Purgative, Illuminative, Unitive

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I’m perusing a copy of Spiritual Passages by Fr. Benedict Groeschel, and am surprised to see that he places both the dark night of sense and the night of spirit in the Unitive Way. Everything else I’ve ever read places the night of sense at the start of the Illuminative Way, and the night of spirit at the beginning of the Unitive Way. (See this explanation from EWTN, and The Three Ages of the Spiritual Life for examples.)

In terms of Teresian mansions, I thought the basic chronology was something like this:

Purgative Way: mansions 1-3
Illuminative Way: begins with night of sense, mansions 4-5
Unitive Way: begins with night of spirit, mansions 6-7

Fr. Groeshcel places mansion 4 and both dark nights in the Unitive Way. He does mention an “initial darkenss” that occurs earlier on, but distinguishes this as separate from the other two nights. This confuses me (:confused:) - can someone explain?
 
Bump for interesting question and hopeful for answer. DBT is well read in these matters. Maybe you could IM him from my friends list for an answer, though I haven’t seen him post in a while. Tim
 
Bump for interesting question and hopeful for answer. DBT is well read in these matters. Maybe you could IM him from my friends list for an answer, though I haven’t seen him post in a while. Tim
Hi Tim,

I pm’ed Dave and I hope he responds. Thanks for the bump!
 
I don’t understand what he speaks/writes about either. I understood the prayer chronology as you did, beckycmarie. I’ll be interested to see what answers you get.:confused:
 
My dear friend
I believe there are no concrete rules here incl. the exact order of occurences. This article from the pocket catholic dictionary may help too-

**UNITIVE WAY. **The third and final stage of Christian perfection, beyond the purgative and illuminative. Its principle feature is a more or less constant awareness of God’s presence, and a habitual disposition of conformity to the will of God. Although commonly regarded as the last stage in the spiritual life, it is recognized that the three traditional levels of progress in holiness are not chronological. They may be present, in greater or less degree, at any point in a person’s growth in sanctity.

God bless:)
John
 
Hi Becky –

I’ve been away from these forums for quite some time and just came upon your thread and PM earlier today.

The short answer to your question is “I don’t know” . . . I haven’t read his book. 🙂 That having been said, I have come upon several works over the years that try and explain these things in a way that doesn’t necessarily “fit” the more classic, Carmelite descriptions you provide. For example, this isn’t the first time I’ve heard a theologian describe the unitive way as beginning with the onset of the mystical graces of infused contemplation (St. Teresa’s 4th mansion) much like how you say Fr. Groeshcel describes.

So while I can’t speak to Fathers book, I can briefly mention another work that “seems” to speak from the same point of view. It’s “Prayer” by Hans Urs von Balthasar. Here’s just one example of the type of things he says that sound similar to the point of view you present as representative of Fr. Groeshcel’s thinking:
The cross has significance at all times and at every period of our lives.

We would be wise, therefore, to avoid setting up rigid laws regulating the sequence, the succession of contemplative states – laws which would in any case have only a very general application.

Therefore, as we have already mentioned, the three-state structure of the via purgative-illuminativa-unitiva must only be used with great care. There is no intrinsic contradiction in a Christian being led along paths of sublime union and blissful, nuptial experience of God, and finally dying in what to him feels like God-forsakenness: this could in fact be one of the highest forms of union with the Lord, who ended his earthly existence in a night of the senses and of the spirit.
Now, where does one even begin with all this? Von Balthasar was admittedly one of the greatest spiritual minds of the 20th century; however much of this would “seem” to appear to be at odds with some of the most basic tenents of St. John of the Cross. And to your point he would appear to be placing both the night of sense and spirit in the unitive way, at least in some cases.

While certainly we should not be rigid – the progression of the prayer states of St. Teresa and prayer stages of St. John by their own admission don’t necessarily occur in a linear manner. And certainly we can say Christ died in a state of nakedness of both sense and spirit – a profound “feeling of God-forsakenness.” However, St. John’s nights are really about purification – something Christ obviously did not need. And if we read St. John closely, the “feeling of God-forsakenness” can be characteristic of either night but, in itself, does not comprise the night. Again, what St. John is most concerned about is the personal transformations that occur through the various trials and sufferings we endure through the dark fire of contemplation.

