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Gabriella_San_S
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…and, whether we agree or disagree, how** our** tax money is being spent** without our **consent.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Nope.
Oil is the engine that drives this economy, not modern-day marxists putting their yoke of oppression on all of us and crippling both ingenuity and free enterprise.
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b_ulmen
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The bishops are wrong to get into this politcal mess. Climate change or global warming, whatever your choice of descritpion, is NOT a moral or spiritual issue and has no direct affect on the Church. It is a scientifc issue of much dispute. the bishops have more important matters directly related to thier charge they ougt to be concentrating on.
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4elise
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AND this then is where the discussion should be - WHAT actions will or will not impact the poor - if we can get beyond the constant entanglement of this discussion Catholics can make such a great difference because we aren’t just interested in the bottom line - we are interested in who is at the bottom and how they can be helped.
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4elise
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and yet - the need to protect the poor in HOW this will be addressed IS a moral issue.
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4elise
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As someone living in the United States - we can disagree with how our tax money is spent - then when it is time to vote again we vote in different people - but what we have is a representative government - the ones elected by the majority of the people - get to decide how our money is spent - so you may disagree with what is done with your own tax $s but your only recourse is your vote. (and your letters, e-mails etc. loudly expressing your opinion so those already elected and representing you - know how you feel! )
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Al_Masetti
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Yup. You are hung out to dry.
Not to worry. We have NO IDEA what is in those other 1199 pages. So one of those provisions might get you first.
Unhappily, this legislation is real. And it will bite you. AND it will hurt the poor worse. [Who do you think buys old junker cars? The poor! And who lives in ****** mobile homes? The poor!] Sigh.
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Al_Masetti
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Just found this on another site:
There are several good articles over on the “Whats Up With That” web site (wattsupwiththat.com/ - voted Best Science Blog for 2009) that give a good history of the EPA’s endangerment finding on CO2 and Alan Carlin’s suppressed/censored internal report. You may have to page down to find them (look for: “RELEASED The censored EPA CO2 endangerment document – final report”, “CARBONGATE – Global Warming Study Censored by EPA” and “Source inside EPA confirms claims of science being ignored, suppressed, by top EPA management”).
Along with the suppressed Carlin report, there have been several documents submitted to the EPA during their (limited) public response period for the endangerment finding. Both Steve McIntyre at “Climate Audit” (climateaudit.org – voted Best Science Blog for 2008) and the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) have sent rather detailed responses to the EPA that are posted online. Steve’s submission can be found at: climateaudit.org/pdf/McIntyre_Submission_to_EPA.pdf. The CEI response can be found at: cei.org/cei_files/fm/active/0/Endangerment%20Comments%206-23-09.pdf.
We should soon be able to tell just how hard "the fix is in” for the administration’s proposals on global warming and the CO2 cap & trade legislation. Just watch for the EPA’s response to the above submissions. I imagine they want the billions in future revenue from the cap & trades to pay for health care and their other programs, and, they could care less about the accuracy of the science. So, they will probably just get the EPA to bury those submissions and worry about any public interest law suits when they come.
There are several good articles over on the “Whats Up With That” web site (wattsupwiththat.com/ - voted Best Science Blog for 2009) that give a good history of the EPA’s endangerment finding on CO2 and Alan Carlin’s suppressed/censored internal report. You may have to page down to find them (look for: “RELEASED The censored EPA CO2 endangerment document – final report”, “CARBONGATE – Global Warming Study Censored by EPA” and “Source inside EPA confirms claims of science being ignored, suppressed, by top EPA management”).
Along with the suppressed Carlin report, there have been several documents submitted to the EPA during their (limited) public response period for the endangerment finding. Both Steve McIntyre at “Climate Audit” (climateaudit.org – voted Best Science Blog for 2008) and the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) have sent rather detailed responses to the EPA that are posted online. Steve’s submission can be found at: climateaudit.org/pdf/McIntyre_Submission_to_EPA.pdf. The CEI response can be found at: cei.org/cei_files/fm/active/0/Endangerment%20Comments%206-23-09.pdf.
