Purgatory and salvation

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I’m having a problem with purgatory. I know nothing unclean can enter heaven, but hasn’t Jesus already purged us? This is not an attack at all, just honest curiosity. :confused:

Speaking of salvation, this “faith plus works” thing. What does it really mean? does it conflict with John 3:16?
 
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Hilde_Mari:
Hi! 🙂
I’m having a problem with purgatory. I know nothing unclean can enter heaven, but hasn’t Jesus already purged us? This is not an attack at all, just honest curiosity. :confused:

Speaking of salvation, this “faith plus works” thing. What does it really mean? does it conflict with John 3:16?
You’re already purged of all attachment to sin? Wow. You’re better off than me! If that’s the case, then you wouldn’t need Purgatory, and you’d go straight into Heaven without suffering any loss (1Cor 3:15).

You won’t find “faith plus works” in the Catechism. Faith is a work, by the way. We accept God’s salvation by not rejecting the graces we receive from God, whether that grace impels us to believe, or whether that grace keeps us from mortal sin.

From Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth:

**What You Must Do to Be Saved **
Best of all, the promise of eternal life is a gift, freely offered to us by God (CCC 1727). Our initial forgiveness and justification are not things we “earn” (CCC 2010). Jesus is the mediator who bridged the gap of sin that separates us from God (1 Tim. 2:5); he bridged it by dying for us. He has chosen to make us partners in the plan of salvation (1 Cor. 3:9).

The Catholic Church teaches what the apostles taught and what the Bible teaches: We are saved by grace alone, but not by faith alone (which is what “Bible Christians” teach; see Jas. 2:24).

When we come to God and are justified (that is, enter a right relationship with God), nothing preceding justification, whether faith or good works, earns grace. But then God plants his love in our hearts, and we should live out our faith by doing acts of love (Gal. 6:2).

Even though only God’s grace enables us to love others, these acts of love please him, and he promises to reward them with eternal life (Rom. 2:6–7, Gal. 6:6–10). Thus good works are meritorious. When we first come to God in faith, we have nothing in our hands to offer him. Then he gives us grace to obey his commandments in love, and he rewards us with salvation when we offer these acts of love back to him (Rom. 2:6–11, Gal. 6:6–10, Matt. 25:34–40).

Jesus said it is not enough to have faith in him; we also must obey his commandments. “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ but do not do the things I command?” (Luke 6:46, Matt. 7:21–23, 19:16–21).

We do not “earn” our salvation through good works (Eph. 2:8–9, Rom. 9:16), but our faith in Christ puts us in a special grace-filled relationship with God so that our obedience and love, combined with our faith, will be rewarded with eternal life (Rom. 2:7, Gal. 6:8–9).

Paul said, “God is the one who, for his good purpose, works in you both to desire and to work” (Phil. 2:13). John explained that “the way we may be sure that we know him is to keep his commandments. Whoever says, ‘I know him,’ but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him” (1 John 2:3–4, 3:19–24, 5:3–4).

Since no gift can be forced on the recipient—gifts always can be rejected—even after we become justified, we can throw away the gift of salvation. We throw it away through grave (mortal) sin (John 15:5–6, Rom. 11:22–23, 1 Cor. 15:1–2; CCC 1854–1863). Paul tells us, “The wages of sin is death” (Rom. 6:23).

Read his letters and see how often Paul warned Christians against sin! He would not have felt compelled to do so if their sins could not exclude them from heaven (see, for example, 1 Cor. 6:9–10, Gal. 5:19–21).

Paul reminded the Christians in Rome that God “will repay everyone according to his works: eternal life for those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works, but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness” (Rom. 2:6–8).

Sins are nothing but evil works (CCC 1849–1850). We can avoid sins by habitually performing good works. Every saint has known that the best way to keep free from sins is to embrace regular prayer, the sacraments (the Eucharist first of all), and charitable acts.

CCC=Catechism of Catholic Church paragraph number.
 
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Hilde_Mari:
I’m having a problem with purgatory. I know nothing unclean can enter heaven, but hasn’t Jesus already purged us?
No, he has Redeemed us. This is a crucial difference. Jesus has redeemed Man-- meaning that the infinite merits of his Sacrifice have healed the rift between God and Man that prevented Man from achieving the Beatific Vision.

Heaven is now possible for Man because of Jesus’s actions.

All men have been Redeemed, but it is up to each person individually to embrace the Faith, follow the commandments, and therefore accept Salvation.

Grace is required for the Beatific Vision-- and we can expel grace from our souls through sin at any time. Therefore, Salvation is a process, not an event.
 
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1ke:
No, he has Redeemed us. This is a crucial difference. Jesus has redeemed Man-- meaning that the infinite merits of his Sacrifice have healed the rift between God and Man that prevented Man from achieving the Beatific Vision.

Heaven is now possible for Man because of Jesus’s actions.

All men have been Redeemed, but it is up to each person individually to embrace the Faith, follow the commandments, and therefore accept Salvation.

Grace is required for the Beatific Vision-- and we can expel grace from our souls through sin at any time. Therefore, Salvation is a process, not an event.
That’s a good point. Many people mistakenly think that redemption and salvation are the same.
 
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