Purgatory is a part of hell?

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This might be entirely academic/semantic, but I just assumed that since those who are undergoing purgation are infallibly saved, that Purgatory was in some way part of the blessed in Heaven. I read that the mystical body of “the Church” consists of its militant on Earth, the souls in Purgatory, and the saints.

Does tradition or Tradition talk about this?
 
This might be entirely academic/semantic, but I just assumed that since those who are undergoing purgation are infallibly saved, that Purgatory was in some way part of the blessed in Heaven. I read that the mystical body of “the Church” consists of its militant on Earth, the souls in Purgatory, and the saints.

Does tradition or Tradition talk about this?
I’m not following what you’re asking. Could you be a little clearer?
 
In another thread, somebody mentioned that Purgatory was a part of hell.
 
In another thread, somebody mentioned that Purgatory was a part of hell.
It is not. Purgatory is a separate place from hell. One never leaves hell, but the time spent in Purgatory will end someday and the soul will take it’s place in heaven. There is some discussion that there are multiple levels of Purgatory and the lowest ones are similar to what one would suffer in hell, but it is still not hell.
 
Purgatory is not Hell, but as to its exact nature (though I believe we’ve had Saints get a glimpse) and exact location, I don’t think we can say with certainty.
 
No it is not. It is fairly clear and always has been that there is quite a sharp distinction between these. Dante Alighieri in his Divine Comedy shows that distinction quite well in a poetic context.
 
I think it was said that one of the torments of Purgatory is being separated from the Beatific Vision— you had an experience of God at your particular judgment immediately after death, but your soul was not sufficiently detached from sin to enter the Beatific Vision permanently at that point. But the hope in Purgatory is the certainty that, after sufficient purification, you’ll be able to take your place and re-encounter that Presence, whereas in Hell, it’s a permanent deprivation.

So it’s not part of Heaven-- the presence of God-- and not part of Hell-- the absence of God-- but it’s perhaps more like a process or an in-between sort of state.
 
I think it was said that one of the torments of Purgatory is being separated from the Beatific Vision— you had an experience of God at your particular judgment immediately after death, but your soul was not sufficiently detached from sin to enter the Beatific Vision permanently at that point. But the hope in Purgatory is the certainty that, after sufficient purification, you’ll be able to take your place and re-encounter that Presence, whereas in Hell, it’s a permanent deprivation.
St Alphonsus Liguori mentions that some might enter Purgatory not because of sins committed, but because of a lack of longing for Heaven in their earthly lives. Your post made me think of that.
 
Does anybody know of Catholic mystics who speak more specifically about this? I have a strong interest & trust in private revelation if it comes from a canonized source (basically: a mystic is either a liar, crazy, or legitimate, and I don’t believe the Spirit would permit a person to be canonized on account of the first two.).
 
Didn’t Pope Benedict write that Purgatory is not so much a “place” but a “state?”
 
It is a section of Hell just as there was one hell, but one was the limbo of the Fathers and the other for the damned. St. Thomas Aquinas said that purgatory is a part of hell.
 
This might be entirely academic/semantic, but I just assumed that since those who are undergoing purgation are infallibly saved, that Purgatory was in some way part of the blessed in Heaven. I read that the mystical body of “the Church” consists of its militant on Earth, the souls in Purgatory, and the saints.

Does tradition or Tradition talk about this?
Tertullian :

That allegory of the Lord [Matt. 5:25-26] . . . is extremely clear and simple in its meaning . . . [beware lest as] a transgressor of your agreement, before God the judge . . . and lest this judge deliver you over to the angel who is to execute the sentence, and he commit you to the prison of hell, out of which there will be no dismissal until the smallest even of your delinquencies be paid off in the period before the resurrection. What can be a more fitting sense than this? What a truer interpretation? (The Soul 35 [A.D. 210]).
 
I hate to say this, but it doesn’t matter what you call it. Purgatory is awful; don’t let anyone tell you it isn’t. “The Unpublished Manuscript on Purgatory” was written anonymously. A nun who died appeared to a sister she knew on earth. She said the very pit of purgatory was akin to hell. The only difference is you will someday (maybe at the end of the world?) you will get out. Some people die without any sorrow for their sins, but at the last moment, before they pass, sometimes God intervenes and gives them the gift of perfect contrition. But, they go to the deepest part of purgatory, near hell, to do their suffering.

There have also been some saints who went to purgatory to see what it was like. Sister Faustina of Divine Mercy devotion said she went to purgatory as well as hell and heaven.
 
There have also been some saints who went to purgatory to see what it was like. Sister Faustina of Divine Mercy devotion said she went to purgatory as well as hell and heaven.
I haven’t gotten to studying & meditating on her life yet.
 
This might be entirely academic/semantic, but I just assumed that since those who are undergoing purgation are infallibly saved, that Purgatory was in some way part of the blessed in Heaven. I read that the mystical body of “the Church” consists of its militant on Earth, the souls in Purgatory, and the saints.

Does tradition or Tradition talk about this?
Purgatory is NOT part of Hell.

If you die and find yourself in Purgatory it means you are saved and the next step is Heaven. Souls in Purgatory cannot go to Hell.
 
