Punishments for Sodomy?

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Hi CAF,

What do you think about punishing people who commit homosexual acts? I’ve read that in some places / cultures / times, homosexual acts could be punished with things like beatings and hard labor.

I’m specifically talking about publicly-approved punishments, like what if your national or state government approved such a measure. “If a citizen commits sodomy, that citizen is sentenced to one month’s hard labor in Alaska.”

I’m not talking about individual citizens deciding to punish other individual citizens, i.e. vigilantes, and I’m not talking about capital punishments.

I got into a heated discussion with a family member recently about this. My opinion is that the state might be quite helpful in reforming people. I also admit that people probably don’t want to be reformed and I imagine many people, particularly in the US, would find this idea of state-sanctioned chastisements for sexual things abhorrent. And of course, I see no movement whatsoever in my country (the US) to institute such a thing.

Aren’t punishments sometimes compassionate? For example, isn’t it good for parents to sometimes punish their children for misbehavior? Right now I’m not sure whether punishments are compassionate, but I do think it’s good for parents to sometimes punish children for misbehavior. I would appreciate any corrections or concerns.

Thanks
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Ive been a bit confused on this, Ive read ALL sodomy laws were dumped about a decade ago, and no state in the US sees this as a crime anymore, but then sometimes I see on the news, people are still charged with sodomy 1, 2 or 3…?

Im not sure if its still criminal in public, versus in private, or what.
 
mikekle said:
Ive been a bit confused on this, Ive read ALL sodomy laws were dumped about a decade ago, and no state in the US sees this as a crime anymore, but then sometimes I see on the news, people are still charged with sodomy 1, 2 or 3…?

Im not sure if its still criminal in public, versus in private, or what.
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Perhaps you are hearing about rape cases.
 
:nope: Right now our society needs to focus on showing truth through love. If we are going to start punishing sodomy (point above is valid, how would one know this?), then we also need to start punishing sex outside of marriage.

I think we should be focusing on spreading the truth in ways that will be much more welcoming to people with differing opinions.

Also, your point about parents punishing their kids for misbehaving doesn’t mean that the government should be doing the same thing. Plus, parents need to parent at times by explaining and meeting the child at their level of reasoning, not just grounding them or giving them extra chores.
 
nqes7t9 said:
Hi CAF,

What do you think about punishing people who commit homosexual acts? I’ve read that in some places / cultures / times, homosexual acts could be punished with things like beatings and hard labor.

I’m specifically talking about publicly-approved punishments, like what if your national or state government approved such a measure. “If a citizen commits sodomy, that citizen is sentenced to one month’s hard labor in Alaska.”

I’m not talking about individual citizens deciding to punish other individual citizens, i.e. vigilantes, and I’m not talking about capital punishments.

I got into a heated discussion with a family member recently about this. My opinion is that the state might be quite helpful in reforming people. I also admit that people probably don’t want to be reformed and I imagine many people, particularly in the US, would find this idea of state-sanctioned chastisements for sexual things abhorrent. And of course, I see no movement whatsoever in my country (the US) to institute such a thing.

Aren’t punishments sometimes compassionate? For example, isn’t it good for parents to sometimes punish their children for misbehavior? Right now I’m not sure whether punishments are compassionate, but I do think it’s good for parents to sometimes punish children for misbehavior. I would appreciate any corrections or concerns.

Thanks
n
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Just like with any kind of immoral behavior, when the persuasive force of the morals is still weak among the population, the government has to support the public morality with severe punishments.

In addition to that, the sphere of privacy was not yet as big in the past as it is now. Back then, it was considered, e.g., acceptable for the public officials to search houses under suspicion of adultery, to ensure that your weaving machine is of appropriate quality, etc.

All this is barely imaginable to us, the people raised in the ideology of liberalism, traceable to the 18th century, according to which the free market is the best economic model, and, for the free market to exist, there must be a separation of the private and public spheres, so that no one interferes with your private activities.
 
Sodomy is a sin not a crime. People aren’t punished for adultery, loose morals, cursing or lying ( except under oath ).
 
I honestly think it’s a cruel idea.

First let’s differentiate this sin to another, let’s say stealing, or assault. Gay sex is consensual sex between two people (assuming that both are old enough to give consent). The people who engage in it usually have the desire to be with the same sex, this desire cannot be switched off (I’m not justifying the sin, just stating facts).
Now, with assault for example, it’s not consensual and it hurts the other party/community. Hence it would make sense why assault is a crime, not homosexuality

I don’t think we are in any place to punish people for sodomy. Or pre marital sex. Or for affairs. It’s between the sinner and God.
 
Should this prurient interest in what other people get up to in the privacy of their own bedrooms be punished by the state?
 
truetofaith said:
Sodomy is a sin not a crime. People aren’t punished for adultery, loose morals, cursing or lying ( except under oath ).
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From the Church Canon law perspective, a crime is nothing more than a grave sin committed publicly, so that someone else besides the perpetrator(s) may potentially know about it.
 
nqes7t9 said:
Hi CAF,

What do you think about punishing people who commit homosexual acts? I’ve read that in some places / cultures / times, homosexual acts could be punished with things like beatings and hard labor.

