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Be assured that all noncatholics do not share this notion; we know that Jesus was and is God!
Fully man and fully God!
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Be assured that all noncatholics do not share this notion; we know that Jesus was and is God!
Fully man and fully God!
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1beleevr
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H-m-m-m-m; so if it isnât recorded, that Jesus spoke the word purgatory,then we have to believe that catholics are right about it; and that the apostles passed it down?
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rinnie
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On that note we agree!]
I guess we would be even on the church visits, because I couldnât take communion at your church, eitherAnd what I was getting at, is we try to be perfect physically(you know, keep those plastic surgeons in business!), but are dirty on the inside(our souls)! Jesus chided the Pharisees for always worrying about the outside of the cup, and ignoring the inside! Our flessh will never be perfect, but our spirits can! This is what God desires, your heart and soul, not your body! So, why do we worry about what others think of us?
God Bless you lB.
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rinnie
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Bill I am not worried about your daughters. They have you. And you are a very good teacher for the word of God. You just love them with all your heart and soul and keep up that good fight. And I will pray with you for them girls. They will come home Bill, they have a wonderful Father and teacher
. I will also light a candle for them and ask the Blessed Mother for help with her prayers. Them girls will be fine my dear friend.
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Bill_Pick
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The answer was a joke,I was kidding,At less you got one right,Thank God]
Be assured that all noncatholics do not share this notion; we know that Jesus was and is God!
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rinnie
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I think I fell for it too:blush:
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Bill_Pick
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Thank You rinnie I also pray you are right both are very good girle and I stay on them all the time,with out trying not to be gripping at them,one is coming around but the other is notâŚOne has a Baptist preacher and he is coming around he has been reading John6 with a lot of questions and is agree with the bible verse Jam5;14-16 the annointing of the sick. I hope this is the right Bible verse
Bill I am not worried about your daughters. They have you. And you are a very good teacher for the word of God. You just love them with all your heart and soul and keep up that good fight. And I will pray with you for them girls. They will come home Bill, they have a wonderful Father and teacher
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adrift
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Jesus never spoke the word Trinity. That is a word that developed to express the teaching that Jesus gave us of Father Son and Holy Spirit. Likewise, the Scriptures speak of a purification or a purgation. This purgation developed into the word purgatory. Jesus said that nothing imperfect would enter heaven. Purgatory allows us imperfect people to become perfect. Without such a purgation there is no hope for us. Yes the Apostles transmitted it as Tradition.
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1beleevr
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]I would my love and thanks for asking. You gotta remember lB I married a protestant. My MIL is still protestant. And my very best friend is protestant. The only thing I could not do is receive communion. It is not allowed by my faith. But pray with you guys:thumbsup: Heck yeah I am in!
Sounds like this marriage is working out, in spite of your different beliefs!
I know many couples who do not share the same faith, but are both strong Christians, and good servants! And I believe that when Paul said not to be unequally yoked, he meant believer and non believer.Do you go back and forth to each otherâs churches?
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Javl
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Putting in my :twocents:, my wife is Methodist, my daughter is non-denominational, and both my brother-in-law and wife are Baptists. We do have discussions and they are learning about the True Church. Prayerfully, I pray that they all swim the Tiber, and soon.]
Sounds like this marriage is working out, in spite of your different beliefs!
So, please donât give up hope. God Bless.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
P.S. We have a very happy marriage and love each other deeply.
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1beleevr
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]Putting in my :twocents:, my wife is Methodist, my daughter is non-denominational, and both my brother-in-law and wife are Baptists. We do have discussions and they are learning about the True Church. Prayerfully, I pray that they all swim the Tiber, and soon.
So, please donât give up hope. God Bless.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
P.S. We have a very happy marriage and love each other deeply.
But, I know that even if she decides not to swim the tiber, you will still love and respect her! That is the beauty of being in Christ; He allows you to see people with His eyes, and accept them as they are, just like He does!:thumbsup:My wife and I are both nondenoms, but I have dated catholic women in the past. In fact, one of my past girlfriends had an aunt who accused me of causing her to leave the catholic church! Surprise auntie, she had already left when I met her!
