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I liked them a lot!

I will say it’s hard, when my oldest is only six, to have long stretches of downtime. Having at least one thing to “do” everyday this summer gives me a much needed mental break. But I know even this past school year, I found myself wondering, “OK, what can we cut back on?”

There was a pre-K/K soccer program this spring. I liked the approach of the program - fun, no keeping score, really about learning to kick around a ball and maybe develop some coordination. But it met three times per week. :eek: Thankfully no Sundays, but with two kids enrolled, the other six days were up for grabs. I’m not making that mistake again!

I try as much as possible to at least leave Sunday to leisure. That helps.
 
Yes, I imagine that parents of young children without a safe neighborhood would be most impacted by cutting back. When you live in the boonies, it’s easier to allow them to explore, and be outside more.
 
2 very interesting articles:
The Disease of Being Busy
onbeing.org/blog/the-disease-of-being-busy/

and

Why I’m giving my Children the Gift of Boredom this Summer

aleteia.org/2017/06/19/giving-my-kids-the-gift-of-boredom/?utm_campaign=NL_en&utm_source=daily_newsletter&utm_medium=mail&utm_content=NL_en

I enjoyed both of these articles very much.
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The first article was brilliant! Our Western culture is indeed afflicted by the nearly pathological illness of keeping busy at all times, leaving very little time to reflect and focus on our own thoughts and feelings. This is particularly the case in urban environments, although it is not limited to these. Of course, with young children, as noted, there may be a need to keep them occupied, if only to relax a little. And I am not saying we should abandon ourselves to excessive reflection. Either extreme, whether that of continuous busyness (or business) or idleness, can be, I think, detrimental to our psychological, spiritual, and physical well-being. The author does suggest, however, that we should not always feel the need and pressure to be active and doing something. A little inactivity or quiet down time is good for the soul; it puts us in touch with the being part of our humanity. After all, we are human beings, as the author notes, not human doings.

In Judaism and Christianity, I think the Sabbath Day helps us get in contact with our inner being through prayer and self-reflection. We have the opportunity at least for one day a week to abandon all the daily chores, meetings, things in our lives and focus instead on the people who are most important to us. We can adopt a passive and silent mode of thought, more common in Eastern culture as well as part of Quaker tradition.

I have found that in my own business, that of education, the pace is often hectic and rather insane. There is usually little down time, especially in the classroom, where every teacher feels the push to move on to the next topic and is concerned they may be lagging behind by engaging in too much thoughtful discussion. The students move from class to class like zombies, with hardly any time at all to absorb and think about what was discussed in the previous class. This kind of assembly-line system of education is not conducive to understanding and appreciating the world around us, much less ourselves.
 
When I was young (in the dark ages), if I complained about being bored, the answer was “You’re bored? I’ll give you something to do!”, which consisted of something like mopping the floor, dusting the furniture, ironing, etc. Extra chores. So I learned pretty quick to entertain myself, and I had very few toys–but I could make playthings out of anything almost. Being “bored” caused me to voraciously read, design clothes for paper dolls, build villages out of dirt, make clover chain necklaces, etc. and if a friend was around, boredom wasn’t even in the vocabulary.

My grandchildren, sorry to say, do not have the luxury of having to use their imaginations like I did. They have a toy store full of toys and every piece of electronic equipment around. And they spend hours on a certain sport qualifying for meets and tournaments, etc. It’s not my place to tell my daughter how to raise her children, but I feel sorry for them. They are lovely children, and good girls, but when they come to spend a week with me, I have had to teach them how to take a hike in the park, make a dollhouse out of shoeboxes, a tent out of blankets, wade in the creek, picnic in the park, and don’t even bring that I-pad or phone with you!

I guess I’m just an old fogey, but they love it!
 
I think a lot of this business comes from the need to prepare children for college. Growing up we were pushed to join various activities in part to fill out the college application on a way that is expected to look favorable.
 
