Purgatory talk?

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Hey everyone! I’m looking for some advice on the subject of Purgatory! First off, can it be avoided?
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Sure! Here are some resources to help you:

How to Avoid Purgatory by Fr. Paul O’Sullivan

The teaching of St. Therese on Purgatory

The Divine Mercy message and devotions are also helpful
And is anyone scared of ending up there too?
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A few years ago, I was, but now I follow all of the above teachings I linked and I’m not worried about it any more. I put all my trust in Jesus, try to help other Holy Souls and stay on the proper path myself. Even if I somehow did have to go through some Purgatory, I trust Jesus wouldn’t make it too hard, and I also have full trust in Jesus to let me and all my loved ones skip it. I say a little prayer to him every day about that.
And what are some good prayers for the souls that are already there? I hear they can’t pray for themselves so we must do so for them!
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Any prayer you like will work for the Holy Souls. Often people say
  • the Eternal Rest prayer: “Eternal rest grant unto them, o Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them, may they rest in peac,e may their soul, and all souls, through the mercy of God, rest in peace, Amen”.
  • the Rosary
  • the Divine Mercy Chaplet
  • the Prayer of St. Gertrude: “Eternal Father, I offer you the most precious blood of Your divine Son Jesus, in union with all the Masses said throughout the world today, for all the holy souls in Purgatory, for sinners everywhere, for sinners in the Universal Church, in my own home, and within my family. Amen.”
  • Have a Mass said for them. Alternatively, go to a Mass yourself and offer your Mass and Communion for them.
  • Earn indulgences for them. Here is the latest manual of how to earn indulgences:
    https://files4.ecfiles.com/3189/documents/2018/4/Indulgences_v2.pdf
  • Fast for them or offer some other sacrifice to God to help them
  • After every sign of the cross you make at the end of a prayer, say, “Jesus, have mercy on the souls in purgatory and the souls on earth”
  • Say the Litany of the Dead
And any other prayer you want to offer. Even one you make up yourself.
 
Since Divine Mercy Sunday is almost here again, here is the website spelling out the difference between the Indulgence (granted by the Church) and the remission promised by Jesus (private revelation to St. Faustina).


I usually try to get both. I give the indulgence to a Holy Soul, like always, and I keep the remission from Jesus for myself as part of my “trust in Jesus” plan.

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Saxum said:
If you confess your sins on Divine Mercy Sunday, you will receive a full remission of your sins including the temporal punishment due to sin.
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Presuming that you are speaking about the remission by Jesus (NOT the indulgence, but the private revelation remission), then the criteria is actually that you have to receive Holy Communion on Divine Mercy Sunday in a state of grace, as explained in the link I posted.

Obviously if you’re not in a state of grace, you need to confess before you receive the Communion. If you just confessed recently and have not committed any possibly mortal sin, then you do not need to confess again.

The “confession within 20 days before or after” is for the indulgence, which is a different thing, as explained in the link I posted.
There’s also the pious tradition of the Sabbatine privilege. If you die wearing the Brown Scapular, Our Lady will rescue you from purgatory on the Saturday after your death. The Carmelites don’t promote this message, but it is an ancient tradition that is believed by many - including saints.
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If you regularly practice the Brown Scapular devotion, you do not need to have it on at the exact moment of your death (like if you slip in the shower or die having an operation for which you had to take the scapular off). Our Lady will still help you. She might not even make you wait till the following Saturday, especially considering Purgatory doesn’t have days of the week anyway.
 
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There is a prayer that Father Benedict Groshael recorded I found on utube. It is “The Way of the Cross for theHoly Souls”. I found it by accident on “rosy minin memorial channel”. I don,t know who rosy is
But he must have own her. The prayer has a “Litany” At the end which
Is amazing. It takes about 40 min. Sorry I don,t know how to post links.
If anyone finds the prayer please let me kmow what you think. I even called the friars becUse I wanted a cd . They had no idea what I was
talking about.
 
