Putting Catholic faith into action on climate change

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the Catholic organization Caritas Internationalis, a delegation of Catholic bishops and climate experts brought a message of urgency and “moral responsibility” for climate action to world leaders and asking them to “focus on the poorest people.” The delegation was lead by Cardinal Keith O’Brien, Archbishop of St. Andrews and Edinburgh, and included bishops from Europe, Africa, and Latin America.
If and when we have bishops who can make a contribution to the science involved their opinions might be interesting, but until then their opinions on global warming are no more significant than their opinions on … heliocentrism.

Ender
 
If and when we have bishops who can make a contribution to the science involved their opinions might be interesting, but until then their opinions on global warming are no more significant than their opinions on … heliocentrism.

Ender
Originally Posted by 4elise View Post
the Catholic organization Caritas Internationalis, a delegation of Catholic bishops and climate experts brought a message of urgency and “moral responsibility” for climate action to world leaders and asking them to*** “focus on the poorest people.”*** The delegation was lead by Cardinal Keith O’Brien, Archbishop of St. Andrews and Edinburgh, and included bishops from Europe, Africa, and Latin America.
This is the focus of the work of the Church -
 
This is the focus of the work of the Church -
It has nothing to do with the work of the Church.

Humans don’t impact the temperature of our planet.

Our planet warms and cools due to solar activity variations.

CO2 levels have been much higher in earth’s history than they are today with no negative consequences. In fact, higher CO2 levels will contribute to a greener environment because more CO2 increases the rate of plant growth.
 
It has nothing to do with the work of the Church. Humans don’t impact the temperature of our planet. Our planet warms and cools due to solar activity variations.

CO2 levels have been much higher in earth’s history than they are today with no negative consequences. In fact, higher CO2 levels will contribute to a greener environment because more CO2 increases the rate of plant growth.
In an May 10 statement to the U.N. Economic and Social Council’s Commission on Sustainable Development on “Turning Political Commitments into Action, Working together in Partnership,” Archbishop Celestino Migliore, apostolic nuncio of the Holy See’s permanent mission to the U.N., stressed that the scientific evidence for global warming and mankind’s role in the increase of greenhouse gasses “becomes ever more unimpeachable” and its effects already impacting the world community.
“The consequences of climate change are being felt not only in the environment, but in the entire socio-economic system, Archbishop Migliore said, noting that “such activity has a profound relevance, not just for the environment, but in ethical, economic, social and political terms as well.”
Global warming, he said, “will impact first and foremost the poorest and weakest who, even if they are among the least responsible for global warming, are the most vulnerable because they have limited resources or live in areas at greater risk.”
The issues surrounding climate change are far-reaching, the Vatican nuncio said, pointing to the connection between it and the drive to acquire and consume energy and water resources and protecting human health and the environment.
“The earth is our common heritage and we have a grave and far-reaching responsibility to ourselves and to future generations,” he said.
The international community, Archbishop Migliore said, must come to terms to establish a “common, global, long-term energy strategy, capable of satisfying legitimate short- and medium-term energy requirements, ensuring energy security, protecting human health and the environment and establishing precise commitments to address the question of climate change.”
The nuncio spoke with some urgency, noting that the U.N. Security Council recently dealt with the relationship of energy, security and climate change.
“We are already witnessing struggles for the control of strategic resources such as oil and fresh water, both of which are becoming ever scarcer,” he said.
“If we refuse to build sustainable economies now, we will continue to drift towards more tensions and conflicts over resources,” Archbishop Migliore warned, pointing to “many of the most vulnerable societies already facing energy problems” “and to the threatened “very existence of coastal peoples and small island states.”
To meet the “double challenge” of climate change and the need for “ever greater energy resources, the nuncio called for the world community to embrace more sustainable development in which there is a much closer link between “natural ecology, or respect for nature, and human ecology.”
“We will have to change our present model from one of the heedless pursuit of economic growth in the name of development, towards a model which heeds the consequences of its actions and is more respectful towards the creation we hold in common, coupled with an integral human development for present and future generations,” he said.
“Experience shows that disregard for the environment harms human coexistence,” the archbishop said, adding that the international community must make the connection between making “peace with creation and peace among nations.”
He stressed the importance of technology and education to build a more sustainable economy.
“Economic growth does not have to mean greater consumption,” Archbishop Migliore said. “It does however mean that we will need technology, ingenuity, determined political will and common sense.”
He added that it will also mean the transference of technology to developing countries “to the benefit of the entire global community.”
But beyond the development of technology and the “political will” to collaborate internationally, education at the level of each nation is required to ensure that the mankind “approach our daily patterns of consumption and production in a very different way.”
“Through such education, states can help their citizens grasp the urgency of what must be done, teaching them in turn to expect and demand a very different approach to their own consumption and that around them,” he said.
He noted that “we cannot simply uninvent the modern world,” but that there is the chance to remedy the “worldwide, unprecedented ecological changes” already taking place.
“None of us can foresee fully the consequences of man’s industrial activity over the recent centuries,” he noted. “But there is still time to use technology and education to promote universally sustainable development before it is too late.
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You are missing the point.