The book Purgatory by Fr. Frederick William Faber
Is Purgatory almost like Hell? Or is it a place of peace and even joy? The famous Fr. Faber explains both of these classic Catholic views of Purgatory, basing his discussion on Catholic teaching and the revelations of saintly souls, especially St. Catherine of Genoa, in her Treatise on Purgatory. Impr. 96 pgs, PB

I read this book a few decades ago and found it to be very good. Check Amazon.com and eBay.

P.S. It has been a long time since I have read the book, but I am more inclined to say that Purgatory is not a part of hell, since the souls who go there are happy and grateful because they know that they perhaps deserved hell but will be going to heaven after their time of purification. It may be described as “almost like hell” or it may “feel like hell” for lack of a better description, but It is a time of of purification, which is a time of suffering, but not a total absence of love which is what hell is. but I will defer to the saints for the proper description.
 
I have done quite a bit of studying on purgatory and from what I have read purgatory is basically (if you want to put it in dimensional terms) right above hell. In fact some of the Saints and mystics tell us that the fires of purgatory are the same as those of hell, that they are fueled by the fires of hell, but that of course is in the lowest parts of purgatory, and the only difference is that in purgatory there is light, the light of salvation, of the knowledge that the beautific vision awaits, while in hell there is nothing but darkness and despair.

So purgatory is broken down into sections with the lowest part being of course the most dreadful and the highest being that basically the only thing you suffer is the lack of the beautific vision. Don’t get me wrong I say “only” but from the mystics to the saints we are told that the worst part of purgatory is the seperation from God, it is a pain that is indescribable.

Now we are also told that the souls there refuse to leave purgatory until their sins have been completely expiated. In fact one of the mystics told it like this that the souls in heaven and God Himself would allow souls into heaven saying "don’t worry we are compassionate, merciful and loving. No one will say anything about the stench filled or muddy soul that you have, but the soul itself refuses to come into the presence of God until God has allowed it to be properly prepared.

The pains of purgatory are of course in line with the sins committed, thirst, hunger, the torture of the tongue, are a few of what is mentioned, but one thing that I found interesting was the description that there were basically two sides of a certain part of purgatory, one was the fires and the other was an equally indescribable cold or ice. That the souls suffering there would hurl themselves from the fire to the ice hoping for relief, but finding none. The only relief comes from our prayers, masses said, and when the Blessed Mother is in purgatory. Many saints and angels visit purgatory including St Michael and St Joseph and yet the pain continues, however when the Blessed Mother enters there is no pain anywhere for any soul.

Anyway, I could go on and on but there are many more well qualified and more knowledgeable authors out there. The first book that got me interested and really into studying purgatory is called “The Dogma of Purgatory”. I suggest it, but I warn you, it is not an easy read, it is not a light read, and it is an emotional read. Once read you will want to know more, you will study purgatory throughly and you will end up spending or wanting to spend a lot more money on masses and time in prayer for the Holy Souls in Purgatory.
 
I have done quite a bit of studying on purgatory and from what I have read purgatory is basically (if you want to put it in dimensional terms) right above hell. In fact some of the Saints and mystics tell us that the fires of purgatory are the same as those of hell, that they are fueled by the fires of hell, but that of course is in the lowest parts of purgatory, and the only difference is that in purgatory there is light, the light of salvation, of the knowledge that the beautific vision awaits, while in hell there is nothing but darkness and despair.

So purgatory is broken down into sections with the lowest part being of course the most dreadful and the highest being that basically the only thing you suffer is the lack of the beautific vision. Don’t get me wrong I say “only” but from the mystics to the saints we are told that the worst part of purgatory is the seperation from God, it is a pain that is indescribable.

Now we are also told that the souls there refuse to leave purgatory until their sins have been completely expiated. In fact one of the mystics told it like this that the souls in heaven and God Himself would allow souls into heaven saying "don’t worry we are compassionate, merciful and loving. No one will say anything about the stench filled or muddy soul that you have, but the soul itself refuses to come into the presence of God until God has allowed it to be properly prepared.

The pains of purgatory are of course in line with the sins committed, thirst, hunger, the torture of the tongue, are a few of what is mentioned, but one thing that I found interesting was the description that there were basically two sides of a certain part of purgatory, one was the fires and the other was an equally indescribable cold or ice. That the souls suffering there would hurl themselves from the fire to the ice hoping for relief, but finding none. The only relief comes from our prayers, masses said, and when the Blessed Mother is in purgatory. Many saints and angels visit purgatory including St Michael and St Joseph and yet the pain continues, however when the Blessed Mother enters there is no pain anywhere for any soul.

Anyway, I could go on and on but there are many more well qualified and more knowledgeable authors out there. The first book that got me interested and really into studying purgatory is called “The Dogma of Purgatory”. I suggest it, but I warn you, it is not an easy read, it is not a light read, and it is an emotional read. Once read you will want to know more, you will study purgatory throughly and you will end up spending or wanting to spend a lot more money on masses and time in prayer for the Holy Souls in Purgatory.
Do you recall if it also covers the possibility of one offering their sufferings while here on this earth thereby suffering their purgatory, or part of it, before they die?
 
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