I think a lot of this business comes from the need to prepare children for college. Growing up we were pushed to join various activities in part to fill out the college application on a way that is expected to look favorable.
Definitely. Every parent believes that their kid is going to get either a gymnastics scholarship or a soccer scholarship. They believe that their kid will have a better chance of getting accepted at MIT if they have their Eagle Scout badge.
Confirmation? Not so much.
People ask me almost every day if they can start their kids on piano lessons at 2 or 3. :eek:

Kids are expected to not only have “jobs” but to excel at them so as to make things easier on mom and dad. Because EGAD! Who wants their kid to go to a State University!!! :eek:
It all started with the notion that everybody WILL excel and everybody IS OUTSTANDING. My kid vs. your kid. Sick really.
:rolleyes:
 
When I was young (in the dark ages), if I complained about being bored, the answer was “You’re bored? I’ll give you something to do!”, which consisted of something like mopping the floor, dusting the furniture, ironing, etc. Extra chores. So I learned pretty quick to entertain myself, and I had very few toys–but I could make playthings out of anything almost. Being “bored” caused me to voraciously read, design clothes for paper dolls, build villages out of dirt, make clover chain necklaces, etc. and if a friend was around, boredom wasn’t even in the vocabulary.

My grandchildren, sorry to say, do not have the luxury of having to use their imaginations like I did. They have a toy store full of toys and every piece of electronic equipment around. And they spend hours on a certain sport qualifying for meets and tournaments, etc. It’s not my place to tell my daughter how to raise her children, but I feel sorry for them. They are lovely children, and good girls, but when they come to spend a week with me, I have had to teach them how to take a hike in the park, make a dollhouse out of shoeboxes, a tent out of blankets, wade in the creek, picnic in the park, and don’t even bring that I-pad or phone with you!

I guess I’m just an old fogey, but they love it!
I LOVE that you do this for your grandchildren. My parents and in-laws buy my kids the toy stores. They just want to be generous, and I appreciate that, but I think as you do - the stuff is not what the kids need.
 
Yeah, I still remember those blanket tents and making homemade playhouses.
My kids used a FisherPrice kitchen set to play drive through burger joint. They learned how to make change with play money long before school.
I’ll also never forget the time they gather all the stuffed animals and Beanie Babies together and held a prayer service in the basement. I arrived just at the Responsorial Psalm.

I heard V say : owr risspons to da sallm is: The Lord is kind an mercyffull…slo to get mad and weally nice!😃
 
I had to laugh at this part of the first article:

“After we settled in, we went to one of the friendly neighbors, asking if their daughter and our daughter could get together and play. The mother, a really lovely person, reached for her phone and pulled out the calendar function. She scrolled… and scrolled… and scrolled. She finally said: “She has a 45-minute opening two and half weeks from now.”

When getting two kids together to play is more difficult than scheduling an appointment with a physician specialist, you know you’re too busy!
 
I enjoyed both articles, Clare! Thanks.

I used to hear moms at school pickup complaining about summer vacation and their kids being home. Not me. I liked having my kids with me. And my kids rarely complained they were bored. Maybe they didn’t want to hear me say “if you are bored, it’s your own fault.”
Read, create something. Yes, watch a movie.(We owned lots of parent approved dvd’s.) Build something. Lay in the hammock. If you are really bored, clean your room. 😉

Summer was for nothingness. No team sports. No lessons. They liked coming to the grocery store. Our vacation was driving 7 hours to visit family. We never went to Disney. :eek:
Yeah, we were bad parents. 😉

My kids aren’t kids anymore. I can’t imagine what it’s going to be like when they have kids. I hope they remember how they spent their summers and let their kids do nothing.
 
I think a lot of this business comes from the need to prepare children for college. Growing up we were pushed to join various activities in part to fill out the college application on a way that is expected to look favorable.
We do not need to prepare children for college when they are in grade school or even in middle school. That is a myth. Everyone is rushing around, signing their kids up for stuff they won’t care about on a college application. Even in High school. First off, good grades. A sport. And something that shows you have a heart and a pulse.

Sometimes I think parents are in competition with each other. People get caught up in all of it. Keeping up with the Jones’ kids.
 
It’s definitely a competition thing.
I think since many parents have to hold down a couple of jobs…they feel guilty and believe that these things are really FUN for kids. Which they can be, and sometimes are. But the kids also need a break. Kids in daycare are VERY bored most of the time.
Poor things. I know many of my former students would tell me they weren’t really into ballet or lacrosse, but they didn’t have the heart to let mama or daddy down…they wanted it for themselves years ago and couldn’t afford it. 🤷

Sometimes all kids want to is be with us. For people to make time for them, not buy them other adult companionship.
 
We were out playing every day it seemed. Tag, making a bog/ swamp habitat in a red wagon, then populating it with salamanders! Wiffle ball, building a fort in the woods!