We should soon be able to tell just how hard "the fix is in” for the administration’s proposals on global warming and the CO2 cap & trade legislation. Just watch for the EPA’s response to the above submissions. I imagine they want the billions in future revenue from the cap & trades to pay for health care and their other programs, and, they could care less about the accuracy of the science. So, they will probably just get the EPA to bury those submissions and worry about any public interest law suits when they come.
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Gabriella_San_S
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This is still discouraging, I’m afraid. I always vote for Life issues and that hasn’t seemed to help, as the culture seems to be moving closer to a great cataclysmic event for the enormity
of it’s sins. I believe the purification would be welcome now, for the poor, the rich and the in-between. Maranatha! Come Lord Jesus, and renew the face of the earth!
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jmtowle
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I live in the Sonoran desert just outside of Tucson, Az.
There are two things I have observed over the 32 years I have lived here;
First,
For the entire 32 years, university researchers and for profit companies have been attempting to produce affordable solar energy, unsuccessfully. What if it simply isn’t possible to harness the sun’s energy in a manner that all or most citizens can afford? Or, what if God hasn’t given us the person or persons with the knowledge of affordable alternative energy and that there is enough oil and coal to tide us over until that knowledge becomes available?. Doesn’t anyone think it is wasteful not to use the oil and coal and natural gas we have under our soil? God gave us Henry Ford and vast amounts of crude oil and refining technology, should we not use those God given resources right up to the point of it no longer being affordable to the masses? If there is 20 or 30 years worth of crude oil to be mined from our soil, why leave it in the ground. If you are going to use man made global warming as the reason, you need convince most of the scientists this isn’t a theory but exacting science. It is my understanding that literally thousands of accredited scientists do not agree that global warming is man made or that our use of these fossil fuels contributes to global warming. Before we leap into the unknown world of alternative energy and leave to waste resources we know we have and know to be affordable, lets come up with and make public knowledge, science that is irrefutable amongst the scientists who professionally study such things.
Secondly,
Over the past 32 years the seasons have varied dramatically. I’m in construction and have worked outdoors for most of these years and the last 3 or 4 have been merciful compared to some of the summers in the 70’s and 80’s. The winters have been colder lately and we have had snow here in Vail,Az. ( elev. 3,200 ft ) the past three years. If the measuring devices were to be placed on my property, global cooling would be the conclusion one might come to. Actually, the placement of the measuring devices is critical to the results and those actual placements should be public knowledge. If those placements are unreasonable, new , more reasonable placements should be made and those results revisited periodically, for a more accurate picture of what is actually occurring.
I’m not interested in what politicians think, red or blue. I just want accurate. public information from all the professional scientists so that I may study their reasoning and decide for myself how best to steward God’s gifts.
May the peace of Christ be with us all, always
JT
There are two things I have observed over the 32 years I have lived here;
First,
For the entire 32 years, university researchers and for profit companies have been attempting to produce affordable solar energy, unsuccessfully. What if it simply isn’t possible to harness the sun’s energy in a manner that all or most citizens can afford? Or, what if God hasn’t given us the person or persons with the knowledge of affordable alternative energy and that there is enough oil and coal to tide us over until that knowledge becomes available?. Doesn’t anyone think it is wasteful not to use the oil and coal and natural gas we have under our soil? God gave us Henry Ford and vast amounts of crude oil and refining technology, should we not use those God given resources right up to the point of it no longer being affordable to the masses? If there is 20 or 30 years worth of crude oil to be mined from our soil, why leave it in the ground. If you are going to use man made global warming as the reason, you need convince most of the scientists this isn’t a theory but exacting science. It is my understanding that literally thousands of accredited scientists do not agree that global warming is man made or that our use of these fossil fuels contributes to global warming. Before we leap into the unknown world of alternative energy and leave to waste resources we know we have and know to be affordable, lets come up with and make public knowledge, science that is irrefutable amongst the scientists who professionally study such things.
Secondly,
Over the past 32 years the seasons have varied dramatically. I’m in construction and have worked outdoors for most of these years and the last 3 or 4 have been merciful compared to some of the summers in the 70’s and 80’s. The winters have been colder lately and we have had snow here in Vail,Az. ( elev. 3,200 ft ) the past three years. If the measuring devices were to be placed on my property, global cooling would be the conclusion one might come to. Actually, the placement of the measuring devices is critical to the results and those actual placements should be public knowledge. If those placements are unreasonable, new , more reasonable placements should be made and those results revisited periodically, for a more accurate picture of what is actually occurring.