Being good stewards of the earth is something the Church should support.

Worrying about CO2 emissions is not.

CO2 is not a pollutant. In fact, it is coming out of your nose while you read this.

CO2 is a necessary component of our atmosphere. CO2 levels have been much higher than they are today in our planets history.

Those who claim that CO2 is a problem are either lying or they are ignorant.

CO2 is plant food, not pollution.
 
You are missing the point.

Being good stewards of the earth is something the Church should support.
Worrying about CO2 emissions is not.
CO2 is not a pollutant. In fact, it is coming out of your nose while you read this.
CO2 is a necessary component of our atmosphere. CO2 levels have been much higher than they are today in our planets history.
Those who claim that CO2 is a problem are either lying or they are ignorant.
CO2 is plant food, not pollution.
This is not a thread about CO2
This is a thread about putting Catholic faith into action on climate change
There has been a lot of discussion on this thread about what should be done - and the Church encourages discussions that keep the needs of the poor at the heart.
We can all make personal choices that can and do make a difference, and we have a responsibility to our Gift of Creation and to our children and grandchildren to do something!
 
This is not a thread about CO2
This is a thread about putting Catholic faith into action on climate change
There has been a lot of discussion on this thread about what should be done - and the Church encourages discussions that keep the needs of the poor at the heart.
We can all make personal choices that can and do make a difference, and we have a responsibility to our Gift of Creation and to our children and grandchildren to do something!
There is no doubt that iindustralization has resulted in the fouling of the air. Fossil fuels do create smog etc. But they are also taking about the exhaustion of the supply of oil. Presumably when the oil runs out, that cause will go away. But, really, behind much of the talk is the conviction that human beings are spoiling the planet; that we eventually get to a “Solyent Green” type of situation. But I canot get over the feeling that much is this is the fear of elites of being overwhelmed by the masses. Notice they do nothing to live simpler lives.
 
This is not a thread about CO2
This is a thread about putting Catholic faith into action on climate change
There has been a lot of discussion on this thread about what should be done - and the Church encourages discussions that keep the needs of the poor at the heart.
We can all make personal choices that can and do make a difference, and we have a responsibility to our Gift of Creation and to our children and grandchildren to do something!
Of course it is about CO2.

The political left is attacking America and the industrialized world by trying to limit CO2 emissions.

It is political, not scientific. Don’t fall into their trap.

Our climate is always changing. If it stops changing, then there is a problem.

Humans have nothing to do with it.

You are supporting a cause that will hurt billions of people if it is allowed to gain more power and influence.
 
I have seen dozens, perhaps hundreds of competing scientific studies relating to global warming (now called “claimate change”, I think, because it’s demonstrably getting cooler). I have personally been through periods of significant climate change, some of which lasted for years. My grandfather told me of other ones, with both our memories together going back 100+ years. I’m not sure there’s anything new or urgent about climate change, or anything manmade about it. At minimum, it’s a debateable proposition.

What does not seem debateable is that if the U.S. does things like “cap and trade”, it’s going to increase costs of living for everyone. Nor does it appear that China or India (China shoves more CO2 into the atmosphere than we do.) have any intention of going along.

I’m not the most knowledgeable fellow in the world, but I also know there are wars all over the place, with casualties in the millions. I know there is desertification in north africa due to stripping the landscape of trees. I know there is starvation in Haiti and in other places. I know there are murderous dictators in at least half the countries of the world.

To me, climate change, if it’s real and manmade, does not loom very large compared to the other problems we KNOW are manmade, and about which we might really be able to do something.

