Purgatory for Communion in the Hand?

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Note: This is private revelation, and you are not obligated to believe it, but you are also not condemned for believing it. This particular message is directed more at priests. This addresses Communion in the Hand, and is a message from Heaven to promote Communion on the Tongue.

Urgent Issues to be addressed: From Heaven to Valentina for all mankind.
The Reception of the Holy Eucharist
January, 2004
Today while I was praying, an Angel appeared and said, “I am the Angel of the Lord. He sends me to take you to the place where souls are kept and are suffering’.

In the next instant, I found myself in a very grey and depressing place, all rocky and damp like a gallery or tunnel [purgature]. The Angel said to me, “You will experience many bishops and priests who offended God during life and didn´t serve Him as they should’.

The Angel raised one hand and called a person who approached us. The angel gave the person permission to talk to me. The person was tall with blond hair and young. As he came forward he was holding both hands out, palms upward. Between his fingers there was a flame.

He spoke, “Valentina, look how I suffer. While I was alive I was a bishop but I didn´t serve the Lord properly.* These changes in the church are devastating. Serving Holy Communion in the hand is the greatest sacrilege against God’. *

He continued, “Valentina, don´t be afraid ! Speak out. You have to let them know how we suffer.* Tell them not to serve Holy Communion in the hand. No one should touch the Blessed Eucharist except consecrated priests’.*

He said, “Look at our hands. They are on fire and burning constantly. Who knows how long we are going to stay here and suffer ?’ He was pleading and I felt so sorry for him, He concluded, “Please help us, pray for us. God gives you this grace so you can see how we suffer’.

When he finished talking, another priest appeared before me and said, “Valentina, the world is in such a sinful state and living in darkness.** God is going to punish the world severely soon and it will be worse than Sodom and Gomorrah. We all fear for you. The time is approaching fast. There is nothing left but prayer and conversion for you people on Earth’.**
My own commentary: I wonder if lay people will also experience burning hands, for making the Holy Sacrifice unclean by touching the Host with their unconsecrated, sinful hands???

And again, I reiterate … this is private revelation. Use your own discernment. I, for one, believe it.
 
how does touching the host with our unconsecrated, sinful hands desecrate it more than touching it with our unconsecrated, sinful tongues?
 
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TheGrowingGrape:
He said, “Look at our hands. They are on fire and burning constantly.
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Hello GrowingGrape,

Compared to other questions of theology, I must admit I’m very little concerned about this.

Are you saying this is officially authorized as believable by the Church?

Greg
 
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Greg_McPherran:
Hello GrowingGrape,

Compared to other questions of theology, I must admit I’m very little concerned about this.

Are you saying this is officially authorized as believable by the Church?

Greg
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Private revelation is binding only on the one who receives it. The Church does not find this revelation credible since it is the Church herself who, restoring an ancient practice, permits communion in the hand.

Deacon Ed
 
Is this “visionary” approved of by the Church? I could find nothing on the 'net.
 
He continued, “Valentina, don´t be afraid ! Speak out. You have to let them know how we suffer. Tell them not to serve Holy Communion in the hand. No one should touch the Blessed Eucharist except consecrated priests’.
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Private Revelation must be judged by it’s conformance with Church Teachings, not vice versa.

The statement presented above is patently false as the Church has always held that it is the role of the Deacon as guardian of the Cup and to bring the Eucharist to the sick.

Several saints of the Church, including Francis of Assisi, lived their lives doing so. Since Canonization is an infallible exercise of the Church, the above statement MUST be false.

So this ‘revelation’ would have us believe that every deacon who ever lived, including St. Francis of Assisi sinned greatly by bringing the Eucharist to the sick,( Francis was a deacon his whole life, never a consecrated priest).

This statement could NOT have come from God.
 
The Church allows The Holy Eucharist to be placed in the recipients hand “if” the recipient wishes to receive in that manner. A “private” revelation which goes against “official Church teaching” is always suspect. We have enough problems with outright “disobedience” to known teachings and reminders, as in the latest “stop the abuses” letter from Rome, to be concerned with suspicious private revelations.
Mary, Seat of Wisdom, pray for us.
Peace on earth to men of good will.
LaVada
 
I leave it to the Church to determine what is revelation and what is schizophrenia and consider that private revelations should be kept private except to discuss with one’s priest for discernment.

Few of us will escape purgatory for multiple reasons.
 
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jeffreedy789:
how does touching the host with our unconsecrated, sinful hands desecrate it more than touching it with our unconsecrated, sinful tongues?
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Exactly.

And if the recipient is a notorious, unrepentant sinner, they’ll mitigate their desecration by at least receiving on the tongue? Not likely.

Sounds more like scrupulosity that Divine Revelation.
 
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TheGrowingGrape:
And again, I reiterate … this is private revelation. Use your own discernment. I, for one, believe it.
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Well I don’t for many of the reasons stated in the other posts here.

WHO is Valentina? How reliable is she in these matters? Does she have any approvals, approbation and WHY do you believe it - these are the questions we must ask ourselves.
 
Who is Valentina?
Valentina Papagna migrated to Sydney, Australia in 1955 from Slovenia after experiencing difficult times in her early years.In 1988 two years after the sudden death of her husband, Valentina began to receive visions and messages from our Lord Jesus and Mary our Blessed Mother. From this time on her life changed from being an average Catholic to one more devout.Valentina is a Roman Catholic in good standing, who has the full support of her Spiritual director and parish priest, Father Valerian Jenko OFM. She wishes to share her experiences and messages only to help people come closer to God and to grow in holiness as Jesus and Mary desire.Now a grandmother, she lives a quiet and simple family life, seeking to avoid publicity for herself yet compelled to proclaim the messages given to her which she knows is not for her self alone.Valentina is frequently invited into private homes where in a prayerful family gathering she shares and witnesses to God’s blessings of peace. Many confirmations attest that lives are changed, hearts touched and people are encouraged to seek Gods grace through this witness.

