Purgatory and the General Judgment

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=kowsky;8631261]Purgatory can be mentioned in many books … but , has it been mentioned in the Bible??, atleast once?? when a man can pay for his own sins in the so called purgatoy, why did Jesus gave himself as a sacrifice for the sins of entire mankind? When the Blood of Christ can wash away all our sins once we believe and follow Him , there is no need for us to clean ourself in the non-existing purgatory…
Welcome my friend to the FORUM!

Your aware of course that terms like Protrestant, Catholic, Theology, Doctrine and Dogma ALSO like the term Purgatory are not used in the Bible. Yet each of these has a basis, a foundation there.

Each of these verses speaks of Purgatory implicitly.🙂

Rev. 21: 27 “But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”

Mt. 5: 26 truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny.

**Matt.5: 48 **“You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

Heb. 2: 10 For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through suffering.

**1John.3: 2 to 3 **“Beloved, we are God’s children now; it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. And every one who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.”

Think of Purgatory as a sort of “Soul-Wash”… Because God IS perfect, we too must be made perfect in order to enter into His presense.👍

God Bless you,

Pat

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I have read that Purgatory will cease to exist after the General Judgment. What happens to those souls who are in the state of grace but still needing purification who are alive at the Second Coming? Do they go to hell? Is there another way they are purified?
What exactly is purgatory, what book, chapter, and verse is it in?
 
What exactly is purgatory, what book, chapter, and verse is it in?
The word “purgatory” comes from the word “purge”; it is used to refer to a time of purging/cleansing that takes place after death for those who are not yet perfectly clean (cf Rev. 21:27 But nothing unclean shall enter it,…)
This purging, which is temporary, does not apply to those condemned to eternal damnation for unrepented grave sin…

St. Paul gives sort of a visual image of Purgatory in 1 Corinthians even tho he doesn’t use the particular word “purgatory” - which was coined later for use in reference to this process of purging that takes place after death…

1 Cor. 3:13 each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 3:14 If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 3:15 If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though **he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. **
Note that it is not only the man’s works that are subjected to “fire”, but the man himself will have to undergo something similar.
 
I didn’t get it. How God forgive our sin but we have to purge it in the purgatory. So is partially forgive?
 
I didn’t get it. How God forgive our sin but we have to purge it in the purgatory. So is partially forgive?
catholic.com/tracts/purgatory

And when in doubt don’t waste time listening to our explanations, go to the best of the best for explanations:

catholic.com/tracts/the-roots-of-purgatory
philvaz.com/apologetics/a105.htm

Augustine

“There is an ecclesiastical discipline, as the faithful know, when the names of the martyrs are read aloud in that place at the altar of God, where prayer is not offered for them. Prayer, however, is offered for other dead who are remembered. It is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought ourselves be commended” (Sermons 159:1 [A.D. 411]).

“But by the prayers of the holy Church, and by the salvific sacrifice, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided, that the Lord might deal more mercifully with them than their sins would deserve. The whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers: that it prays for those who have died in the communion of the Body and Blood of Christ, when they are commemorated in their own place in the sacrifice itself; and the sacrifice is offered also in memory of them, on their behalf. If, then, works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death” (ibid., 172:2).

“Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter, but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment” (The City of God 21:13 [A.D. 419]).

“That there should be some fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, through a certain purgatorial fire” (Handbook on Faith, Hope, and Charity 18:69 [A.D. 421]).

“The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or of hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator [Mass] is offered for them, or when alms are given in the Church. But these things are of profit to those who, when they were alive, merited that they might afterward be able to be helped by these things. There is a certain manner of living, neither so good that there is no need of these helps after death, nor yet so wicked that these helps are of no avail after death” (ibid., 29:109).

“The man who has cultivated that remote land [Gen 3:17] and who has gotten his bread by his very great labor is able to suffer this labor to the end of this life. After this life, however, it is not necessary that he suffer. But the man who perhaps has not cultivated the land and has allowed it to be overrun with brambles has in this life the curse of his land on all his works, and after this life he will have either purgatorial fire or eternal punishment [habebit vel ignem purgationis vel poenam aeternam].” (De Genesi contra Manich 2:20:30 [c. AD 389])

“‘Lord, rebuke me not in Your indignation, nor correct me in Your anger’ [Psalm 38:1]…In this life may You cleanse me and make me such that I have no need of the corrective fire, which is for those who are saved, but as if by fire…for it is said: ‘He shall be saved, but as if by fire’ [1 Cor 3:15]. And because it is said that he shall be saved, little is thought of that fire. Yet plainly, though we be saved by fire, that fire will be more severe than anything a man can suffer in this life.” (Explanations of the Psalms 37:3 [c. AD 392])

Cyprian of Carthage

“The strength of the truly believing remains unshaken; and with those who fear and love God with their whole heart, their integrity continues steady and strong. For to adulterers even a time of repentance is granted by us, and peace * is given. Yet virginity is not therefore deficient in the Church, nor does the glorious design of continence languish through the sins of others. The Church, crowned with so many virgins, flourishes; and chastity and modesty preserve the tenor of their glory. Nor is the vigor of continence broken down because repentance and pardon are facilitated to the adulterer. It is one thing to stand for pardon, another thing to attain to glory; it is one thing, when cast into prison, not to go out thence until one has paid the uttermost farthing; another thing at once to receive the wages of faith and courage. It is one thing, tortured by long suffering for sins, to be cleansed and long purged by fire; another to have purged all sins by suffering. It is one thing, in fine, to be in suspense till the sentence of God at the day of judgment; another to be at once crowned by the Lord” (Letters 51[55]:20 [A.D. 253]).*
 
=E Thrower II;8640168]What exactly is purgatory, what book, chapter, and verse is it in?
Because God can accurately be describe as “EVERY GOOD THING PERFECTED,” a Perfect God commands and demands that in order for anyone to attain the “Beatific Vision” {Being in the actual Presence of God], they must either “be perfect” when they die; or IF they die with NO unconfessed, unforgiven MORTAL sins, BUT have lesser sins not confessed and forgiven OR because all sins [Even when Forgiven] have a "pay back factor, that too MUST be repaid. For exaple: If one steals someting. Not only MUST it be Confessed and forgiven; BUT it also must be repaid. If one ruins someones good reputation It must be compesated for Ect.

**1John.1: 8 to 10 **“If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”

1John.5: 16 to 1 "If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.

John.20: 20 to 23" When he had said this, he showed them [Peter and the Apostles] his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. ***As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are ***retained”

***Purgatory is sort of a “Soul-Wash.” It is a temporary place of JUST suffering that purifies our souls making one then able to enter into the Presence of our Perfect God.

The Idea and reality of Purgatory are Biblical as I will show. BUT like many other tersm: Catholic, Protestants, baptist, Lutherns, Doctrine, Dogmas, Pope; ALL OF WHICH are at least implied in the Bible, one does not find the precise term. THAT IN NO WAY DEMIINISHES it’s reality. Just as these other terms are realities but not found “per-say” in the Bible.***

Here’s your proof.🙂

**Rev. 21: 27 **“But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”

Mt. 5: 26 truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny.

Matt.5: 48 “You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

Heb. 2: 10 For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through suffering.

1John.3: 2 to 3 “Beloved, we are God’s children now; it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. And every one who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.”

***God Bless. If you’d like more information, send me a private message.

God Bless,

PJM

Pat***
 
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