It sometimes seems to me that there is a tendency to focus on things that are trendy and popular, and to ignore tough problems that have been around for a long time. I really don’t think we ought to do that.

How about, for example, deciding we’ll take a look at climate change again AFTER we have whipped poverty in Haiti, stopped genocide in Africa and removed dictators from Zimbabwe, Venezuela and the many other places where people are tortured and killed for no good reason at all?
 
This is not a thread about CO2
This is a thread about putting Catholic faith into action on climate change
This comment is true and makes the distinction that has to be kept in mind. Although no thread that includes the topic of climate change can help veering off into the question of whether man is in any way responsible, this thread is not about that. It is specifically about whether there is a way to put one’s faith into action on this topic. The question has been answered before but as the thread continues regardless, it may be useful to answer it again.

There is no specifically Catholic response to climate change.

As Catholics we are obligated to care for the poor, but, as there is no definitive answer to the question of whether man can affect the climate, there is no particular action we are morally obligated to take. If one believes the theory is valid then he might find himself obligated to support Cap-and-Trade on the expectation that in the long run this will benefit mankind. For those of us who disbelieve the theory, we are morally justified in opposing C&T because of the undeniably adverse short term consequences with no expectation of long term benefit to justify the cost.

Hopefully, having learned something from the Galileo affair, the Church will not get back into the business of making moral statements about scientific theories.

Ender
 
This comment is true and makes the distinction that has to be kept in mind. Although no thread that includes the topic of climate change can help veering off into the question of whether man is in any way responsible, this thread is not about that. It is specifically about whether there is a way to put one’s faith into action on this topic. The question has been answered before but as the thread continues regardless, it may be useful to answer it again.

There is no specifically Catholic response to climate change.

As Catholics we are obligated to care for the poor, but, as there is no definitive answer to the question of whether man can affect the climate, there is no particular action we are morally obligated to take. If one believes the theory is valid then he might find himself obligated to support Cap-and-Trade on the expectation that in the long run this will benefit mankind. For those of us who disbelieve the theory, we are morally justified in opposing C&T because of the undeniably adverse short term consequences with no expectation of long term benefit to justify the cost.

Hopefully, having learned something from the Galileo affair, the Church will not get back into the business of making moral statements about scientific theories.

Ender
Hi Ender,

Since the thread has gone on - new comers may not go back through the many posts to see the very respectful discussions we have had - and continue to have on this highly charged topic.

As you say - those who do believe the many scientists who point to the anthroprogenic factors of climate change are obliged to advocate for policy to mitigate the effects which may include cap and trade - HOWEVER (as you know) - I believe the larger responsibility falls to personal action / personal choices which can and do reduce greenhouse gas.

From the Catholic Coalition on Climate Change
catholicsandclimatechange.org/take_action.html
Everyday Approaches to Care for Creation

Simple Steps for the Home
  1. Recycle – Buying products that are recyclable and
    contain post-consumer materials also helps save energy.
  2. Wash clothes in cold water.
  3. Use reusable containers and utensils for leftovers and bring-your-
    own lunches.
  4. Fix or replace leaky pipes, heaters, generators, and appliances.
  5. Consider replacing incandescent light bulbs with more energy-
    efficient ones.
  6. Buy local. Today, the average meal travels 1,500 miles from farm
    to table, a trip that can produce tremendous amounts of fossil fuel use
    from packaging and transportation in diesel-run vehicles. Buying local,
    seasonable foods for your family means that you enjoy healthier, riper,
    more environmentally-friendly foods and that you help support your local
    farm community.
  7. Carpool –
  1. Take a walk. Instead of driving to the local post office or grocery
    store, or across the parking lot, stretch your legs and walk there. Although
    it might take a few minutes longer, you’ll get great exercise, save gas, and
    reduce your greenhouse gas emissions.
9. Eat your vegetables. While getting a sufficient amount of protein is
important, cutting back even slightly on meat consumption will help
decrease the greenhouse gas emissions used in its production. Meat
production is an energy-intensive process; large quantities of energy are
required to cultivate, harvest, and ship animal feed, to transport animals to
slaughterhouses, to slaughter animals, to process and package meat, to
refrigerate meat, and to transport meat to stores. Also, many who live in
poverty, especially in the Third World, almost never consume meat
because it is too expensive, so by cutting back on our consumption, we
can stand in solidarity with our impoverished brothers and sisters.

