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:(Several years ago I read a newspaper article on the apparitions of Our Lady at Fatima.
Iam almost certain that when Lucia asked Our Lady if the children would go to heaven when they die, Our Lady said they would all go to heaven. When Lucia asked Our Lady about her friend Amelia, who had died, Our Lady said Amelia was in Purgatory, and would be there till the end of time. Now, I do not know how young or old Amelia was, till now 93 years seems a long time. Did I read the article correctly, or perhaps I do not quite grasp the concept of Purgatory.
 
:(Several years ago I read a newspaper article on the apparitions of Our Lady at Fatima.
Iam almost certain that when Lucia asked Our Lady if the children would go to heaven when they die, Our Lady said they would all go to heaven. When Lucia asked Our Lady about her friend Amelia, who had died, Our Lady said Amelia was in Purgatory, and would be there till the end of time. Now, I do not know how young or old Amelia was, till now 93 years seems a long time. Did I read the article correctly, or perhaps I do not quite grasp the concept of Purgatory.
What difference does it make? If I die and find myself in Purgatory I will be happy because it means I’m saved and no matter how long I have to spend there I know my ultimate destination will be Heaven.
 
:(Several years ago I read a newspaper article on the apparitions of Our Lady at Fatima.
Iam almost certain that when Lucia asked Our Lady if the children would go to heaven when they die, Our Lady said they would all go to heaven. When Lucia asked Our Lady about her friend Amelia, who had died, Our Lady said Amelia was in Purgatory, and would be there till the end of time. Now, I do not know how young or old Amelia was, till now 93 years seems a long time. Did I read the article correctly, or perhaps I do not quite grasp the concept of Purgatory.
Purgatory, like Heaven and Hell, are outside of time within Eternity.

Time has no meaning in these states.
 
What difference does it make? If I die and find myself in Purgatory I will be happy because it means I’m saved and no matter how long I have to spend there I know my ultimate destination will be Heaven.
I don’t know about that one. The Saints have described purgatory as being worse than any suffering imaginable on Earth. It’s basically Hell except it’s temporary and there isn’t despair (complete lack of God’s Love).

So yeah, if/when I’m in Purgatory, I’ll be happy I’m going to Heaven, but I definitely won’t be happy there.
 
:(Several years ago I read a newspaper article on the apparitions of Our Lady at Fatima.
Iam almost certain that when Lucia asked Our Lady if the children would go to heaven when they die, Our Lady said they would all go to heaven. When Lucia asked Our Lady about her friend Amelia, who had died, Our Lady said Amelia was in Purgatory, and would be there till the end of time. Now, I do not know how young or old Amelia was, till now 93 years seems a long time. Did I read the article correctly, or perhaps I do not quite grasp the concept of Purgatory.
Something got distorted again in the translations or paraphrasing, methinks. After the Final Judgement there will be only Heaven and Hell.
 
I think the Holy Mother was trying us. If we all prayed for that woman do you not think that God will then give her the Grace to enter Heaven. The fact that her name is mentioned is important because now you can pray for her. When the Holy Mother mentions that she will be there until the end of time I will probably think that the Holy Mother is saying she will be there until the end of time because no one specificly is praying for her release. Now the Holy Mother revealed to the 3 children certain events like the shooting of the Pope and the ernormous influences of communism. Yet these events in the end had a different ending to what the Holy Mother revealed. Why? Is it not because of those millions who have responded to the invitation of prayer so that these events may have a different ending. If the Holy Mother did not come I am sure the Pope would have died and Russia would have led us to a destructive ending. But Her requests were accepted and millions responded to prayer so that in the end the Pope survived the assination attempt and Russia will come out to be Holy Russia. So prayers can change it. Instead of reading out the statement that this person will be in Purgatory until the end of time do something about it and pray for her. Does the Mother of God have to explain everything to us. She is implying this person stay if we are not praying. Pray and I am sure she and I mean Amelia will get a different result.
 
Have you ever listened to the people who have had near death experiences?

Most are brought into a thoroughly warming white light of deep meditative peace.

And then, they’re yanked back to earth and reality. Most of them aren’t real happy 😛
 
:(Several years ago I read a newspaper article on the apparitions of Our Lady at Fatima.
Iam almost certain that when Lucia asked Our Lady if the children would go to heaven when they die, Our Lady said they would all go to heaven. When Lucia asked Our Lady about her friend Amelia, who had died, Our Lady said Amelia was in Purgatory, and would be there till the end of time. Now, I do not know how young or old Amelia was, till now 93 years seems a long time. Did I read the article correctly, or perhaps I do not quite grasp the concept of Purgatory.
If I remember correctly, “Amelia” was an adult friend of the family.
 