I’m specifically talking about publicly-approved punishments, like what if your national or state government approved such a measure. “If a citizen commits sodomy, that citizen is sentenced to one month’s hard labor in Alaska.”

I’m not talking about individual citizens deciding to punish other individual citizens, i.e. vigilantes, and I’m not talking about capital punishments.

I got into a heated discussion with a family member recently about this. My opinion is that the state might be quite helpful in reforming people. I also admit that people probably don’t want to be reformed and I imagine many people, particularly in the US, would find this idea of state-sanctioned chastisements for sexual things abhorrent. And of course, I see no movement whatsoever in my country (the US) to institute such a thing.

Aren’t punishments sometimes compassionate? For example, isn’t it good for parents to sometimes punish their children for misbehavior? Right now I’m not sure whether punishments are compassionate, but I do think it’s good for parents to sometimes punish children for misbehavior. I would appreciate any corrections or concerns.

Thanks
n
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There used to be laws like that on the books. They didn’t stop what you term sodomy at the time so I doubt they’d be any more effective now. And they were all thrown out or ruled unconstitutional over the last 40 years.
 
mikekle said:
Ive been a bit confused on this, Ive read ALL sodomy laws were dumped about a decade ago, and no state in the US sees this as a crime anymore, but then sometimes I see on the news, people are still charged with sodomy 1, 2 or 3…?

Im not sure if its still criminal in public, versus in private, or what.
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The Supreme Court ruled that such laws are unconstitutional, but some places still have them on the books. Every now and again you might hear about someone being charged with it, but I don’t recall ever hearing of any convictions; even if that happened, it would get thrown out somewhere along the way.
 
nqes7t9 said:
Hi CAF,

What do you think about punishing people who commit homosexual acts? I’ve read that in some places / cultures / times, homosexual acts could be punished with things like beatings and hard labor.

I’m specifically talking about publicly-approved punishments, like what if your national or state government approved such a measure. “If a citizen commits sodomy, that citizen is sentenced to one month’s hard labor in Alaska.”

I’m not talking about individual citizens deciding to punish other individual citizens, i.e. vigilantes, and I’m not talking about capital punishments.

I got into a heated discussion with a family member recently about this. My opinion is that the state might be quite helpful in reforming people. I also admit that people probably don’t want to be reformed and I imagine many people, particularly in the US, would find this idea of state-sanctioned chastisements for sexual things abhorrent. And of course, I see no movement whatsoever in my country (the US) to institute such a thing.

Aren’t punishments sometimes compassionate? For example, isn’t it good for parents to sometimes punish their children for misbehavior? Right now I’m not sure whether punishments are compassionate, but I do think it’s good for parents to sometimes punish children for misbehavior. I would appreciate any corrections or concerns.

Thanks
n
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First let’s hear about your deepest and hardest to fight temptations. Then let’s offer you the same punishment for crossing over to any of them. And then let’s put on merciful faces of woe when we see what a few years of hard labor have managed to ‘teach’ you about God’s love and mercy.

Sorry man. Count my vote as a loud and clear no. Thanks anyway.

Peace.

-Trident
 
Sodomy used to be illegal in the United States not too long ago. I think it would be a good idea to criminalize it.
 
Sorry, but this a horrible and barbaric suggestion. Let’s worry less about what our neighbour is doing and worry more about our own failings.
 
Confiteor_Deo said:
Sodomy used to be illegal in the United States not too long ago. I think it would be a good idea to criminalize it.
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And how do you propose to enforce said laws? And how do those laws mesh with conflicting law that homosexual unions are now legal? And at the very core, what would you classify as sodomy in your criminalization, keeping in mind that oral and anal intercourse are now very much legal and it’s been found to attempt to criminalize them unconstitutional.
 
nqes7t9 said:
Hi CAF,

What do you think about punishing people who commit homosexual acts? I’ve read that in some places / cultures / times, homosexual acts could be punished with things like beatings and hard labor.

I’m specifically talking about publicly-approved punishments, like what if your national or state government approved such a measure. “If a citizen commits sodomy, that citizen is sentenced to one month’s hard labor in Alaska.”

I’m not talking about individual citizens deciding to punish other individual citizens, i.e. vigilantes, and I’m not talking about capital punishments.

I got into a heated discussion with a family member recently about this. My opinion is that the state might be quite helpful in reforming people. I also admit that people probably don’t want to be reformed and I imagine many people, particularly in the US, would find this idea of state-sanctioned chastisements for sexual things abhorrent. And of course, I see no movement whatsoever in my country (the US) to institute such a thing.

Aren’t punishments sometimes compassionate? For example, isn’t it good for parents to sometimes punish their children for misbehavior? Right now I’m not sure whether punishments are compassionate, but I do think it’s good for parents to sometimes punish children for misbehavior. I would appreciate any corrections or concerns.

Thanks
n
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Maybe we should make them wear pink triangles and go into forced labor camps?

Hmmm, who tried that…
 
truetofaith said:
Sodomy is a sin not a crime. People aren’t punished for adultery, loose morals, cursing or lying ( except under oath ).
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In the U.S., currently, unless you are in the military or one of the few states that still has laws for alienation of affection.

This cannot be said of all place, and it certainly cannot be said of the U.S. in the past.
 
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