My personal opinion is that Fr. Garrigou-LaGrange (in the link you provided) had a much better explanation to the dilemma of this quote from von Balthasar. He explains that what St. John of the Cross is really teaching is that the trials and sufferings of the night occur in a cyclical and repetitive manner – beginning exteriorly (senses) and becoming progressively more interior (spirit). And central to St. John’s entire teaching is that these nights should be viewed as transitional turning points - the night of sense marking the passage from the purgative to illuminative way and the night of spirit signaling the entrance to the unitive way.

And for some very special souls the cycle of suffering does not end with the onset of the unitive way which sometimes comes across in mystical writings as a state of perpetual bliss and constant heart felt communication with each Person of the Trinity (think Br. Lawrence). Rather, Fr. Garrigou-LaGrange introduces a third night that St. John speaks of in the latter stanzas of “Spiritual Canticle but does not give an actual name.

In “Three Ages” Fr. Garrigou-LaGrange provides an entire chapter on St. Paul of the Cross and his experience of the reparative night. Interestingly, and perhaps useful to the quote from von Balthasar, Father describes how this third night can be mistaken for the night of sense! While by almost any traditional description, St. Paul of the Cross endured the nights of sense and spirit early in his life and had long lived in what could be described as the unitive way. Now, at the end of his life, he found himself struggling mightily with temptations of impatience – a vice typically purified in the first night.

Long story short, the purpose of this third night is that it is redemptive – no longer for the purification of self but for the good of souls. His teaching does much to explain the cyclic sufferings of many saints especially, imo, St. Therese of Liseaux who’s night of sense has been described as her Christmas conversion, night of spirit as her uncle’s denial of permission for entrance into Carmel and reparative night as the trial of faith she endured in her last days. On-going suffering to be sure – and progressively more interior and redemptive over time. But, in classic Carmelite teaching, very different nights occurring at different times in her life each leading her to a deeper stage of union with Christ.

Not sure if any of this helps . . . and no doubt I’m just rambling. 🙂 But hopefully it explains how different theologians can interpret St. John of the Cross in very different ways.

Dave 🙂
 
I appreciate your reply, Dave; it is helpful for me.
My personal opinion is that Fr. Garrigou-LaGrange (in the link you provided) had a much better explanation to the dilemma of this quote from von Balthasar. He explains that what St. John of the Cross is really teaching is that the trials and sufferings of the night occur in a cyclical and repetitive manner – beginning exteriorly (senses) and becoming progressively more interior (spirit).
I’d recently read a little book called Seasons of the Soul by Venerable Concepcion de Armida (“Conchita”). She also explains that the interior life is cyclical, rather than linear:
Conchita takes a more cyclical approach and sees the spiritual life as an ongoing maturation through the various seasons of the year which continuously repeat themselves over and over again until the soul has fulfilled it s purpose here on earth. From the first springtime of the soul until it has weathered its last winter, the Holy Spirit is at work gradually transforming the soul into the image and likeness of Jesus, the Father’s highly beloved and only-begotten Son.
Source: Conchita, Seasons of the Soul
 
I think too, Becky, that many spiritual writers try to square their own personal experience in mystical matters (or lack thereof) with the teachings of the Doctors – to varying degrees of success. But in the best cases, while we see things in their writings that don’t quite “fit” the classic descriptions, somehow, they remain true and faithful to the overall teaching. The reason for this, imo, is that there are different “types” of contemplatives.

In very general terms we can see this in the joyful/consoling contemplation so prevalent in St. Teresa contrasted with the arid/suffering contemplation that St. John so often emphasizes . . . especially in all his discussion of the dark nights. Along those lines, in my own time in Carmel I’ve seen those with a very deep love for St. Teresa but who are scarred witless of St. John. Conversely, some are drawn to the apparent orderliness of St. John and put off by what seems like the scatter-brained thinking of St. Teresa. And personally, when I’m drawn to think with my head, St. John is often my food; when I’m lead by the heart St. Teresa seems a more natural fit.