We also loved to play board games and cards. My family was dysfunctional, so I stayed away as long as possible. It was easy in my neighborhood. Everyone seemed to know, so they did not mind me showing up all the time, thank goodness.

My room was over the garage. You had to go down an L shaped hallway to get there. It was my fortress. I couldn’t hear the fighting going on downstairs from up there. I LOVED to read thank goodness.

The Boy Scouts was the best thing that ever happened to me. I can not recommend it enough. But that was my only “soccer mom” activity. I thought that was plenty. I was a big daydreamer, and I would do that out of doors. I loved the woods, I loved my alone time too.
I wanted to be a forest Ranger for the longest time. I should have stayed with that. When I became an adult, I liked to entertain. Dinner parties, doing the restaurant circuit. Easy to do in Atlanta.

In the late 1970’s the Baptists and the Catholics really started emphasizing the old saying "idle minds are the devil’s playground. Gyms started popping up at churches everywhere. [for some reason, the Episcopalians, my Church, were having none of it. 😃 ] Then came the infamous soccer! Leagues started forming all over the place. It just snowballed from there.

In 2009 my world turned upside down. I got laid off my dream job, and was sick in bed for a month with chronic pancreatitis. I lost real estate, all my money and all my plastic friends. I had a lot of time in bed to think about my life. [between pain pills] It was during this time that I decided to become Catholic. Best thing I have EVER done!

My busy busy life came to a crashing halt. I lost 40lbs. It was awful at first, but it lead to finding a peace that I left long behind exploring those woods in the past. In the scheme of things, I was very fortunate to have been given a “reset.” Too often, that is what it takes to get us to a better perspective, certainly a spiritual one.

Kids at the high school I teach at are all now walking around with those expensive blue tooth headphones. Non stop techno stimuli. Gone now are the neighborhood sandlot baseball games. Tag is now just a washing instruction label on the back of an undergear T-shirt.

To find out what kids are doing now, you have only to look on the back window or bumper to find out what team your neighbors kids are on. Nothing wrong with that, but finding out the next window on your kid’s schedule per google calendar is 45 minutes two weeks from now, is toxic in my mind. Giving your kids “the gift of boredom” sounds like a fine idea to me!
 
2 very interesting articles:
The Disease of Being Busy
onbeing.org/blog/the-disease-of-being-busy/

and

Why I’m giving my Children the Gift of Boredom this Summer

aleteia.org/2017/06/19/giving-my-kids-the-gift-of-boredom/?utm_campaign=NL_en&utm_source=daily_newsletter&utm_medium=mail&utm_content=NL_en

I enjoyed both of these articles very much.
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well, to be honest, I’m mostly acquainted with the other end of the spectrum.

kids who have so much time on their hands that they just sit in front of the tv all the time, or computer, or video games.

teenagers who don’t do any extra-curriculars and I’m sure you can guess, are high and wasted all the time.

so I’m mostly for activity involvement. a healthy balance, not so much that it takes away valuable family time or interferes with sacraments and church but kids do need a way to develop their skills and talents.

sure , not everyone is going to be outstanding, but everyone has things that we can encourage. when I was in the education program, it was sad to hear so many teachers say things like “oh don’t bother about those kids, they’ve fallen through the crack for so many years, it’ll just take too much time. some other teacher can help them. you can’t help everyone”. well yes, obviously they have fallen through the cracks, because no one every bothered to take any time for them.

I did get sports scholarships for university, which I was very grateful for. sure cut down on the amount of student loans I had to take out.
 
I LOVE that you do this for your grandchildren. My parents and in-laws buy my kids the toy stores. They just want to be generous, and I appreciate that, but I think as you do - the stuff is not what the kids need.
Cutting down on electronics time creates opportunities for conversation. 👍 Kids need opportunities to visit with their families. It can be helpful for parents to demo the fine art of putting electronics away for several hours each night and parking them at the kitchen charger at bedtime.
 