I’m not interested in what politicians think, red or blue. I just want accurate. public information from all the professional scientists so that I may study their reasoning and decide for myself how best to steward God’s gifts.
May the peace of Christ be with us all, always
JT
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JimG
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Probably the best way to produce energy in the same way that the sun does is through nuclear fusion. But we do not yet have that capability. We are able to use nuclear fission to power electric generating plants; and if we insist on not using our oil and gas, then we ought to be building many more nuclear generating plants.
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jmtowle
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Looks like Al’s post # 205 is an example of what I’m after. If you are an honest person, you will read this information and consider the implications. If scientific information is being dismissed or buried rather than contributing to the ongoing debate, we all are being robbed of our ability to reason from a fully informed position. We are being let down by the people responsible for informing us of the objective truth, newscasters and politicians. This entire man made global warming theory stinks of political ideology, it stinks to high heaven.
May the Peace of Christ be with us all, always
JT
May the Peace of Christ be with us all, always
JT
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4elise
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For the same reasons we continue to fight and vote for Life issues - we must continue to work to have our voices heard on ALL issues - and not just hang on for the ‘great cataclysmic event’ — if everyone just throws in the towel we will give up not only our voice but the ability to be the hands of Christ in the world today. This is why I think it is SO important to make sure we work together - and why I really count on the leadership that I see coming from the Church in the form of the Catholic Coalition on Climate Change.
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4elise
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I was wondering who votes for the ‘best science blog of 2009’?
From what I can see this is just public voting where anyone who reads blogs can vote, so I don’t see how this ‘award’ would seem to warrant any additional validity to the ‘science’ since the award rules note:
- You may vote once every 24 hours in each poll.
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Al_Masetti
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Solar is too diffuse to “harvest” successfully. It’s just not “dense” enough for electricity. And you need storage, which still has not been successfully developed. You CAN harvest the sun … to heat water and air on a small scale, on a DIY basis. The Israeli’s have been able to make the desert bloom, but it’s not Politically Correct to mention that.
The University of Arizona’s Office of Arid Land Studies and also the National Academy of Sciences had done some excellent work on “harvesting” the sun in desert climates. But that was some years ago. Haven’t seen any followup. There are plants that can be harvested for oil, rubber, and food. And water management techniques.
www.energyadvocate.com
Get the paper newsletter.
and this book:
energyadvocate.com/ordrbook.htm
There is almost an infinite supply of methane [basically natural gas] in the United States [about a 600 year supply]… including in Alaska. And there is a much larger source of methane in gaseous and solid state hydrides in the ocean below 1500 feet of depth and on the bottom of the ocean. We just need some genius and some financial incentives to harvest them.
www.energyvictory.net for into on methane as fuel
Alaska can deliver new sources of oil in a year (not ten years). They just need a 70 mile pipeline from ANWR to Prudhoe Bay [six months] and some slant drill wells [wells take a month to drill]
We can build nuclear reactors in five years or less. And there are a lot of new designs. The French get 80% of their electricity from nuclear; the US only 20%. The reason is that the US stopped because of lawsuits and protests. The French kept working at it. We also do not reprocess our nuclear fuel [our failure to reprocess is just throwing money away].
And we need to continue research on fusion.
Also visit www.oism.org for “Access To Energy”, in my opinion the best paper newsletter out there. Back issues are available to read on-line.
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Al_Masetti
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By the way, when you visit www.energyadvocate.com … scroll down to the bottom of the home page. Lots of great stuff there.
There are TONS of useful science and popularly written science Web sites with all different slants and relative ease of understanding.
Here is one that most folks have not heard of.
ddponline.org/taxonomy/term/3 and mouse around.
If you’re going to be in Denver … July 31 - August 2, 2009, consider attending the DDP annual meeting. Excellent speakers. Field trip.
ddponline.org/node/2
There are TONS of useful science and popularly written science Web sites with all different slants and relative ease of understanding.
Here is one that most folks have not heard of.
ddponline.org/taxonomy/term/3 and mouse around.