And Fr. Garrigou-LaGrange has a very good chapter in “Three Ages” that describes how those who are led to the contemplative way via dramatic “Damascus-like” conversion see St. Teresa as their guide while those led by a slow and steady hand gravitate toward St. John. Those with dramatic conversions will often find several of the classic steps or stages were “skipped over” or at least effected by His hand “out of sequence.” However, experience will show that God will always go back and fill in any of the “missing blanks.”

Interestingly von Balthasar has much to say about this too which explains, in part, why I haven’t frequented these forums much lately. He describes how those with dramatic conversions run a great risk of intellectualism citing, of all things, the example of St. Paul’s New Testament writings. The error these souls find themselves faced with is spending their entire lives in a desperate attempt to understand the meaning behind the great favor the Lord bestowed – all the while forgetting what brought them to their knees in the first place. What a wonderful expression of the experience of “night,” I think.

And there’s the “lights on/lights off” interpretation of all this as well. For reasons only He knows, some souls have a profound felt experience of His presence while others don’t. And some seem to have a very clear idea the work God is doing in their interior lives while others are left in the dark, in a manner of speaking. St. Therese of Liseaux (lights off) is the prime example given for this type of interpretation which explains much to me why she seemed to find so little nourishment from St. Teresa – but was described by one of her major biographers as the great disciple of St. John of the Cross.

These are just a few examples that come to mind how personal experience can effect one’s interpretation of the teachings of the mystical Doctors. No doubt there are many other variations on this theme.

Dave 🙂
 
Thanks for bringing this up Becky and thanks Dave for your insight. I have learned alot and often wondered about the sequence of certain stages, often to my own stagnation. Tim
 
I think too, Becky, that many spiritual writers try to square their own personal experience in mystical matters (or lack thereof) with the teachings of the Doctors – to varying degrees of success. But in the best cases, while we see things in their writings that don’t quite “fit” the classic descriptions, somehow, they remain true and faithful to the overall teaching. The reason for this, imo, is that there are different “types” of contemplatives.

In very general terms we can see this in the joyful/consoling contemplation so prevalent in St. Teresa contrasted with the arid/suffering contemplation that St. John so often emphasizes . . . especially in all his discussion of the dark nights. Along those lines, in my own time in Carmel I’ve seen those with a very deep love for St. Teresa but who are scarred witless of St. John. Conversely, some are drawn to the apparent orderliness of St. John and put off by what seems like the scatter-brained thinking of St. Teresa. And personally, when I’m drawn to think with my head, St. John is often my food; when I’m lead by the heart St. Teresa seems a more natural fit.

And Fr. Garrigou-LaGrange has a very good chapter in “Three Ages” that describes how those who are led to the contemplative way via dramatic “Damascus-like” conversion see St. Teresa as their guide while those led by a slow and steady hand gravitate toward St. John. Those with dramatic conversions will often find several of the classic steps or stages were “skipped over” or at least effected by His hand “out of sequence.” However, experience will show that God will always go back and fill in any of the “missing blanks.”

Interestingly von Balthasar has much to say about this too which explains, in part, why I haven’t frequented these forums much lately. He describes how those with dramatic conversions run a great risk of intellectualism citing, of all things, the example of St. Paul’s New Testament writings. The error these souls find themselves faced with is spending their entire lives in a desperate attempt to understand the meaning behind the great favor the Lord bestowed – all the while forgetting what brought them to their knees in the first place. What a wonderful expression of the experience of “night,” I think.

And there’s the “lights on/lights off” interpretation of all this as well. For reasons only He knows, some souls have a profound felt experience of His presence while others don’t. And some seem to have a very clear idea the work God is doing in their interior lives while others are left in the dark, in a manner of speaking. St. Therese of Liseaux (lights off) is the prime example given for this type of interpretation which explains much to me why she seemed to find so little nourishment from St. Teresa – but was described by one of her major biographers as the great disciple of St. John of the Cross.

These are just a few examples that come to mind how personal experience can effect one’s interpretation of the teachings of the mystical Doctors. No doubt there are many other variations on this theme.

Dave 🙂
Thanks Dave. I enjoyed reading your very informatie reply too. Gd bless.👍🙂 John
 
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