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rinnie
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At first, 30 years ago]
Sounds like this marriage is working out, in spite of your different beliefs!
he went to his and I went to mine. He would go every other week. He understood why I could not miss mine because of the Eucharist. But I told him I would never ask him to give up his faith because I could not do the same. There was never anger or fighting over our faiths. I was 19 and he was 21 when we got married. When I look back we were very young.After a year he was comming to the CC more than the protestatant one. He said he learned more about God in the CC then he ever knew possible in the protestant. He said he wanted to change. I told him he had to be sure because once you are Catholic you are forever Catholic. And if he was doing it for his love for me and we would get divorced I would feel we used God. So if he swithched he had to be sure and it was forever. So we agreed he would go to RCIA and if he felt the same he could. And he did. He has been Catholic for the last 28 years. And a better one then I sometimes, (
)But my Dad gets most of the blame. My husband said he never saw anyone who had so much faith in God or so sure of a faith in his life, My Dad never talked negative about the Protestant Church. But his Dad hated the CC and the Pope. When he changed his Dad was so angry. His Mom to this day tries to get him to the PC. But now he helps Father alot at Church and we are getting involved in the Pastoral Council so now she lets it go. After 28 years
.But I am glad I married a protestant because he shows me when I am being unkind also and do not realize it when we talk about other faiths. HE tells me the things people used to say about Catholics also , and said its sad that people would lie about us like thatl But its okay and we love everyone no matter how they choose to worship God.
But I believe nothing happens in this world without a reason, and God puts us in eachothers lives regardless of our faith. Just like you and I lb and tweety also. I realize you and tweety may never come to become to accept all of the teachings of the CC. But thats no reason for us to be mean, or hate eachother. We can just explain what we do, why we do it and then pray for eachother and be friends.
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rinnie
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Javl trust me it will happen with the Grace of God. I never pushed or said anything. Just stayed firm in my faith. But here is how it will happen, questions will come up that the other dem. cannot answer. And then they will go to the CC and ask them. Then they will go to the bible and re-read the word of God. And then they will have those questions answered and they will become Catholics. It will be that once the truth is revealed to them they will see it for the first time. Just donât push for now, stay true to your faith, I learned live you faith more then preach it, and God can work through you.Putting in my :twocents:, my wife is Methodist, my daughter is non-denominational, and both my brother-in-law and wife are Baptists. We do have discussions and they are learning about the True Church. Prayerfully, I pray that they all swim the Tiber, and soon.
So, please donât give up hope. God Bless.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
P.S. We have a very happy marriage and love each other deeply.
And before you know it you guys will all be back home where it all began in the CC. But for now just be kind and patient and keep loving eachother deeply
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rinnie
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You are right lb noone can blame anyone for leaving the CC. We all have free will and you are not to blame. I will say one thing about the RCC. It will not accept people as they are when it comes to sin. Rather you hate them or love them they will not change the teaching because they cannot. ANd I will say it is the hardest faith to live up to. It does not teach that everyones getting in to heaven thats for sure. Actually it teaches us to take up our crosses daily, and it teaches us to repent and confess every single day.]
But, I know that even if she decides not to swim the tiber, you will still love and respect her! That is the beauty of being in Christ; He allows you to see people with His eyes, and accept them as they are, just like He does!:thumbsup:My wife and I are both nondenoms, but I have dated catholic women in the past. In fact, one of my past girlfriends had an aunt who accused me of causing her to leave the catholic church! Surprise auntie, she had already left when I met her!
Now that I think of it
Its like your parents in a way, It always shows you no matter what, you can always do better, be better. And trust me when you are Catholic people expect so much more of you, and I donât understand why. I never understood that. Its like because we are Catholic we canât be human.Even the Priest, If he drinks one beer he is a drunk, I think he has the hardest job in the world. Everyone goes to him when they have no where else to go, and expect him to fix their lives. But I guess it is what it is:shrug:
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rinnie
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Thats how it happens Bill. More preachers have said that they turned to the RCC by trying to prove it wrong. Look at Scott Hahn, etc. He said on his journey to the faith was trying to prove it wrong and could not do so. God works in such mysterious ways. And it may be YOU that shows a Baptist Preacher the Light. Who knows Bill. But just stay strong and be a good example and love them through it all. Because when it is all said and done it will be you unconditional love that they will remember most.