I don’t know about that one. The Saints have described purgatory as being worse than any suffering imaginable on Earth. It’s basically Hell except it’s temporary and there isn’t despair (complete lack of God’s Love).

So yeah, if/when I’m in Purgatory, I’ll be happy I’m going to Heaven, but I definitely won’t be happy there.
Its not like Hell. The Church teaches that.
 
Heaven is the heat of God’s love luxuriated by those holy enough to enjoy it.
Purgatory is the heat of God’s love experienced by those getting used to it.
Hell is the heat of God’s love suffered by those who refuse it.
 
:(Several years ago I read a newspaper article on the apparitions of Our Lady at Fatima.
Iam almost certain that when Lucia asked Our Lady if the children would go to heaven when they die, Our Lady said they would all go to heaven. When Lucia asked Our Lady about her friend Amelia, who had died, Our Lady said Amelia was in Purgatory, and would be there till the end of time. Now, I do not know how young or old Amelia was, till now 93 years seems a long time. Did I read the article correctly, or perhaps I do not quite grasp the concept of Purgatory.
The girl was about seventeen at the time of her death.
It has been said that countless prayers have hastened her early release from purgatory.
Purgatory, being the absence of God , is truly a terrifying location!
 
In the book “A Woman Clothed with the Sun: Eight Great Appearances of Our Lady” (edited by John J. Delaney, first published in 1961) there is a section on Our Lady of Fatima, written by Msgr. William C. McGrath. In it, he has a footnote to this very episode:

"For many years this ‘supposed’ statement of Our Lady was seriously called into question. Early books of Fatima had stated that Amelia was only seven years old and for a child of that tender age the verdict would have seemed harsh, indeed. In an interview with Lucy a few years ago Father Thomas McGlynn, O.P., propounded this difficulty. Her reply seemed to clarify the question: “Amelia was eighteen years old, Father, and, after all, for one mortal sin a soul may be in Hell forever.’”
 
If I ever make it to Confession, I’ll probably be in Purgatory until the Final Judgment. If not, I’ll be in the deepest, darkest, hottest pit of Hell forever. 😦
 
In chapter 10, “The Call to the daily recitation of the Rosary”, Sister Lucia wrote:

Hence, Our Lady’s reply to the question I asked her about that girl --Amelia-- was as follows: “She will be in purgatory until the end of the world.” This may seem a lot to us, but the mercy of God is always great. By our sins we have gravely offended Him and deserved hell! In spite of this, He forgives us and grants us time to pay for them and , by means of reparation and purification, to be saved. Moreover, He accepts the prayers and sacrifices that others offer to Him for the benefit of those who are in this place of expiation. (p.131)
 
From what I have read a few minutes in Purgatory can seem like years.

That is part of why we must practice real penance in this life, and seek indulgences.

Rev. F.X. Schouppe’s book ‘Purgatory’ contains some speculation on how long one might be in Purgatory:

'Father Mumford, of the Company of Jesus, in his “Treatise on Charity towards the Departed,” bases the long duration of Purgatory on a calculation of probability, which we shall give in substance. He goes out on the principle that, according to the words of the Holy Ghost, The just man falls seven times a day, that is to say, that even those who apply themselves most perfectly to the service of God, notwithstanding their good-will, commit a great number of faults in the infinitely pure eyes of God. We have but to enter into our own conscience, and there analyse before God our thoughts, our words, and works, to be convinced of this sad effect of human misery. Oh! how easy it is to lack respect in prayer, to prefer our ease to the accomplishment of duty, to sin by vanity, by impatience, by sensuality, by uncharitable thoughts and words, by want of conformity to the will of God! The day is long; is it very difficult for even a virtuous person to commit, I do not say seven, but twenty or thirty of this kind of faults and imperfections?

Let us take a moderate estimate, and suppose that you commit about ten faults a day; at the end of 365 days you will have a sum of 3650 faults. Let us diminish, and, to facilitate the calculation, place it at 3000 per year. At the end of ten years this will amount to 30,000, and at the end of twenty years to 60,000. Suppose that of these 60,000 faults you have expiated one half by penance and good works, there will still remain 30,000 to be atoned for.

