Purgatory - Confession/ Absolution Question

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If we have given a good confession, repented, received absolution, and have done our penance, then it is my understanding (as a new convert - so please correct me if I’m wrong) that our sins are forgiven and forgotten by God. If so, would we still go to purgatory if we died before sinning any further?
 
My own understanding is that we would go to purgatory. This is why there are indulgences.
 
Committing sin has two aspects for us, A guilt and a temporal punishment for sin. When we repent of mortal sin and receive absolution, the eternal punishment is taken away from us because of Christ’s Death.

The guilt corresponds to the seriousness of the offense and one’s culpability for it. Also, running along side the guilt is the temporal punishment for sin, which arises from the very nature of sin and is not some sort of petty grevience God has against us. It increases in accordance with the sin you have committed. The penance that you do (or indulgences you receive) remove your punishment but if you are not entirely purified from all stain of sin, affection for it, and have some temporal punishment left, you will undergo Purgatory. Nothing unclean can enter heaven.
 
What about Jesus Christ? Didn’t he pay for all of our sins? Why did he die on the cross?
 
Christ took away our eternal punishment by His Cross. He has reconciled us to the Father, but by sinning mortally we reject Him.
 
Edson, brings up a good point and why I’m confused. Because of Jesus’ sacrifice for us, Hebrews 8:12 says that God remembers our sins no more. So if our sins are forgiven and God doesn’t even have recollection of them, aren’t we (until we sin again) covered under the blood of Jesus Christ which is our purification/redemption?
 
It is only through His Passion and Death that we are reconciled to the Father, but this is only an opportunity for us. We do not automatically enter heaven simply by believing as each man will receive what his deeds deserve.
 
What about Jesus Christ? Didn’t he pay for all of our sins? Why did he die on the cross?
Well I thought sins that were forgiven were forgiven indeed.

Psalm 103:12 “As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us.”

Isaiah 38:17 “Lo, for my own welfare I had great bitterness; It is You who has kept my soul from the pit of nothingness, for You have cast all my sins behind Your back.”

Isaiah 43:25 "I, even I, am the one who wipes out your transgressions for My own sake, and I will not remember your sins.

Zechariah 3:9 “‘For behold, the stone that I have set before Joshua; on one stone are seven eyes Behold, I will engrave an inscription on it,’ declares the LORD of hosts, 'and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.”

Hebrews 8:12 “For I will be merciful to their iniquities and I will remember their sins no more.”

Hebrews 9:26 “Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.”

Hebrews 10:17 “And their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
 
''I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny." (Luke 12:59). A reference to Purgatory.
 
Edson, brings up a good point and why I’m confused. Because of Jesus’ sacrifice for us, Hebrews 8:12 says that God remembers our sins no more. So if our sins are forgiven and God doesn’t even have recollection of them, aren’t we (until we sin again) covered under the blood of Jesus Christ which is our purification/redemption?
He is talking about the house of Israel. Who is the house of Israel? Does it pertain to modern day Christians? Is he speaking of just that instance with certain people?
 
''I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny." (Luke 12:59). A reference to Purgatory.
Maybe in an implicit way. I read the passage a couple of times and got that maybe it could also be that try to settle out of court! So in the context of Purgatory it could mean that live a Christian life on earth before physical death so you don’t have to pay that much later. Just a thought…
 
''I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny." (Luke 12:59). A reference to Purgatory.
Stuart provides a good quote. If you haven’t already, go here to read a page on Purgatory – complete with scriptural references, quotes from the Church Fathers and more. After you read it, tell us your thoughts.
 
He is talking about the house of Israel. Who is the house of Israel? Does it pertain to modern day Christians? Is he speaking of just that instance with certain people?
Edson,

The bible is not “people specific”, i.e. applies to a singular group. The truth that you encounter throuhout the bible is “literal” in that it can be applied universally regardless of the group it was addressed to 2,000+ year ago.

Can you go to straight to heaven, yes, “if” you are “…perfect, as MY heavenly Father is perfect…” paraphrase of Jesus.

The souls in purgatory are refered to as the HOLY SOULS OF PURGATORY, because they "made it’, they are heaven bound.

Don’t sweat the small stuff, like Purgatory, focus on your daily walk with Jesus and strive in all your doings “…to be perfect as MY heavenly Father is perfect…”

Gotta go, 7pm is Confession in my parish for Easter - I wasn’t so perfect these last two weeks, so I have to bring myself back to focusing on perfection.
 