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Wesley7
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It isnt taught in Orthodoxy and the eastern orthodox Church. Toll Houses maybe?
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Vile_Servant
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âAnd whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to comeâ (Matthew 12:32)
the âworld to comeâ is eternity which all souls enter after death and judgement.
forgiveness of sin can take place in the world to come.
in the world to come, there exists 3 states;
- heaven, where souls do not need forgiveness.
- hell, where souls shall not be forgiven their sins.
- purgatory, where souls shall be forgiven ther sins.
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âFatherâ is a title now given to all priests in English speaking countries. Since a priest is the ordinary minister of the Sacrament of Baptism, by which Christians are reborn to the supernatural life of grace, he can appropriately be called a spiritual father.
Many seem to think that Catholics, in calling their priests âfatherâ, are violating the injunction of Christ: âAs for you, do not be called âRabbi,âYou have but one teacher, and you are all brothers. Call no one on earth your father; you have but one Father in heaven. Do not be called âMasterâ; you have but one master, the Messiahâ. (Matt. 23:8-10). However, from the context it is clear that this is not an absolute prohibition of the titles of Rabbi, Master, Teacher, or Father (all of which are put on the same level), but is a criticism of the Pharisees, who sought these titles from a motive of pride. Even Saint Paul did not hesitate to call himself the spiritual father of his converts (1 Cor. 4:15) and spoke of Timothy and Titus as his sons. According to Eph. 3:15, all fatherhood takes its name from the universal fatherhood of God.â
Above is taken from a Catholic Encyclopedia. According to âThe Jerome Biblical Commentary,â the use of the title âfatherâ began in monasteries as a form of address to the abbot as father of the monastic family. It was then extended to other monks who served as spiritual directors, and later generally applied to the clergy. There is no date given, but since the Rule of Benedict (circa 525) already speaks of the paternal role as typical, the use of âfatherâ probably began in the fifth century, if not earlier.
Additional comments taken from âCatholic Repliesâ:
âIf we consider the context of our Lordâs remarks, we see that He was denouncing the Pharisees for requiring people to perform hard tasks while avoiding such works themselves. Instead of helping people lighten their burdens, said Jesus, the Pharisees were âfond of places of honor at banquets and the front seats in synagogues, of marks of respect in public and of being called âRabbiââ. These titles were sought after since they would then be able to âlightenâ their work load, so to speak. This, some believe is the reason our Lord denounced them. Remember, He was only addressing the Pharisees at this time.
âAs to you,â Jesus told the crowds and His disciples, âavoid the title âRabbi.â. One among you is your teacher, the rest are learners. Do not call anyone on earth your father. Only one is your father, the One in heaven. Avoid being called teachers. Only one is your teacher, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be the one who serves the rest.â
Notice that Jesus also referred to âteachersâ. Isnât it strange that when some Protestants condemn us for calling our priests âfatherâ, they only quote that portion of scripture that refers to âfatherâ. They donât add that Jesus also said, avoid being called âteachersâ. I wonder why? I guess thatâs because they called their school instructors âteachersâ but never called their ministers âfatherâ. They donât want to condemn themselves for using the word âteachersâ.
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For people that do not understand the Bible that well from Cathloic Answer,
Perhaps the most pointed New Testament reference to the theology of the spiritual fatherhood of priests is Paulâs statement, âI do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospelâ (1 Cor. 4:14â15).
Peter followed the same custom, referring to Mark as his son: âShe who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings; and so does my son Markâ (1 Pet. 5:13). The apostles sometimes referred to entire churches under their care as their children. Paul writes, âHere for the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be a burden, for I seek not what is yours but you; for children ought not to lay up for their parents, but parents for their childrenâ (2 Cor. 12:14); and, âMy little children, with whom I am again in travail until Christ be formed in you!â (Gal. 4:19).
