?purgatory 101?

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We can all believe what we want to believe that is subjective; but what does the bible say in detail about existence of Purgatory? Did Chirst dies for our sins so we go to Purgatory.

Sometimes this needs to be drawn to the logical conclusion.
 
WOW!
You might not believe this but I just recently acquired a very old prayer card for “Blessed” Brother Andre`.
I looked him up online and discovered that he had been declared a Saint.
It’s fascinating to learn that he felt that way about Purgatory.
If you do find the quote I would be very thankful if you posted it. :getholy:
… Sorry angierabbit2012 - skimmed through the book a couple of times, but no success so far.

However, while looking through several CAF threads from last year on this subject , I came across a link provided by one of our members - (probided by Kontrak ; in post # 20) to an article written by Father Dr. Hubert van Dijk, ORC , entitled THE TEACHING OF ST. THERESE DE LISIEUX ON PURGATORY .

I really like the way St. Therese’s teaching on the subject is presented. She challenges us, as does St. Faustina , to put more trust in God’s Mercy.

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… Sorry angierabbit2012 - skimmed through the book a couple of times, but no success so far.

However, while looking through several CAF threads from last year on this subject , I came across a link provided by one of our members - (probided by Kontrak ; in post # 20) to an article written by Father Dr. Hubert van Dijk, ORC , entitled THE TEACHING OF ST. THERESE DE LISIEUX ON PURGATORY .

I really like the way St. Therese’s teaching on the subject is presented. She challenges us, as does St. Faustina , to put more trust in God’s Mercy.

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**St. Therese’s “doctrine” 🙂
  1. Purgatory became a rule rather than the exception.

    An infinite number of souls who suffer in Purgatory and for whom the Church prays daily after consecration did not need to go there. If we think in human terms, God does not wish for us to need Purgatory. God does not put us here on earth, where we are tested and are suffering after the fall, only to let us suffer again–and much worse–in Purgatory. Everyone receives enough graces in order to go straight to God after passing the trials on earth. However, Purgatory is an emergency entry to Heaven for those who have wasted their time. However, what God considered the exception became the rule, and the rule–to go straight to heaven–became the exception.
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Thank You for the link! 😃

Therese is my Patron Saint, but I had NEVER seen this writing before…Made my day!👋
 
… Surely, there is a Godly reason why Joseph would have died before the Son.
The love in the Holy Family for each other must be well beyond our grasping. It must be the only thing ever on earth that was like Heaven. Maybe only Mary, Full of Grace, could stand that family being torn apart, first losing Joseph, then Jesus to His ministry, and knowing the hate He was bearing, seeing His betrayer at His side, and then of course His horrific death. Perhaps only Mary’s heart, Full of Grace, could take it. Joseph’s could not, so it was God’s Mercy He died sometime before Jesus left for His ministry. Just my thought on that…
 
Hello All! 👋

I am a convert and only came into the Church this past Easter.
Please forgive me if this is a stupid question!! :o
Do you believe that some people spend their PURGATORY
on Earth?

I personally feel that it is a VERY likely possibility.
I DON"T remember this being discussed when I was in RCIA.

THANKS in advance for your insight into this fascinating subject.
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When the belief was under development, some thought that people would return to the place of their own sins, to purge themseloves or be purged or whatever.

But the earliest ideas were that people were sequestered in ‘pockets’ or hidden places awaiting judgment and it was a time of suffering for those who were not quite wicked enough to merit eternal damnation but not quite nice enough to merit heaven as they were. That was the theory, beginning apparently with Saint Augustine.

Then there was the notion of trial by fire. Some people thought that everyone went through this fire, which burns away the dross and leaves the precious. It was like a test everyone, even saints, had to pass through, but for bad people it was much more painful and enduring. At the time some suggested even the Mother of God went through this test, of course she passed with flying colors ;).

Later the idea of galleries full of sinners and big pits with many people in them was the vogue. These people were recognizable to those who saw them in their dreams, and they could talk, explaining what was happening to them and why.

There were a lot of visions and dreams of suffering people appearing to monastics explaining what they were going through and pleading for prayers and alms which would relieve them, which gave a big boost both to the idea of Purgatory and to the idea of giving alms for the benefit of loved ones. They weren’t afraid to name names and point out the sins either, kings like Charlemagne were popular subjects.

By the time Dante wrote his very interesting books (I love them) he was following a well worn tradition of placing noblemen, merchants, clergy, mercenaries and even Popes in Purgatory for one reason or another.

When the final product was rolled out the idea the people would suffer at the places of sin was not included, but I don’t think it was specifically excluded either. Certainly some important and devout Christians did think that purgation as a process did occur on earth after death, and some felt that penances or sufferings in life had the same effect.

I was reading a book by Jacques LeGoff (a French medievalist scholar) on this subject very recently. I was so fascinated by the subject I might check it out again.

🙂
 
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