them.

When I see “little old ladies” or whatever that is supposed to mean, praying the Rosary at Mass, I’ll consider all that. In my experience, the congregation can participate just fine. My four year old is learning the Credo.

I’d like to see a “little old lady,” instead of the pantsuiters we have around these days.

 

[Ghoti]

Yep, we all know that the Mass sprang full form from the brow of Aphrodite in the late 60s. All we did was kneel in our pews and say the rosary. Never had an idea of what was going on. And after Mass, we all went to the parish hall to play bingo.

No one understood Latin. Heaven forfend that I should have had all those vocabularly lessons to rival Bill O’Reilly :bigyikes: We were all a bunch of dummies. We sat there in our pews Sunday after Sunday and prayed our rosaries just like Ethelzguy said…the font of all wisdom.

My parents really got ripped off since the Mass was always recited in rote and I had no idea what those Latin words meant. Bill O’Reilly uses those Latin derived words which I have to run and scramble to look up because the Brothers never taught us or never spent a half hour a day on vocabularly lessons. Ethelzguy has spoken. Whip out your rosaries, y’all, it’s time for Mass!!!

It’s about time you admitted it.

brotherhrolf:

PS. I have a bridge across Lake Pontchartrain available for sale - cheap.

We can have our own Faith Community! And I’ll bring the gee-tars. Kum-ba-yaaaa…

I think there may have been some folks who weren’t fully following along. Just as there are today. Altho’ those who don’t fully follow are, since V-II, more likely to just not show up.

There have always been some in the congregation who weren’t totally “with the program”…even at the first Mass (name Judas ring a bell?), and there always will be.

But I agree. You can’t judge… I admit myself that I would look askance at someone praying the Rosary rather than paying attention at Mass, until I realized that:

1. 
   *]if I’m watching someone else, obviously I’m not paying enough attention to what’s going on at the Altar
   *]I was just recently at a thread that cast aspersions on the Catholicity of families with few children attending Mass – and me being an only child of very devout parents
   *]as a Catholic, I really ought not to be judging. Period.
   
   This all being said…there is no way on God’s green earth – barring a personal miracle – that I could pray a devout Rosary **and **properly assist at Mass. There’s not enough Ritalin in the world. I don’t multi-task like that. I hope to go to a Latin Mass someday – the good Lord willin’ and the crick don’t rise – but I pray that there will be some dialogue and that I can follow in the Missal, so that I *can *fully do my duty to assist.

 

[Ghoti]

It’s about time you admitted it.

We can have our own Faith Community! And I’ll bring the gee-tars. Kum-ba-yaaaa…

I think there may have been some folks who weren’t fully following along. Just as there are today. Altho’ those who don’t fully follow are, since V-II, more likely to just not show up.

There have always been some in the congregation who weren’t totally “with the program”…even at the first Mass (name Judas ring a bell?), and there always will be.

But I agree. You can’t judge… I admit myself that I would look askance at someone praying the Rosary rather than paying attention at Mass, until I realized that:

1. 
   *]if I’m watching someone else, obviously I’m not paying enough attention to what’s going on at the Altar
   *]I was just recently at a thread that cast aspersions on the Catholicity of families with few children attending Mass – and me being an only child of very devout parents
   *]as a Catholic, I really ought not to be judging. Period.
   
   This all being said…there is no way on God’s green earth – barring a personal miracle – that I could pray a devout Rosary **and **properly assist at Mass. There’s not enough Ritalin in the world. I don’t multi-task like that. I hope to go to a Latin Mass someday – the good Lord willin’ and the crick don’t rise – but I pray that there will be some dialogue and that I can follow in the Missal, so that I *can *fully do my duty to assist.

 

[ethelzguy]

My four year old is learning the Credo.

Is she learning what it means, or to just recite the words?

 

[PrayforMallory]

Is she learning what it means, or to just recite the words?

Both. Does she grasp the subtle connotations of Latin phrases? No. But she will over time. Her father is a medievalist, so its not as if she can ignore Latin in her life.

I’m reeling from the SSPX situation now, so, a little too depressed to keep up our usual repartee.

 

[Mater]

Maybe “encouraged” to say the rosary, is a bit too strong. But it certainly was very prevalent, and I still see it today among people who grew up with the Latin Mass. I saw quite a bit of it in Ireland in the 1990’s and also men standing outside during the whole Mass until time to receive Communion.

 

[brotherhrolf]

I grew up in a parish in the suburbs of New Orleans in which many of us were Irish-American, many of us were Italian/Sicilian American, many of us were German-American or Franco-American not to mention African American in that the Marsalis family ( Wynton et al) were members of the parish…

Yep, there were little old ladies in black who said their rosaries - they were widowed Italian/Sicilian immigrants who came to Louisiana some sixty or seventy years earlier. It was part of their culture in Italy. My family is Irish and they have been here in Louisiana since before Black '47. I knelt next to my mother after I made my First Communion and you better believe she was not saying the rosary. You better believe she was pointing out the Latin on the left side of the missal and the English on the right. I can see her fingernail to this day. At the end of third grade, I became an altar boy.

I’ve heard about Irish men standing outside church. I’ve seen French and Cajun men doing the same. Neither were of my generation or of my mother’s generation. Seems to be something from my grandparent’s genearation in the 1920s.

I grew up with the Latin Mass and the only time we said the rosary was not in context of the Mass. OLPH novenas on Tuesday evenings with Exposition of the Blessed Sacrament…Stations of the Cross on Fridays - particularly during Lent.

We hear from the exception to the rule but not from the rule.