Purgatory, because why not?

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“Purgatory is an invention of man nothing else”

God is the driving force in all those who use their free will to do good, even those who don’t believe in him, that why I believe in Purgatory, God finds the good in man one way or another, the problem is when we get the opportunity, some of us just decide to do nothing, the worst habit of the human race

“But there is no good atheist!”

That is where the objectors are wrong, to say that all atheists or other religious folk are bad, is to say the entire human race has NO potential! That there might as well be no point for Jesus dying on the cross for those living and dead including Judas! You might as well say that the Good Shepard cannot find the lost lamb! You might as well say there is no connection to ANY human being at all!

“But Martin Luther removed the books from the Catholic bible because they were forgeries!”

Are you sure? Are you sure it was not just an act of defiance? the concept of Purgatory has dated back to the Vatican’s infancy, there must be some philosophical research done by the apostles to conclude such a thing exists! Its not a matter of “Who was here first” it is a matter of “what research was done to conclude it”!
 
Why not? A skeptic would answer that there is no physical evidence such a place exists.
 
To which the believer should reply, “There is neither any physical evidence for the doctrine that physical evidence is the necessary attribute of all sound belief.”
 
The doctrine of purgatory is 100% biblical. If you don’t believe in purgatory, then why did the early Church Fathers in the first few centuries of Christianity believe in purgatory?

This is why Luther tried to remove books from the Bible, because they showed the need for praying for the dead (2 Maccabees)
 
You’ll be right in front of me friend, assuming I make it. ^^
 
If we believe God is just, there must be purgatory. After all, it is only fair we get the chance to pay off our sins, if we don’t do so in this life.

Some people die suddenly. If they lived longer, they may have repented.

If the soul is immortal, why can it not repent beyond the grave?
 
The obvious reply is that Jesus distinguished between the sheep and the goats but He also said there is more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents - without specifying a closing date! 🙂
 
Qoeleth said:
If we believe God is just, there must be purgatory. After all, it is only fair we get the chance to pay off our sins, if we don’t do so in this life.

Some people die suddenly. If they lived longer, they may have repented.

If the soul is immortal, why can it not repent beyond the grave?
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If we are made in the image and likeness of God there is good reason to believe our free will is a permanent fixture! 😉
 
tonyrey said:
The obvious reply is that Jesus distinguished between the sheep and the goats but He also said there is more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents - without specifying a closing date! 🙂
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The closing date for human repentance is our death when the spiritual soul leaves the material body.
 
I’m shooting to get straight into Heaven, so just in case I miss my mark, I’ll make it into Purgatory. I want to do all of my suffering here or at least as much as I can take. I plan on eliminating all my sins and getting as many indulgences as I can.

Regular penance, fasting, doing good deeds, penance, charity work, masses, rosaries, prayer, whatever it takes, I’m willing to do. God gives everyone the capacity to go straight in, Why not shoot for the stars ? Jesus, and the saints have shown us how it’s done. It’s definitely worth the effort.🙂
 
Qoeleth said:
If the soul is immortal, why can it not repent beyond the grave?
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This is an interesting question I like to discuss.

Being in ‘time’, it is what we have to work in.

All we know that has been revealed outside of time is Heaven, Hell, Purgatory. None of these places have been revealed to be in ‘time’ (in which to repent considering our nature, soul+body).

Those who don’t get a fair shot at ‘time’, must still decide to accept (or reject) God’s invitation. But specific to your question, these exceptions wouldn’t necessarily have to repent, as they didn’t have ‘time’ to commit sin (unborn for instance).
 
MarcoPolo said:
To which the believer should reply, “There is neither any physical evidence for the doctrine that physical evidence is the necessary attribute of all sound belief.”
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According to this, every imaginable story, place or being, no matter how incredible or terrible it is, is an existent reality including the ones Catholics don’t believe in.

“Blessed are those who have not seen and
yet have believed” opens a big door to every faith ever made.
 
Qoeleth said:
If we believe God is just, there must be purgatory. After all, it is only fair we get the chance to pay off our sins, if we don’t do so in this life.
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Well, that depends on what you mean by ‘pay off our sins.’ After all, our sins are completely forgiven through sacramental reconciliation: after leaving the confessional, we don’t have to ‘pay off’ anything – we’re completely and irrevocably forgiven! However, there’s a certain ugly reality to sin: it scars us. Having sinned, we are wounded in a particular way. Even once we’re forgiven, the wound – the scar – remains. In heaven, though, we’ll be perfect (nothing imperfect can exist in the unmediated presence of God (the ‘Beatific Vision’)); so, how do we understand the fact that, at death, we’re imperfect, but in God’s presence, we’ll be perfect? Clearly, something happens between death and Beatific Vision; that ‘something’ is the purgation of our imperfections. So, this purgation isn’t a matter of God’s justice – rather, it’s a reflection of God’s perfect nature!
Some people die suddenly. If they lived longer, they may have repented.
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This is a question of ‘forgiveness,’ not of ‘purgation’. Those who die in a state of mortal sin cannot repent in eternity…
If the soul is immortal, why can it not repent beyond the grave?
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To state it simply, we are not ‘souls’. We are soul/body composites. Our repentance, then, takes place while we are in our ‘natural’ condition; God has given us our lives in order that we might turn toward him. Therefore, this ‘turn toward God’ takes place in the context of our earthly lives. What would it mean, metaphysically, to say that our soul+body has rejected God but our soul-body accepts him? That would be an error of category, I think. Therefore, our acceptance or rejection of God takes place while we are alive on this earth; and our eternal reward (or damnation) takes place once our ‘natural condition’ has been restored…
 
LibralAteoJesus said:
According to this, every imaginable story, place or being, no matter how incredible or terrible it is, is an existent reality
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It certainly does not! If this is what you assert, then you’re making a grievous error of logic! The materialist perspective asserts that there is no possible claim that can be made outside of the context of physical experience. MarcoPolo’s claim does not assert that all non-physical claims must be accepted; rather, it only asserts that physical claims are not the only ones that may be accepted.
 
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