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What does the Catholic Church teach about God giving punishemtns to living people for their sins?
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all you need to do is read the account of king david and his affair with bathsheba.
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catholic1seeks
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**It is a simple fact of life in this world that the “bad” oppress the righteous and bring trouble on them, which is not always a punishment of sin.
The book of Job consists of the key fact that not all suffering is brought on by our sins.
Concerning those who are in the state of forgiveness, one may ask why God allows there to be temperol punishments. Well, it’s really a mystery since Christ’s sufferings are sufficient to cover even the temperol punishments of our sins.
God’s really acting as loving parents act when they want to see their children experience the consequences of their actions. God’s allowing us to learn from our mistakes.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
1472 …Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the “eternal punishment” of sin. On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the “temporal punishment” of sin. These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.83
1473 The forgiveness of sin and restoration of communion with God entail the remission of the eternal punishment of sin, but temporal punishment of sin remains. While patiently bearing sufferings and trials of all kinds and, when the day comes, serenely facing death, the Christian must strive to accept this temporal punishment of sin as a grace. He should strive by works of mercy and charity, as well as by prayer and the various practices of penance, to put off completely the “old man” and to put on the "new man."84
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(CCC 1472 - 1473, Emphasis Added)
The book of Job consists of the key fact that not all suffering is brought on by our sins.
Concerning those who are in the state of forgiveness, one may ask why God allows there to be temperol punishments. Well, it’s really a mystery since Christ’s sufferings are sufficient to cover even the temperol punishments of our sins.
God’s really acting as loving parents act when they want to see their children experience the consequences of their actions. God’s allowing us to learn from our mistakes.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
1472 …Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the “eternal punishment” of sin. On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the “temporal punishment” of sin. These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.83
1473 The forgiveness of sin and restoration of communion with God entail the remission of the eternal punishment of sin, but temporal punishment of sin remains. While patiently bearing sufferings and trials of all kinds and, when the day comes, serenely facing death, the Christian must strive to accept this temporal punishment of sin as a grace. He should strive by works of mercy and charity, as well as by prayer and the various practices of penance, to put off completely the “old man” and to put on the "new man."84
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(CCC 1472 - 1473, Emphasis Added)
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Not sure what you are talking about. There are natural negative consequences to our actions.
Unless you mean this:
(Colossians 1:24)
“Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church…”
Catholics teach that suffering can be redemptive from the standpoint that we are his royal priesthood, and can make sacrifice (in so far as we do abide in Christ), on behalf of ourselves and others. Suffering also purifies us by burning away, if you will, our superficialities and pride.
An alcoholic dying a painful death from liver disease, I suppose, could be seen as punishment for his sin. In a way, though, it is God’s Mercy allowing him to do penance, if you will, through the natural consequences of his actions. I believe we could pray for suffering in reparation for our sins or the sins of others. Some saints have done this. Of course, God would decide whether or not to honor such a request. Most of us have enough troubles.
Innocent children, for example, can offer up their suffering for the sake of others. This is pleasing to God beyond all measure, and a true imitation of Christ.
I just heard Fr. Corapi quote St. Teresa of Avila. The more generous we are in offering our troubles and sufferings to God here on earth, the greater our glory in Heaven. Suffering=Glory.
So, those of us who have lived sinful lives should live lives of penance. Those who have not should, as well, but, it merits them because of their generosity.
What a lovely Faith we have. :angel1:
Unless you mean this:
(Colossians 1:24)
“Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church…”
Catholics teach that suffering can be redemptive from the standpoint that we are his royal priesthood, and can make sacrifice (in so far as we do abide in Christ), on behalf of ourselves and others. Suffering also purifies us by burning away, if you will, our superficialities and pride.
An alcoholic dying a painful death from liver disease, I suppose, could be seen as punishment for his sin. In a way, though, it is God’s Mercy allowing him to do penance, if you will, through the natural consequences of his actions. I believe we could pray for suffering in reparation for our sins or the sins of others. Some saints have done this. Of course, God would decide whether or not to honor such a request. Most of us have enough troubles.
Innocent children, for example, can offer up their suffering for the sake of others. This is pleasing to God beyond all measure, and a true imitation of Christ.
I just heard Fr. Corapi quote St. Teresa of Avila. The more generous we are in offering our troubles and sufferings to God here on earth, the greater our glory in Heaven. Suffering=Glory.
So, those of us who have lived sinful lives should live lives of penance. Those who have not should, as well, but, it merits them because of their generosity.
What a lovely Faith we have. :angel1:
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Perhaps we strive all our lives to pray as Jesus taught, to pray that God’s will be done, not ours and perhaps our striving only finds its fulfillment when we surrender to God at the moment of death. Saints might be able to surrender completely to God’s will, but even for them I think there still remains something held back…until that encounter with God.
All of this, however, should remind you that God does not punish us. If we don’t get something we pray for–even if it is something good like peace in the world–it is not that God does not hear us, or is mad at us, or isn’t listenening to our prayers for one reason or another–No, it is because our prayer should always include, “Your will be done.” We don’t know why Jesus had to suffer and die on the Cross so as to provide means of salvation to all men and women but we simply have to trust in God that he chose the way necessaery for that salvation. If we knew the reason for all unanswered questions we have or the world has, we would no longer be human but rather divine. Perhaps that was the temptation in the Garden of Eden–to know everything with the eyes of God. We are invited instead to TRUST in God, to let him decide what is for our good.
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