  1. Plant a tree.
  2. To help you assess your home energy use and learn how you can
    reduce energy costs and benefit the environment, Home Energy Saver is a
    helpful web-based tool developed by the Department of Energy.
 
Since the thread has gone on - new comers may not go back through the many posts to see the very respectful discussions we have had - and continue to have on this highly charged topic.
I was wondering why the Bishops have dedicated an entire website to climate change while other approaches geared toward preserving Gods creation have been left unmentioned. Why the exclusion…

I understand that a great way to preserve water is to install grey-water systems in homes to be used for toilet water. But more importantly, this idea can be used globally…

builtgreen.org/checklist/guide.aspx?ChecklistID=187
“Grey water is wastewater from bathtubs, showers, sinks and washing machines. Graywater accounts for nearly 60% of the outflow produced in homes. Research from other areas of the country indicates that the installation of grey water systems have reduced indoor water consumption by as much as 30%.”

Is the Church not aware that: “more than 4000 children are dying every day as a result of diarrhoeal diseases. … where almost a third of all people live without access to safe drinking water.”
Also - “dirty drinking water kills more than 4000 children a day.”
ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=34927

These are the types of systems that need attention in developing countries and even globally!!! But then again, there is little to gain politically from a hard stance on water conservation. Maybe it’s less popular because it lacks the scare factor… 🤷

Maybe the elites think that without the “scare factor” of global warming -nobody will take green energy seriously? Perhaps they think that people are so greedy, that unless we personally are in danger, we wont want to help others. :hmmm:
What a sick world it would be if that were true !
 
I was wondering why the Bishops have dedicated an entire website to climate change while other approaches geared toward preserving Gods creation have been left unmentioned. Why the exclusion…

I understand that a great way to preserve water is to install grey-water systems in homes to be used for toilet water. But more importantly, this idea can be used globally…

builtgreen.org/checklist/guide.aspx?ChecklistID=187
“Grey water is wastewater from bathtubs, showers, sinks and washing machines. Graywater accounts for nearly 60% of the outflow produced in homes. Research from other areas of the country indicates that the installation of grey water systems have reduced indoor water consumption by as much as 30%.”

Is the Church not aware that: “more than 4000 children are dying every day as a result of diarrhoeal diseases. … where almost a third of all people live without access to safe drinking water.”
Also - “dirty drinking water kills more than 4000 children a day.”
ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=34927

These are the types of systems that need attention in developing countries and even globally!!! But then again, there is little to gain politically from a hard stance on water conservation. Maybe it’s less popular because it lacks the scare factor… 🤷

Maybe the elites think that without the “scare factor” of global warming -nobody will take green energy seriously? Perhaps they think that people are so greedy, that unless we personally are in danger, we wont want to help others. :hmmm:
What a sick world it would be if that were true !
These ARE the EXACT kind of projects the Catholic Church IS involved with - programs like Catholic Relief Services - caritas.org/ Caritas International ----
dealing with the practical ways people have to deal with water crisis ---- Not to mention the hundreds of religious orders and lay organizations doing exactly that!!! I.e.: missionariesofafrica.org/accomplishments/build1.html

You are right - nothing to gain politically by caring for the poor and that is EXACTLY why the Catholic Church is involved!
 
4Elise:

I would agree with much of what you have said by way of practical ways to reduce one’s energy consumption. If one feels morally compelled to do that, those seem like good ways. I would quibble with you, however, regarding the following:

"Eat your vegetables. While getting a sufficient amount of protein is
important, cutting back even slightly on meat consumption will help
decrease the greenhouse gas emissions used in its production. Meat
production is an energy-intensive process; large quantities of energy are
required to cultivate, harvest, and ship animal feed, to transport animals to
slaughterhouses, to slaughter animals, to process and package meat, to
refrigerate meat, and to transport meat to stores. Also, many who live in
poverty, especially in the Third World, almost never consume meat
because it is too expensive, so by cutting back on our consumption, we
can stand in solidarity with our impoverished brothers and sisters. "

I have no problem with people eating vegetables. But grain and legume production also consumes a great deal of energy. There isn’t a lot of protein or essential fats in most vegetables. If people don’t eat meat, they fall back on grains and legumes. Grains and legumes also take a lot of energy to harvest, transport and process. I have not seen the comparative figures, but it’s more cost efficient to ship meat than it is to ship grain. That’s why the feed lots and slaughterhouses are always located near the grain sources.