If you’re going to be in Denver … July 31 - August 2, 2009, consider attending the DDP annual meeting. Excellent speakers. Field trip.
ddponline.org/node/2
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Calliso
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Yeah getting voted the best science blog is pretty meaningless. I mean like you said anyone can vote and apparently people can vote more then once. And it would be nice maybe if voting was a bit more restricted or limited to once per person. But really it doesn;t really matter it;s a blog.
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4elise
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Gabriella_San_S
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I believe the way to have our voices heard, par excellance, is a** full-throated cry to heaven** and many acts of penance. We can also be better stewards with the resources that we’ve been blessed with, and we can become holy and devoted to the will of God in our lives.This is how we will** “restore all things in Christ…”** as we await with joy, the coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ!
To try and convince “all of the people” about the effects and resolutions of the potential problems of “global climate changes” while the political and** moral** “climate” is reeling out of control and* off the charts*, is far fetched-at best. Maybe if we get our priorities in order first,(“seeking the Kingdom”) all these “other things will be added to us…”
I do appreciate your zeal, though, I was young and eager about many things like you, once. I’ve been to jail for trying to protect babies from being killed by abortion; I’ve been to jail for carrying a cross onto the property of a large nuclear weapons contractor on Good Friday; I’ve volunteered to live with and serve the homeless in D.C.; and used cloth diapers for my nine children to “save the environment”.
But the best way that I’ve come to know peace and truth, is the time I’ve spent on my knees in prayer. Activism has it’s place-but it is secondary to holiness.
God bless you.
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4elise
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Thanks for the assumption I am young!! — and MANY THANKS FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE in the good fight!I believe the way to have our voices heard, par excellance, is a** full-throated cry to heaven** and many acts of penance. We can also be better stewards with the resources that we’ve been blessed with, and we can become holy and devoted to the will of God in our lives.This is how we will** “restore all things in Christ…”** as we await with joy, the coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ!
To try and convince “all of the people” about the effects and resolutions of the potential problems of “global climate changes” while the political and** moral** “climate” is reeling out of control and* off the charts*, is far fetched-at best. Maybe if we get our priorities in order first,(“seeking the Kingdom”) all these “other things will be added to us…”
I do appreciate your zeal, though, I was young and eager about many things like you, once. I’ve been to jail for trying to protect babies from being killed by abortion; I’ve been to jail for carrying a cross onto the property of a large nuclear weapons contractor on Good Friday; I’ve volunteered to live with and serve the homeless in D.C.; and used cloth diapers for my nine children to “save the environment”.
But the best way that I’ve come to know peace and truth, is the time I’ve spent on my knees in prayer. Activism has it’s place-but it is secondary to holiness.
God bless you.
You are a true example to everyone of “living one’s conscious!!”You may be ready to hand the baton on to the next runner but surly you can not diminish the contribution your efforts make - had you not stood tall for the unborn, the homeless, the environment - how much worse would it be today? Just because we can not see the end results of our efforts is not meant to stay our hand… I love the words of the prayer of Archbishop Romero:
It helps, now and then, to step back and take a long view.
The kingdom is not only beyond our efforts,
it is even beyond our vision.
We accomplish in our lifetime only a tiny fraction
of the magnificent enterprise that is God’s work.
Nothing we do is complete, which is a way of saying
that the kingdom always lies beyond us.
No statement says all that could be said.
No prayer fully expresses our faith.
No confession brings perfection.
No pastoral visit brings wholeness.
No program accomplishes the church’s mission.
No set of goals and objectives includes everything.
It may be incomplete,
but it is a beginning, a step along the way,
an opportunity for the Lord’s grace to enter and do the rest.
We may never see the end results, but that is the difference
between the master builder and the worker.
We are workers, not master builders; ministers, not messiahs.
We are prophets of a future not our own.
This is what we are about.
We plant the seeds that one day will grow.
We water seeds already planted,
knowing that they hold future promise.
We lay foundations that will need further development.
We provide yeast that produces far beyond our capabilities.
We cannot do everything, and there is a sense of liberation
in realizing that. This enables us to do something,
and to do it very well.
Amen.
Wishing you blessings and rewards for all your labors even though you may never see the end result know that your efforts are not unnoticed by the Master Builder - and NOW your prayers continue to water the seeds!
Peace
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