Purgatory, and one or two points, unsure about

[Karin]

NotWorthy:

I can’t remember the source (maybe a Scott Hahn book) but they way it was presented to me was the Old Testament Covenenants were meant to teach the Hebrews (Israel, Jews) obedience to God’s Will. Everytime they weren’t obedient, they suffered woes (famine, disease, slavery, and loss of the Promised Land to name a few). It was only through obedience, and God’s loving mercy, that they were able to again enjoy God’s presence among them.

In a way, you can see Israel as a “Type” for us. When we sin, we turn away from God, and are thus separated. When we turn back to God, He is there waiting for us with open arms. Jesus taught that, if we love God with all our hearts and all our souls, then we will also be obedient to His Will.

NotWorthy

GOT IT …thank you!!!

 

[aridite]

katt33:

I have been trying to find the words purgatory, immaculate conception, Mary ascending into heaven and pray to saints to intercede (it says only Christ can mediate and intercede and no graven images) and can’t find anything like that or the infallability of the Pope in the bible, so I am unsure where anyone in the Vatican got any of this from. It concerns me, as Churches are not there to invent anything, but simply follow the bible. As a rainsed Catholic, I am simply concerned about not finding in the bible everything that the Catholic church teaches.

I did a search of NRV and the word “Bible” is not in the Bible.

hti.umich.edu/r/rsv/simple.html

So if churches are to only follow the bible, and the bible is not in the bible, the churches are not to only follow the bible? I think there is something wrong with your reasoning.

The Catholic Church did invent (was inspired to write) the Bible. If you want to know what the Bible teaches, you should consult the one community which understands it completely, since Jesus promised to remain with it, and to send His Spirit to lead it into all truth so that the gates of the netherworld would not prevail against it.

I pray that you will stay around to learn.

 

[alexaustralia]

Katt33
If u honestly are seeking understanding of the Catholic faith and want to know what it really is about then do take the time to listen to the following audio

(NOTE: you will need realplayer )
To download go to real.com/player/realplayer_intl.html?lang=en&loc=au&src=realplayer,011404intl_enau_choice

find in orange letters (on that page) “download the free realplayer” and follow instructions

Now

These are the points u want answers for:

1. Pope
2. Purgatory
3. Mary
4. Saints

Go to
ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/intro.asp

under Select from a list of EWTN Programs

type “scott hahn”

scroll down the list of audios

from the list

1. audio 1,2 & 3 = Pope
2. audio 4, 5 & 6 = Purgatory
3. audio 7, 8 & 9 = Mary
4. audio 10, 11 & 12 = Saints
5. audio 13, 14 & 15 = Eucharist (just in case)

Also instead of “scott hahn” try “tim staples” he also has a lot to say.

Great tracks that will help u understand the catholic position

God bless every one

Cheers

Alex

 

[katt33]

I am glad this forum is here. It is really helping me. I prayed over the past two days, have read psalms and believe I was given some divine inspiration. A good point is made that if God only wanted written words followed he would have had scribes follow him around. I thought about the Holy Spirit and I guess if an individual really wants that Holy Spirit inspiration to understand the bible then will get it. I am still uncomfortable about the praying to saints aspect and pope infallability, as none are infallible. This forum helps a lot though.