Milena said:
Hey everyone! I’m looking for some advice on the subject of Purgatory! First off, can it be avoided? And is anyone scared of ending up there too? And what are some good prayers for the souls that are already there? I hear they can’t pray for themselves so we must do so for them!
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I do not fear purgatory as I do not believe in it. I would be glad to discuss the theology behind why this is the case in private if you like.
 
I’m excited for purgatory and it’s all I really want when I die (because heaven is guaranteed after)

I don’t see myself completely free from attachment to sin so while no one wants the pain of purgatory
I do want the cleansing and teaching to want the goods of heaven
Plus I don’t at all feel I deserve a free ride to heaven so yeah
 
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Presuming that you are speaking about the remission by Jesus (NOT the indulgence, but the private revelation remission)
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Since @Saxum mentioned ‘confession’ and ‘remission of the temporal punishment due to sin’ (and not merely the reception of communion), it seemed evident to me that s/he was talking about the indulgence. Maybe s/he got the concepts all mixed up… 🤷‍♂️
 
Gorgias said:
Since @Saxum mentioned ‘confession’ and ‘remission of the temporal punishment due to sin’ (and not merely the reception of communion), it seemed evident to me that s/he was talking about the indulgence. Maybe s/he got the concepts all mixed up…
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I was talking about the Grace of Divine Mercy Sunday that is connected to the private revelations given by Our Lord to St Faustina. I didn’t know there was also an indulgence connected to the Feast. I’m glad you made me aware of it.
 
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Milena said:
Hey everyone! I’m looking for some advice on the subject of Purgatory! First off, can it be avoided? And is anyone scared of ending up there too? And what are some good prayers for the souls that are already there? I hear they can’t pray for themselves so we must do so for them!
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You can obtain indulgences (Catholic in the state of grace) and give them to those in purgatory. There are many prayers for the faithfully departed. One I pray for this purpose daily is Hail Holy Queen.

Purgatory can be avoided, per the Catechism.
The punishments of sin

1472 To understand this doctrine and practice of the Church, it is necessary to understand that sin has a double consequence. Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the “eternal punishment” of sin. On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the “temporal punishment” of sin. These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.
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http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P4G.HTM

Also note that there is an Apostolic Blessing that may be given with Anointing of the Sick.

Also immediately upon baptism one is free.

Catechism
1263 By Baptism all sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin.66 In those who have been reborn nothing remains that would impede their entry into the Kingdom of God, neither Adam’s sin, nor personal sin, nor the consequences of sin, the gravest of which is separation from God.
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Saxum said:
I was talking about the Grace of Divine Mercy Sunday that is connected to the private revelations given by Our Lord to St Faustina.
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OK. But… why did you mention ‘confession’ and ‘remission of temporal punishment’, which is, as it were, the precise language of indulgences? Just curious…
 
Purgatory can be avoided.
I would rather go there than end up inHell.
The best prayers are to offer the Holy Mass for the souls in Purgatory, to pray the rosary and offer up the Stations of the Cross for them.
 
It’s still 20 days. The Pope extended it for the Jubilee Year (corrected) and then just left it extended.

Traditionalist priests will still announce that it’s 8 days before or after though, including announcing it from the pulpit.

As the Vatican has documented the 20 days, I simply go every 20 days and/or every First Saturday, whichever comes first, presuming I manage to stay out of grave sin so I don’t have to run down there immediately. It works out to twice a month most months.
 
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Personally, I would be glad to wake up in Purgatory - because then I will acknowledge that I am saved!

As the Council of Trient states, we shall not at all speculate how Purgatory is etc. All speculations outside of Church teaching are non-acceptable. So do not believe all the sayings about how bad it is going to be - because those whom says so have no reason to do it.

But do not fear! Our God is merciful and he gave his very own life to be able to save each and every single one of us, whom with a truthful heart seeks Him and His kingdom.
 
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