Also, of course, increasing the competition for grains and legumes does not help the impoverished of the world, at least in some situations. Most cattle, for example, are raised on grass up to a final feeding out, and some are raised on grass entirely. Grass is totally useless for human consumption, and much of the world won’t grow anything else. That’s why there is so much herd raising on the Eurasian and American prairies.

I think one might argue about pork or chicken, because hogs and poultry eat about the same kinds of nutrients we eat. But cattle, goats, sheep and buffalo don’t. They eat things no human can eat, and turn it into nutrient-rich meat. If all the world’s meat-eating people suddenly turned vegetarian, a lot of the world’s food production would be lost, and the wealthiest would be competing with the poorest for the same grain and legumes. Also, of course, much of the American west and the Eurasian plain, Argentina and Australia would depopulate.

Very little fuel is consumed in raising grazing animals, because they walk to where they need to go to eat. Also, one does not even remotely fertilize grasslands to the degree that grain and legume (and vegetable) farms are fertilized. Fertilizer production is a big energy-user. So are the chemicals used to suppress weeds and grass in row crops. Almost never do ranchers of any kind use plant-suppressing chemicals. You don’t need a big fuel-consuming tractor or harvester to raise cattle, sheep, goats or bison, the way you do with row crops.

I can see an argument against grain-feeding cattle to “finish” them. Typically, with cattle nowadays, grain is fed for the last two or three hundred pounds of gain. It takes about three pounds of grain for one pound of weight gain. That’s for the “prime” animals. Lower-grade animals (hamburger, soup meat, bouillon, etc) are simply butchered right off the ranch. So they’re not grain fed at all. Americans like grain-fed beef for the “prime” grade meats. But that doesn’t have to be. My impression is that in Australia and Argentina, they don’t do that, or very rarely do. I don’t think sheep, goats or bison are ever grain-fed. But maybe somebody with more knowledge than I have could correct me on that.
 
4Elise:

I would agree with much of what you have said by way of practical ways to reduce one’s energy consumption. If one feels morally compelled to do that, those seem like good ways. I would quibble with you, however, regarding the following:

"Eat your vegetables. While getting a sufficient amount of protein is
important, cutting back even slightly on meat consumption will help
decrease the greenhouse gas emissions used in its production. Meat
production is an energy-intensive process; large quantities of energy are
required to cultivate, harvest, and ship animal feed, to transport animals to
slaughterhouses, to slaughter animals, to process and package meat, to
refrigerate meat, and to transport meat to stores. Also, many who live in
poverty, especially in the Third World, almost never consume meat
because it is too expensive, so by cutting back on our consumption, we
can stand in solidarity with our impoverished brothers and sisters. "

I have no problem with people eating vegetables. But grain and legume production also consumes a great deal of energy. There isn’t a lot of protein or essential fats in most vegetables. If people don’t eat meat, they fall back on grains and legumes. Grains and legumes also take a lot of energy to harvest, transport and process. I have not seen the comparative figures, but it’s more cost efficient to ship meat than it is to ship grain. That’s why the feed lots and slaughterhouses are always located near the grain sources.

Also, of course, increasing the competition for grains and legumes does not help the impoverished of the world, at least in some situations. Most cattle, for example, are raised on grass up to a final feeding out, and some are raised on grass entirely. Grass is totally useless for human consumption, and much of the world won’t grow anything else. That’s why there is so much herd raising on the Eurasian and American prairies.

I think one might argue about pork or chicken, because hogs and poultry eat about the same kinds of nutrients we eat. But cattle, goats, sheep and buffalo don’t. They eat things no human can eat, and turn it into nutrient-rich meat. If all the world’s meat-eating people suddenly turned vegetarian, a lot of the world’s food production would be lost, and the wealthiest would be competing with the poorest for the same grain and legumes. Also, of course, much of the American west and the Eurasian plain, Argentina and Australia would depopulate.

Very little fuel is consumed in raising grazing animals, because they walk to where they need to go to eat. Also, one does not even remotely fertilize grasslands to the degree that grain and legume (and vegetable) farms are fertilized. Fertilizer production is a big energy-user. So are the chemicals used to suppress weeds and grass in row crops. Almost never do ranchers of any kind use plant-suppressing chemicals. You don’t need a big fuel-consuming tractor or harvester to raise cattle, sheep, goats or bison, the way you do with row crops.

