That is true but what is in Scripture is the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth and Jesus said to take things to the Church, so if that is the case and the Church led by the Holy Spirit said she was an ever virgin, she was an ever virgin.
Yes, but married couples have sex in no way diminishes purity. I think that is the rub for many. If Mary and Joseph did indeed have marital relations, she would still be the gold standard for purity.
Virginity is the greater sacrifice in the long run so it is the higher standard and it more perfectly resembles God and Jesus who both never had carnal relations. The marriage to the Church is spiritual in nature, so its different qualities don’t make for a counterexample.
I disagree that virginity is the greater sacrifice and that it is a higher standard… I know you disagree and the many in Church disagree. I believe that a mother and father of five or six kids struggling through the upbringing of those children is significantly more difficult than a single man or woman abstaining from sex…
That’s a different thing altogether.
Virginity isn’t lost by being married.
That is one tradition. Some say that tradition began because of this very argument but there is also some tradition that he was young and unmarried and a consecrated virgin.
Thank you for this, first time learning about it:Pai_Nosso:
Where does it clearly STATE that? I haven’t read those words anywhere.
The word until does not always mean something happened after. Jesus said He would be with us until the end of time. Will He stop being with us after then end of time?
You are looking at it through the eyes of the world and our times, rather than the eyes of God…
There is some tradition that says that Joseph was also a consecrated virgin. There is also an approved apparition of St. Joseph where he appears with the Blessed Mother and he confirms his own purity and deep love for Jesus and Mary.
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/joseph-pronechen/st.-joseph-appeared-in-the-united-states
If her husband is being obedient to God and that is what God says for him and her to do, which apparently God did, then absolutely she is being submissive to him.
No, it dates back to St. Jerome, so that is not so recent. I don’t get the big stretch either. If Mary can become with child without relations with a man and believe that anything is possible with God, I don’t see the impossible here either
How so?
It the primary end of marriage is procreation, then, generally speaking, virginity being lost is implied. Of course their are exceptions, but we don’t make rules based on exceptions, we make rules based on norms.
And the tradition I mentioned dates tab least two centuries before that.C.Longinus:
No, it dates back to St. Jerome.
A couple could put their children for adoption and a virgin could adopt them so logically since these positions aren’t exclusive it relates to a different aspect. Taking care of children is a different virtue anyways.
It’s a counterexample and it shows that virginity relates only to the experience of one thing.
Perhaps but St.Jerome is not fairly recent and is a doctor of the Church. St. Athanasius also held to the same belief and also a doctor of the Church. I go with that.
You’re welcome. I think it is awesome.
That seems like a disintegrated way to view it…