Why do I believe this?
I’ve read TONS of private revelations. Almost all the current visionaries say that Communion in the Hand is disapproved by Heaven.

I believe that God is ALLOWING errors in the liturgy to test The Church … that He’s temporarily suspended the dogma that “the church cannot err” for a special period of testing and purification. Why do I believe this?

Look up the Prophecy of Pope Leo XIII, with regards to Satan being allowed to enter the Church for a period of testing during the 20 and 21st centuries.

I feel that Communion in the Hand is an error allowed by God to test the Elect.

Also, the Baltimore Catechism FORBADE this practice. It was once a GRAVE sin for a layperson to touch the host with his fingers. I’ll look it up for you and post that soon.
 
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TheGrowingGrape:
Look up the Prophecy of Pope Leo XIII, with regards to Satan being allowed to enter the Church for a period of testing during the 20 and 21st centuries.
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:hmmm: I find this interesting especially since the Bishops Review Board Study on the sex abuse scandal reported: “Somehow, the “smoke of Satan” was allowed to enter the Church, and as a result the Church itself has been deeply wounded.”

usccb.org/nrb/nrbstudy/nrbstudyhtml.htm
 
A year ago, I printed a copy of the Baltimore that was on the internet, and that version forbade touching the host. I can’t seem to find the link.

However, I did find a St. Pius X Catechism with updates. It’s basically the Baltimore. Here’s an intereresting quote from it:

**50 Q: If the sacred Host should cling to the palate what should be done? **
A: If the sacred Host should cling to the palate it should be removed with the tongue, but never with the finger.

That is to say … touching the host with your own finger, once it was placed in your mouth by the priest, was FORBIDDEN.
Here’s the prophecy of Pope Leo XIII. It is church-approved.

THE VISION OF POPE LEO XIII

Exactly 33 years to the day prior to the miracle of the sun, on October 13, 1884, Pope Leo XIII had a vision. Here follows an account of that vision:

According to the most widely accepted version of what happened, On October 13, 1884, after Pope Leo XIII had finished celebrating Mass in the Vatican Chapel, attended by a few Cardinals and members of the Vatican staff, he suddenly stopped at the foot of the altar. He stood there for about 10 minutes, as if in a trance, his face ashen white. Then, going immediately from the Chapel to his office, he composed the prayer to St. Michael, with instructions it be said after all Low Masses everywhere. When asked what had happened, he explained that, as he was about to leave the foot of the altar, he suddenly heard voices - two voices, one kind and gentle, the other guttural and harsh. They seemed to come from near the tabernacle. As he listened, he heard the following conversation:

The guttural voice, the voice of Satan in his pride, boasting to Our Lord: “I can destroy your Church”

The gentle voice of Our Lord: “You can? Then go ahead and do so.”

Satan: “To do so, I need more time and more power.”

Our Lord: "How much time? How much power?

Satan: “75 to 100 years, and a greater power over those who will give themselves over to my service.” Our Lord: “You have the time, you will have the power. Do with them what you will.”
 
I will give such a revelation the same respect any statement from andy Catholic… or protestant, mormon, atheist, etc. That is to say zero. Stick to the vehicle Jesus chose to lead the church, the chair of St. Peter.

You may not be “condemned,” but you might find yourself outside the church that Jesus founded if you start down these rabbit trails. When the church pronounces it, then I will be with them.
 
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jeffreedy789:
how does touching the host with our unconsecrated, sinful hands desecrate it more than touching it with our unconsecrated, sinful tongues?
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This is something I was wondering when I read a book called “Get Us Out of Here” about a lady named Maria Simma
It talks about the same thing where bishops and priest are in Purgatory for Communion in the hand…I don’t really think that “private revelation” really reliable, but sometimes it can bring up good points and we can just take them for “face value” or whatever I am trying to say here…:whacky:
There are some priest who probably do it but don’t push Communion in the hand…I think the problem they were trying to get across was that people actually PUSH others to take Communion this way…notice I said take…
The reason I put it that was is this:
We are in reality recieving Our Lord in Holy Communion. I am now against hand Communion for many reasons. I have heard of Holy Communion refered to as “The Divine Kiss” before…I’ve thought about this, and it makes sense. Since I am a guy, I’ll say it this way…if a woman was going to kiss me (for some odd reason…heh heh…), then that would be her choice, therefore I would await her to give the kiss that I might recieve it from her in the most romantic/respectful way I could…I would not dare *take *a kiss from a a woman because that wold be disrespecful for me to try and “force” myself upon her (this is not to be confused with me offering he a kiss and her accepting)…It is just more beautiful to recieve than to take in both this instance and during Holy Communion…that is our “special moment” when we can recieve Our Lord as we are His bride.
Just my opinnon here but…While I see it can be disrespectful to recieve Hand Commuinon (intentions also play a role) I won’t say that that is the only reason to stop hand Communion, I like the beauty of Communion on the tounge (and preferably kneeling) better.
I am not saying people should go running after a private revelation because they just are things we can consider. What we are held accountable for would be better left up to the church as far as our practices. HOWEVER…keep in mind that just because the church says something is okay, doesn’t mean that we have to settle for it as “good enough”…it is better for us to not only meet the standards, but to EXCEED them whenever we can.
 
Well then, I guess those of us in the Eastern Churches, both Catholic and Orthodox. are good to go.

We have never had and will never have communion in the hand.
 
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