Edson,

The bible is not “people specific”, i.e. applies to a singular group. The truth that you encounter throuhout the bible is “literal” in that it can be applied universally regardless of the group it was addressed to 2,000+ year ago.

Can you go to straight to heaven, yes, “if” you are “…perfect, as MY heavenly Father is perfect…” paraphrase of Jesus.

The souls in purgatory are refered to as the HOLY SOULS OF PURGATORY, because they "made it’, they are heaven bound.

Don’t sweat the small stuff, like Purgatory, focus on your daily walk with Jesus and strive in all your doings “…to be perfect as MY heavenly Father is perfect…”

Gotta go, 7pm is Confession in my parish for Easter - I wasn’t so perfect these last two weeks, so I have to bring myself back to focusing on perfection.
I have no problem with Purgatory I am just trying answer non Catholic Christians when asked about my faith. Maybe you can help me out and provide some documentation or links to the “The bible is not “people specific”, i.e. applies to a singular group.” Meanwhile I will continue to search and read. That reminds me I have to go to confession myself! Thanks everyone for responding God Bless and the quest continues…
 
Edson, brings up a good point and why I’m confused. Because of Jesus’ sacrifice for us, Hebrews 8:12 says that God remembers our sins no more. So if our sins are forgiven and God doesn’t even have recollection of them, aren’t we (until we sin again) covered under the blood of Jesus Christ which is our purification/redemption?
Silly of me…but bear with me…
So I am invited and come to your house for a party…and you allow me in your gracious hospitality, to get anything out of the “re-frig” that I want…and enjoy myself…but you warn me to be very careful when pulling food dishes out and putting them back in the “re-frig”. I am careless and lazy (and greedy), and while reaching for something in the back of a shelf…instead of moving the other dishes out of the way…and onto the counter or table…I pull my dish forward and knock a big glass bowl of chili on the floor…it breaks and splatters everywhere…including all over me and my white tennis shoes and white jogging pants. You rush into the kitchen and spot the mess all over the floor…your splendid terra cotta tiles are a mess and broken glass is everywhere. I cry crocodile tears and say how sorry I am and beg for your forgiveness. You are frustrated that I did not heed your warning…but you look me in the eye and say I forgive you…its forgiven and forgotten…but you tell me to clean up the mess on your floors for my “penance”…then you leave and go back to the party in the living room.

Now that I am forgiven…I would like to get out of the “penance”…but I do it grudgingly…but not with any fervent charity for your mercy and compassion on me or to help me to change my impatient and careless way of doing things. I do it because that was our agreement. When I am done…I am very glad and relieved that it is over…finished. But I look down and can’t help but cringe when I see all the chili stains in my clothes and on my shoes. I say the heck with it…I will worry about it later…and I go into the living room to join the party and to watch TV with you and your other guests. But…you pull me aside and say that I must get cleaned up before I can join the party…I must be clean and properly dressed. So…off to “purgatory” I go to clean the stains and purify my white clothes…and get myself spotlessly and appropriately dressed.

Make any sense to you?..Probably not…so here is something from the** CCC:**
1472 To understand this doctrine and practice of the Church, it is necessary to understand that sin has a double consequence. Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the “eternal punishment” of sin. On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures,** which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. **This purification frees one from what is called the “temporal punishment” of sin. These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.
1473 The forgiveness of sin and restoration of communion with God entail the remission of the eternal punishment of sin, but temporal punishment of sin remains. While patiently bearing sufferings and trials of all kinds and, when the day comes, serenely facing death, the Christian must strive to accept this temporal punishment of sin as a grace. He should strive by works of mercy and charity, as well as by prayer and the various practices of penance, to put off completely the “old man” and to put on the "new man."85 [85–see Ephesians 4:22, 24]
Hope this is helpful…for your consideration.
Pax Christi.
 
My own understanding is that we would go to purgatory. This is why there are indulgences.
Not necessarily. If a man has undertaken sufficent penances and endured sufficient sufferings in his earthly life to pay for the sins he has committed, he will go straight to Heaven. It is obvious that this applies to many people who have committed few sins in their earthly lives but have endured great suffering. Any “excess” suffering/penance can be used to help others in Purgatory.
 
