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I am guessing that statement in the Syllabus of Errors was in response to public schools in countries like France.
 
I tried to send my son to our local parish school…didn’t make the cut. Always a waiting list…limited seats. The number of available seats for this coming fall was particularly short as there were a lot of siblings starting, who always get first dibs. I contacted three other parish schools in the region…all full as well. Its a shame.
There shouldn’t be a question of “didn’t make the cut” for a Catholic who wants to send their children to a Catholic school. I know I say “back in the day” a lot, but darn it, there were a lot of things, in the Church and in society, that were better “back in the day”. Free or nearly-free Catholic education, to the extent it was available — and it was widely available, at the elementary and middle school level if not higher — is one of those things that were better. (Yes, I realize some things “back in the day” weren’t better, in fact, some were far worse, but this is not one of those things.) You had the schools largely staffed by priests and sisters who devoted their lives to teaching, large families that were able to send their children to these schools, and some way, somehow, the education got imparted and the bills got paid.
Of course when I reluctantly went to sign him up at the local public school, I immediately spotted the rainbow flag in the office
Some might tell you this kind of thing isn’t a problem in all public schools. Maybe not, but it sounds like it was definitely a problem in that school.
 
France’s, at least, was tuition-based, unlike our modern system. Which put it out of reach for many.
 
What about colleges? Are Catholics obligated to attend Catholic colleges?
 
France’s, at least, was tuition-based, unlike our modern system. Which put it out of reach for many.
Sorry but I don’t understand what you mean.

Public school system in France, was and still is “free” for the parents. (that’s mean paid by collectivity).

Catholic school system is currently mostly found by the State, and the parents paid a small percentage of all. In olders times public school system was in part managed by religious congregations and even convents (which was more costy).
 
What about colleges? Are Catholics obligated to attend Catholic colleges?
It’s preferred, but obviously not obligatory. Relatively few people have the resources or opportunity to choose Catholic higher education over public or private nonsectarian colleges. I have never heard even the most severely orthodox Catholic priests or teachers — not even SSPX or sedevacantists — tell their parishioners or students that they have to get permission from the Church to attend a secular institution. The mere existence of Newman Centers on many larger secular college campuses should indicate that the Church does not object to Catholic students attending non-Catholic colleges.
 
Thank you so much! That’s good, as I’m enrolled in a non-Catholic college 😂
 
Honestly, if you are looking into the Catholic Faith, the Syllabus if Errors isn’t the place to start.

Also, education across the globe looked much different when that was written than it does today, both Catholic and non-Catholic schools.
 
I imagine its an issue of the expense. It costs a lot of money to open new schools and the demand isn’t being met.
 
Well I actually started a thread on this topic a few months back. There were various factors. There are limited seats, and we didn’t get one. As I explained in the original thread, part of the criteria was based on how many envelopes you had put in the collection plate the previous year. I would consolidate offerings into large periodic cheques, rather than smaller weekly cheques, and that ended up hurting me as they had no proof that my attendance was more regular than the envelopes indicated. I spoke to the priest, who knows me, and he was going to talk to the principal…but I guess at the end of the day they had to award the few seats left based on some objective criteria.
 
Of course schools are expensive. We (the Church) have to figure out how to adapt.
 
There is also the expense of the teachers. Back in the 1940s and 50s, there were many more religious sisters and brothers who would teach for a minimum salary. Now we have to pay the laity to teach and understandably they require a higher salary. This of course drives up the tuition for the family.

Pax
 
“Catholics may approve of the system of educating youth unconnected with Catholic faith and the power of the Church, and which regards the knowledge of merely natural things, and only, or at least primarily, the ends of earthly social life.”
See my response to you in the other thread on religious liberty about what the Syllabus is. This proposition is taken from a letter of Pope Pius IX to the Archbishop of Freiburg. At the time, Liberal governments were taking direct control of all education, and stripping them of their traditional connection to religion and the Church–even seminaries! This is merely condemning this forced education of youth that excludes their supernatural ends and goods and completely excludes the Church.

Two points are implied: a true education must include religious truth and what is good for the soul, and these elements should ultimately be subject to the Church. Catholics when possible should go to a school where both are integrated, but where not possible, the religious truth should be supplemented by parents or the Church and this religious instruction should be subject to the control of the Church, who is the authorized teacher of the faith.

Furthermore, even in schools that do not provide religious instruction per se, Catholics cannot approve of them teaching things contrary to the truth (like bad morals, etc.).

Catholic doctrine is that parents are the primary educators of their children. Civil authority, for the sake of the common good is to aid parents in their responsibility. The Church provides our education in sacred truths revealed by God for our salvation.

Here’s how the Second Vatican Council addressed non-Catholic schools:
  1. Moral and Religious Education in all Schools
Feeling very keenly the weighty responsibility of diligently caring for the moral and religious education of all her children, the Church must be present with her own special affection and help for the great number who are being trained in schools that are not Catholic. This is possible by the witness of the lives of those who teach and direct them, by the apostolic action of their fellow-students,(23) but especially by the ministry of priests and laymen who give them the doctrine of salvation in a way suited to their age and circumstances and provide spiritual aid in every way the times and conditions allow.

The Church reminds parents of the duty that is theirs to arrange and even demand that their children be able to enjoy these aids and advance in their Christian formation to a degree that is abreast of their development in secular subjects. Therefore the Church esteems highly those civil authorities and societies which, bearing in mind the pluralism of contemporary society and respecting religious freedom, assist families so that the education of their children can be imparted in all schools according to the individual moral and religious principles of the families.(24)
 
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There are positives and negatives to public and Catholic schools/colleges.
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Of course when I reluctantly went to sign him up at the local public school, I immediately spotted the rainbow flag in the office…
One of the things I’ve always believed about Catholic schools/colleges is that you’re in a Catholic “bubble,” i.e., you’re there with other Catholics, people with your background and your values. Okay, you won’t have the rainbow flag, you won’t have the child who comes from an LGBT home, but you won’t have the opportunity to be with people with different beliefs, the kinds of people you’ll be living and working with in the real world.
 
One of the things I’ve always believed about Catholic schools/colleges is that you’re in a Catholic “bubble,” i.e., you’re there with other Catholics, people with your background and your values.
This does not reflect the reality of Catholic school demographics. Catholic schools are racially and culturally diverse, although that probably depends on where you live, and about 20% of attendees are not Catholic.
 
Eh, I’d say 80% of my private Catholic college isn’t Catholic. But probably 70% is Christian
 
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