I can see an argument against grain-feeding cattle to “finish” them. Typically, with cattle nowadays, grain is fed for the last two or three hundred pounds of gain. It takes about three pounds of grain for one pound of weight gain. That’s for the “prime” animals. Lower-grade animals (hamburger, soup meat, bouillon, etc) are simply butchered right off the ranch. So they’re not grain fed at all. Americans like grain-fed beef for the “prime” grade meats. But that doesn’t have to be. My impression is that in Australia and Argentina, they don’t do that, or very rarely do. I don’t think sheep, goats or bison are ever grain-fed. But maybe somebody with more knowledge than I have could correct me on that.
Thanks for your post - from what I’ve read and understand a move to a plant based diet has a significantly smaller impact - a very interesting article from the Union of Concerned Scientists on this topic - ucsusa.org/food_and_agriculture/science_and_impacts/impacts_industrial_agriculture/they-eat-what-the-reality-of.html - there are of course many other factors - the over use of antibiotics, HGH,

You make a very good point about how far our food travels - it is a move to buy local and eat what is in season that will also be of help.
 
Thanks for your post - from what I’ve read and understand a move to a plant based diet has a significantly smaller impact - a very interesting article from the Union of Concerned Scientists on this topic - ucsusa.org/food_and_agriculture/science_and_impacts/impacts_industrial_agriculture/they-eat-what-the-reality-of.html - there are of course many other factors - the over use of antibiotics, HGH,

You make a very good point about how far our food travels - it is a move to buy local and eat what is in season that will also be of help.
I read the article, and would have to research some of the assertions made in it. I suspect some of it is outdated. I remember, for example, when all sorts of people thought feeding poultry litter to cattle was a good idea. Poultry houses’ floors are piled with either wood shavings or rice hulls. The ammonia in the poultry manure aids the digestive systems of ungulates like cattle or sheep to break down the cellulose in the wood shavings or rice hulls. It didn’t really work well. So then the thought was to mix it with grain. That didn’t work too well either. Around here, at least, that whole practice has long since been abandoned.

The other side of the story is worth knowing. Because of the high relative price of grain, feed lots have been “upstreaming” most of the growout costs onto the ranchers. That was done by reducing, even sometimes reversing, the price/lb paid for lightweights vs heavyweights. By way of example, this spring I sent a group of steers that were uniform in size and age, weighing about 650 lb each. I also sent some that were about 750 lb each. The heavier ones got a better price/lb than the lighter ones, though both groups were otherwise identical in every way. Back when grain was cheap, one “maxed out” price/lb at about 400 lb. Now, it pays to keep them to nearly double that weight, as long as one has the grass to feed them, because the prices/lb are nearly the same. Consequently, ranchers have changed the ways they do things. Most of the high-quality beef on the shelves is very nearly “grass fed” all the way.

As I mentioned previously, those are the “prime” animals. Cull cows and bulls go straight to slaughter and are never fed grain unless the rancher is dumb enough to waste money feeding grain to animals that don’t benefit by it.

I cannot say what the feed lots’ feed rations are composed of. But I very much doubt that any kind of ungulate product is fed to them anymore, because foreign markets won’t buy, e.g, beef from any producer that has used it.
 
What if the Amish were right? Seriously…

“High voltage electricity was rejected by 1920 through the actions of a strict bishop, as a reaction against more liberal Amish [43] and to avoid a physical connection to the outside world.[44] Because of the early prohibition of electricity, individual decisions about the use of new inventions such as the television would not be necessary. Electricity is used in some situations when it can be produced without access to outside power lines. Batteries, with their limited applications, are sometimes acceptable. Electric generators may be used for welding, recharging batteries, and powering milk stirrers in many communities. Outdoor electrical appliances such as riding and hand-pushed lawn mowers and string trimmers are used in some communities. Some Amish families have non-electric versions of appliances, such as kerosene-powered refrigerators. Some Old Order Amish districts may allow the use of thermal solar panels [45].”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish

(been to Shipshewana, IN -loved it!!)
 
catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0904245.htm
Faith leaders hope G-20 summit will ‘do the right thing’ for poor
By Patricia Bartos
Catholic News Service
PITTSBURGH (CNS) – Leaders of the most powerful countries in the world, meeting for the G-20 summit in Pittsburgh Sept. 24-25, have huge economic issues to contend with.
But with latest estimates showing 1 billion people around the world suffering from hunger as a result of the global economic recession, religious leaders believe that, by gathering together to speak for the world’s poor, they can impact those decisions.
Most people in high levels of government “really do want to do the right thing for the poor. They really do have a moral compass,” said Stephen Colecchi, director of the U.S. Catholic bishops’ Office of International Justice and Peace, at a press conference in Pittsburgh Sept. 23.
Part of the power of prayer and bringing together religious leaders at such an event is “the belief that we can influence people,” he said.
Some 30 leaders of Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Sikh faiths attended the press conference before processing in full clerical garb to the Omni William Penn Hotel to meet with representatives of the U.S. delegation to the G-20 summit.
The event was part of the Sept. 22-23 Faith Leaders Summit convened prior to the G-20 and organized by Bread for the World, the Alliance to End Hunger and other partners to “remind world leaders that the most important indicator of economic recovery should be what happens to hungry and poor people,” said the Rev. David Beckmann, president of Bread for the World.
“Really this is a public manifestation on the part of religious leaders with the hope that people involved in the G-20 will come to see the bigger dimension of their decisions,” said retired Pittsburgh Auxiliary Bishop William J. Winter, who represented Pittsburgh Bishop David A. Zubik. “We hope that in addition to their economic concerns they see the moral issues of caring for the world’s poor.”
The leaders had joined the previous evening for an interfaith prayer service at First Presbyterian Church in downtown Pittsburgh.
Colecchi said at the press conference that Pittsburgh is a fitting site for the summit because it represents the struggles of working families.
Despite its accomplishments in economic rebirth following the loss of the steel industry, 22 percent of the city’s population lived below the poverty line in 2007, he said, noting that “since the global economic crisis hit, poverty has been on the rise.”
And unemployment is “high and growing,” now at 7.8 percent. Worldwide, he said, “we have also witnessed a dramatic increase in hunger and poverty,” destroying progress that had been made in reducing global poverty prior to 2006.
From 1990-2005, the number of people living in extreme poverty dropped from 1.8 billion to 1.4 billion, and the proportion of undernourished children declined from 33 percent to 26 percent.
“But as a result of high food prices in 2007 and 2008 and the onset of the global economic crisis in late 2008, the World Bank estimates that the number of people in extreme poverty in developing countries has risen by more than 200 million – 90 million this year alone,” Colecchi said.
Per-capita incomes have declined for the first time in a decade in sub-Saharan Africa and for the first time in history, the U.N.'s Food and Agriculture Organization estimates that more than 1 billion people are suffering from hunger, he added.
“Poverty overseas means not just stretching food budgets,” he said, but also “starvation and malnutrition.” It means people dying early because of preventable diseases, farmers trying to “coax a harvest from fields devastated by drought or floods related to climate shifts.”
The poor are being hit doubly hard, by both the global economic and the looming climate change crises, he said.
Colecchi quoted a letter written in June by the Catholic bishops’ conferences of G-8 nations.
"Ironically, poor people have contributed the least to the economic crisis facing our world, but their lives and livelihoods are likely to suffer the greatest devastation," it said. "In a similar way, poor countries and peoples who have contributed the least to the human factors driving global climate change are most at risk of its harmful consequences."
He also quoted a letter from Pope Benedict XVI prior to the G-20 meeting in London, lamenting the threat of cancellation or reduction of foreign assistance programs in Africa and less developed countries as a result of the current economic crisis.
“The cancellation of the external debt of the poorest and most indebted countries has not been the cause of the crisis and, out of fundamental justice, must not be its victim,” the pope said.
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Added Colecchi: “We need to ask, how will the G-20’s plans for economic recovery and climate change help working families in our own nation and poor families around the world to feed themselves and lift themselves out of poverty?”**
 
Faith leaders hope G-20 summit will ‘do the right thing’ for poor
The right thing for the poor is to deny the lie that CO2 contributes to climate change.

These leftist leaders are attempting to add massive taxation and regulatory burdens to energy production.

We need energy for producing food, shelter, and medical care, ESPECIALLY In the developing world.

CO2 is plant food, not pollution, and it is time to stand up and expose the frauds.
 
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