Let us continue our hypothesis: You die after these twenty years of virtuous life, and appear before God with a debt of 30,000 faults, which you must discharge in Purgatory. How much time will you need to accomplish this expiation? Suppose, on an average, each fault requires one hour of Purgatory. This measure is very moderate, if we judge by the revelations of the saints; but at any rate this will give you a Purgatory of 30,000 hours. Now, do you know how many years these 30,000 hours represent? Three years, three months, and fifteen days. Thus a good Christian who watches over himself, who applies himself to penance and good works, finds himself liable to three years, three months, and fifteen days of Purgatory.

The preceding calculation is based on an estimate which is lenient in the extreme. Now, if you extend the duration of the pain, and, instead of an hour, you take a day for the expiation of a fault, if, instead of having nothing but venial sins, you bring before God a debt resulting from mortal sins, more or less numerous, which you formerly committed, if you assign, on the average, as St. Frances of Rome says, seven years for the expiation of one mortal sin, remitted as to the guilt, who does not see that we arrive at an appalling duration, and that the expiation may easily be prolonged for many years, and even for centuries?’
 
If I ever make it to Confession, I’ll probably be in Purgatory until the Final Judgment. (
Not unless you obtain a few indulgences for yourself while you’re still alive. Or have someone else obtain them for you after you die. It helps to have a lot of Catholic friends. 😉
 
if, instead of having nothing but venial sins, you bring before God a debt resulting from mortal sins, more or less numerous, which you formerly committed, if you assign, on the average, as St. Frances of Rome says, seven years for the expiation of one mortal sin, remitted as to the guilt, who does not see that we arrive at an appalling duration, and that the expiation may easily be prolonged for many years, and even for centuries?’
This is very scary to me. How hard for someone who comes to Christ later in life then. 😦 Can someone explain in very SIMPLE terms indulgences? I’ve tried reading some articles and find it all very confusing.
 
This is very scary to me. How hard for someone who comes to Christ later in life then. 😦 Can someone explain in very SIMPLE terms indulgences? I’ve tried reading some articles and find it all very confusing.
Every sin owes a debt of penance. We are to, as repentant sinners do penance for our sins throughout all our lives.

Just like criminals being due a certain amount of corporal punishment for their crimes, a certain number of strokes of the cane, a certain number of days of harsh prison confinement, etc. In fact precisely so. It is a debt of punishment.

Penances can be and are most fittingly the opposite of what what the sin is. If we have sinned through gluttony, we should fast and give up even good food we could eat without sin, if we have sinned through anger, we should be meek and give up even lawful anger, sinned through a love of comfort, give up comforts and do what is difficult, etc…

Traditional penances are also, corporal and internal mortification, pilgrimages, prayers, etc.

The saints practiced penitential acts throughout their lives, and Christ’s life was one of sorrow and penance, though He was innocent. The merit of these penances considered all together were superabundant, more than enough.

Since there is an overflowing treasury of penance through Christ and His saints…

So, we can ask for indulgences, so that their penances can make up for ours. What this means is, the stripes we are due, the pains we are due, someone else has done, and we ask for the indulgence of God and the Church that they pay our just punishment instead of us.

And so the Church gives indulgences to certain prayers and acts, which gives them additional penitential worth to make up for the penalty due our sins.

The Holy Souls in purgatory did not sufficient do penance in this life. Therefor, they are detained in purgatory to be punished and make up for the lack of penance they did not do in this life.

We can ask that the indulgences we gain on this earth towards the punishment we are due for our sins, be applied to them too, to shorten their time in purgatory.

Since purgatorial penance is far more terrible than the penance we do in this life, this is a very charitable and worthwhile act, and we gain friends in Heaven by this charity.

So it is very simple. We are due punishment, the saints did more than enough penance, Christ did so, we substitute their punishments for ours, letting them take the strokes we are due. If this troubles a person, that is understandable… and should make a person all the more penitential, so rather than only gaining indulgences, one is part of the gift of them in the next life.
 
This is very scary to me. How hard for someone who comes to Christ later in life then. 😦 Can someone explain in very SIMPLE terms indulgences? I’ve tried reading some articles and find it all very confusing.
Conversion is a lifelong process… The more we convert the more we look back and find…! Be brave and do your best! 🙂
 
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