Definitely. Every parent believes that their kid is going to get either a gymnastics scholarship or a soccer scholarship. They believe that their kid will have a better chance of getting accepted at MIT if they have their Eagle Scout badge.
Confirmation? Not so much.
People ask me almost every day if they can start their kids on piano lessons at 2 or 3. :eek:

Kids are expected to not only have “jobs” but to excel at them so as to make things easier on mom and dad. Because EGAD! Who wants their kid to go to a State University!!! :eek:
It all started with the notion that everybody WILL excel and everybody IS OUTSTANDING. My kid vs. your kid. Sick really.
:rolleyes:
No Eagle Scout badge was required - but DS did have 4 yrs of varsity soccer in high school (which was the culmination of several seasons of travel and rec soccer throughout childhood), 4 yrs of robotic competition inc. a trip to World’s, 2 yrs working a part-time job during all this, and a unique origami design for a turtle he came up with when he wasn’t happy with the ones in found in books. That plus an incredible academic load and excellent test scores did indeed get him into MIT.

Which we are particularly glad of since it does a sliding tuition based on family assets and income that was significantly more generous than the “State University” (also has higher job placement and projected future earnings to).

In summary, he was beyond incredibly busy for every bit of his middle and high school years, enjoyed about 1/2 of it, endured the other 1/2 and is now reaping the reward. FWIW, the whole MIT thing was HIS idea…not ours. We never even considered it a possibility really but glad he did. 🙂

As far as our other five children (two others now graduated, three more still at home) - they are probably far busier than many people on here would find acceptable, but far less than others in society feel is needed. The point is that there has to be a balance - and it’s a balance that’s different for each child and each family and one that has to be assessed on a sometimes weekly or even daily level.

It’s about a relationship between kid needs and interests and parent’s resources and wisdom. One of our other son’s is indeed working on the last steps towards earning his Eagle Scout rank - and is determined to go to college though where is still up in the air. Seeing how much he’s learned and grown from the scouting program, I certainly can’t fault it (and yes, he’s a high school athlete as well). We’ve had discussions however and have decided that getting a part-time job (something the others all did to earn money to pay their car insurance so they could get a license) is going to have to wait. THIS child at THIS time, with these commitments would be overburdened by one. So we’ll have to figure out another way for him to cover his insurance cost. 🤷 We’ll work it all out. We always do.

The point is that my kids are/have been significantly more “busy” than others (and we’ve been criticized for it) and yet less busy than some (and we’ve been criticized for that too). Each family needs to prayerful and continuously evaluate what they are doing and how it is working for them. Kids need to be busy. Kids also need to be bored. Just like everything else it’s simply a matter of finding the right balance of each 🙂
 
No Eagle Scout badge was required - but DS did have 4 yrs of varsity soccer in high school (which was the culmination of several seasons of travel and rec soccer throughout childhood), 4 yrs of robotic competition inc. a trip to World’s, 2 yrs working a part-time job during all this, and a unique origami design for a turtle he came up with when he wasn’t happy with the ones in found in books. That plus an incredible academic load and excellent test scores did indeed get him into MIT.

Which we are particularly glad of since it does a sliding tuition based on family assets and income that was significantly more generous than the “State University” (also has higher job placement and projected future earnings to).

In summary, he was beyond incredibly busy for every bit of his middle and high school years, enjoyed about 1/2 of it, endured the other 1/2 and is now reaping the reward. FWIW, the whole MIT thing was HIS idea…not ours. We never even considered it a possibility really but glad he did. 🙂

As far as our other five children (two others now graduated, three more still at home) - they are probably far busier than many people on here would find acceptable, but far less than others in society feel is needed. The point is that there has to be a balance - and it’s a balance that’s different for each child and each family and one that has to be assessed on a sometimes weekly or even daily level.

It’s about a relationship between kid needs and interests and parent’s resources and wisdom. One of our other son’s is indeed working on the last steps towards earning his Eagle Scout rank - and is determined to go to college though where is still up in the air. Seeing how much he’s learned and grown from the scouting program, I certainly can’t fault it (and yes, he’s a high school athlete as well). We’ve had discussions however and have decided that getting a part-time job (something the others all did to earn money to pay their car insurance so they could get a license) is going to have to wait. THIS child at THIS time, with these commitments would be overburdened by one. So we’ll have to figure out another way for him to cover his insurance cost. 🤷 We’ll work it all out. We always do.

The point is that my kids are/have been significantly more “busy” than others (and we’ve been criticized for it) and yet less busy than some (and we’ve been criticized for that too). Each family needs to prayerful and continuously evaluate what they are doing and how it is working for them. Kids need to be busy. Kids also need to be bored. Just like everything else it’s simply a matter of finding the right balance of each 🙂
Sounds like you are a great manager of a busy family! 🙂
 
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