Don’t sweat the small stuff, like Purgatory, focus on your daily walk with Jesus and strive in all your doings “…to be perfect as MY heavenly Father is perfect…”
I thought I understand about Purgatory until I read the recommended booklet, “Read Me or Rue It” by Fr. Paul O’Sullivan, O.P., (in a purgatory thread in Ask an Apologist). When I read about the fire of purgatory being worst than the fires of hell and, how a minute in purgatory is like a century on earth and, how you can go through that for 20, 30, 40, 60 years or more — I’m worried and have the cajeebers scared out me! I think there’s a few things they forgot to tell us in our RICA classes. :eek:

So what everyone is saying is that those Biblical verses regarding God forgiving and forgetting our sins don’t apply to us today; rather to a particular group of people in that particular biblical time? If so, then God judges sin differently for different people? An if those passages are only for that time in history, then how are we to know that Jesus died for all of us through the end of time and not just those in his own time?

Purgatory makes sense to me regarding sins you have either not repented of or incurred before you had the opportunity to deal with; as well as those things we’ve tended to hang on to and not fully turn over to Christ. But for our entire lifetime, of which most have been dealt with, repented of, made amends for and received absolution – all under the blood of Christ (of which we receive weekly under the Eucharist), I’m having a really rough time with that one. Where then does God’s and Christ’s mercy enter in if we still must pay for sins that have already been forgiven? I also can’t seem to figure out then what repentance, confession, and absolution would be for.

I was told in our RICA classes that it was so we could be cleaned of our sins and stand worthy of accepting our Lord’s mercy. If we must still pay the price for those sins, then we are not actually forgiven through Christ Jesus to begin with and that would make the Eucharist a lie. No matter how hard I try, I can’t believe that.

Let’s take even a mortal sin like adultery. If someone has repented, made things right as best they could between all parties, asked God’s forgiveness through Jesus Christ, confessed that sin in a good confession, received absolution and did his penance, but that isn’t the end of that sin; he then has to pay for it all *over again *burning in purgatory for years? If Christ paid the penalty for what we deserved, but then we also have to pay if over and over again, what did Christ die for? And as much as Christ endured, purgatory is so much more painful and lingering so it seems so all in vain. I’m so confused. 😦
 
Lancer, your post makes sense and does help some what (thank you so much), but I still don’t quite understand. I understand the invitation by the host (being God), but God himself sent out the invitations thousands of years before we were even born. He then provided us with example and aid to help us, because He knew, no matter how badly we wanted to do things right, we would end up making a mess up at some point or another and He would have to eject us from the party so as not to spoil it for others.

Now if it where just God the host your story would be correct. But you left out one important aspect of God’s plan for the party – Jesus Christ. If we humbled ourselves to ask for his help, even though we would have to be the ones to do the manual labor, Jesus would be there to help us to clean up the mess. But He doesn’t stop there, even though we were now improperly dressed for a party, Jesus transformed our attire by removing those spots to the point that God Himself no longer sees them and welcomes us back to the party.

Now both Jesus and us know the spots were there (our own conscience and difficulty forgiving ourself), but He honored our repentance, our confession of wrong doing, and our attempts at making amends - not because we got the kitchen spic and span again – but through His love and mercy. Now those spots are so invisibly cleaned off that even God forgot they were there to begin with. Not because God is forgetful, but – because Jesus was given the spot remover by His Father.
 
Now both Jesus and us know the spots were there (our own conscience and difficulty forgiving ourself), but He honored our repentance, our confession of wrong doing, and our attempts at making amends - not because we got the kitchen spic and span again – but through His love and mercy. Now those spots are so invisibly cleaned off that even God forgot they were there to begin with. Not because God is forgetful, but – because Jesus was given the spot remover by His Father.
Karen - Jesus does help us with cleaning off the spilled and splashed stains from our clothes and body. Thus, we go into the other room to get ourselves cleaned and washed up. However, we sometimes get sidetracked from completely cleaning up, or the way we use the “spot remover” (grace) that Jesus gave us we don’t use correctly or with complete attention to the directions (grace again) He gives us. Therefore, our return to the party is delayed until we get the stains completely clean. If we don’t get the stains completely cleaned off before we die (and that is possible), we have to continue cleaning in Purgatory before we can finally get back to the party all spic and span and shiny.

Does that help a little more?
 
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