John said, âMy little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteousâ (1 John 2:1); âNo greater joy can I have than this, to hear that my children follow the truthâ (3 John 4). In fact, John also addresses men in his congregations as âfathersâ (1 John 2:13â14).
By referring to these people as their spiritual sons and spiritual children, Peter, Paul, and John imply their own roles as spiritual fathers. Since the Bible frequently speaks of this spiritual fatherhood, we Catholics acknowledge it and follow the custom of the apostles by calling priests âfather.â Failure to acknowledge this is a failure to recognize and honor a great gift God has bestowed on the Church: the spiritual fatherhood of the priesthood.
Catholics know that as members of a parish, they have been committed to a priestâs spiritual care, thus they have great filial affection for priests and call them âfather.â Priests, in turn, follow the apostlesâ biblical example by referring to members of their flock as âmy sonâ or âmy childâ (cf. Gal. 4:19; 1 Tim. 1:18; 2 Tim. 2:1; Philem. 10; 1 Pet. 5:13; 1 John 2:1; 3 John 4).
All of these passages were written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and they express the infallibly recorded truth that Christâs ministers do have a role as spiritual fathers. Jesus is not against acknowledging that. It is he who gave these men their role as spiritual fathers, and it is his Holy Spirit who recorded this role for us in the pages of Scripture. To acknowledge spiritual fatherhood is to acknowledge the truth, and no amount of anti-Catholic grumbling will change that fact.
Perhaps the most pointed New Testament reference to the theology of the spiritual fatherhood of priests is Paulâs statement, âI do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospelâ (1 Cor. 4:14â15).
Peter followed the same custom, referring to Mark as his son: âShe who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings; and so does my son Markâ (1 Pet. 5:13). The apostles sometimes referred to entire churches under their care as their children. Paul writes, âHere for the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be a burden, for I seek not what is yours but you; for children ought not to lay up for their parents, but parents for their childrenâ (2 Cor. 12:14); and, âMy little children, with whom I am again in travail until Christ be formed in you!â (Gal. 4:19).
John said, âMy little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteousâ (1 John 2:1); âNo greater joy can I have than this, to hear that my children follow the truthâ (3 John 4). In fact, John also addresses men in his congregations as âfathersâ (1 John 2:13â14).
By referring to these people as their spiritual sons and spiritual children, Peter, Paul, and John imply their own roles as spiritual fathers. Since the Bible frequently speaks of this spiritual fatherhood, we Catholics acknowledge it and follow the custom of the apostles by calling priests âfather.â Failure to acknowledge this is a failure to recognize and honor a great gift God has bestowed on the Church: the spiritual fatherhood of the priesthood.
Catholics know that as members of a parish, they have been committed to a priestâs spiritual care, thus they have great filial affection for priests and call them âfather.â Priests, in turn, follow the apostlesâ biblical example by referring to members of their flock as âmy sonâ or âmy childâ (cf. Gal. 4:19; 1 Tim. 1:18; 2 Tim. 2:1; Philem. 10; 1 Pet. 5:13; 1 John 2:1; 3 John 4).
All of these passages were written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and they express the infallibly recorded truth that Christâs ministers do have a role as spiritual fathers. Jesus is not against acknowledging that. It is he who gave these men their role as spiritual fathers, and it is his Holy Spirit who recorded this role for us in the pages of Scripture. To acknowledge spiritual fatherhood is to acknowledge the truth, and no amount of anti-Catholic grumbling will change that fact.
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1beleevr
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Believe it or not, this is one of the many reasons why I could never convert to catholicism! God is, has been, and will always be HOLY FATHER! I have no problems with catholics calling their priests, bishops, and the pope father, and would hope that they would afford me the same courtesy! Of course, when we mentor or teach someone in any field, we are acting as a father; hoping to steer them into truth, and knowledge. Paul, who had many charges under his tutelage, felt as though those whom he was shepherding, were as his"children". But I have always and will continue to call ONLY God, Holy Father. Seems awkwaed to say to a priest,âforgive me father, for I have sinned!â To God, yes, to a priest, no! With all due respect to the pope of course!
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