Putting up with in-laws

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It’s a bit complicated. She has never been good with money, so while my husband was still living in the family home, he was expected to contribute financially so the family house wouldn’t get taken. Then he and I got a house. My SIL and her husband and kids continued to live with my MIL. Over the years, her health has declined and it’s been more so in the past couple years that her memory is getting worse. So, it went from MIL letting adult kids stay with her, to her needing to be supported. She is in her early seventies.
I feel she can’t live on her own if she’s leaving the stove on all the time, etc. As far as her living in a retirement community, I honestly think she wants to hold on to her money so she can gamble, shop, etc. Her mismanagement of money almost cost them to lose the family home (which has since been sold). I do think the kids are afraid to hurt her feelings. I feel she’s being selfish. Also, she receives retirement money, etc, so she could afford it by herself.
Does she contribute financially to your family or the sisters’ when she is living with you all? If not, she should be. She should not be able to gamble away her money and become a burden on her children.

If she is forced to contribute, she may suddenly feel that SHE would rather be somewhere living more independently or in a place with friends and companionship (which is a win-win for everyone) 🤷
 
Well, let’s see.
She opened up her home to adult kids and now they don’t want to return the favor?
She doesn’t want to spend her money. Well, yeah, nobody wants to.
I think everyone involved, including mom needs to investigate how much it costs to put someone in retirement home, nursing home, or assisted living.
Here in Georgia it runs around $179 per day, which comes to $165 grand a year for a mid-range one, not fancy, but not horrible. She’d have to have a whopper of retirement income to afford that. That’ s including nursing care.
The family needs to come up with something that is tolerable for everyone.
It might be way cheaper to hire a care-giver. My oldest sister has that. She rents a very small efficiency apt from a homeowner, and a woman comes every day to clean, run errands, help her bathe, etc. Many people work like this to be able to be available for their children after school. Look under caregiver in the classifieds.
 
Well, let’s see.
She opened up her home to adult kids and now they don’t want to return the favor?
She doesn’t want to spend her money. Well, yeah, nobody wants to.
I think everyone involved, including mom needs to investigate how much it costs to put someone in retirement home, nursing home, or assisted living.
Here in Georgia it runs around $179 per day, which comes to $165 grand a year for a mid-range one, not fancy, but not horrible. She’d have to have a whopper of retirement income to afford that. That’ s including nursing care.

**I think you may have a math issue or a typo–that works out to $65k. Not peanuts, obviously, but not $165k.

I agree that some research needs to happen–how much it costs, how much mom has, how much mom would be expected to spend down her money before qualifying for Medicaid nursing home care, how good a nursing home she can expect, etc.

Another option to investigate is having some in-home care a few days a week so that the OP can leave the house and not worry that MIL is going to burn it down. If MIL starts doing unsupervised late night cooking–which I believe does happen with dementia–that may be the signal that she’s got to go to the nursing home–the OP and her husband can’t sit up all night with mom. But for the moment, some in-home care might be the difference between being able to keep her at home or put her in the nursing home.

Come to think of it, if that would work for you, that’s something worth having the OP’s husband tell mom flat out. She can stay with them (perhaps for a shorter than usual visit), but she has to pay for care for herself if she wants to stay. That way, it’s up to mom.
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The family needs to come up with something that is tolerable for everyone.
It might be way cheaper to hire a care-giver. My oldest sister has that. She rents a very small efficiency apt from a homeowner, and a woman comes every day to clean, run errands, help her bathe, etc. Many people work like this to be able to be available for their children after school. Look under caregiver in the classifieds.
Yes.

I see the cars zipping around all the time from “Visiting Angels.” (I don’t know if that particular company is any good.)
 
Yes.

I see the cars zipping around all the time from “Visiting Angels.” (I don’t know if that particular company is any good.)
yup. typo. sorry. 😊
And btw, that thing about musicians being FAB at math?
Nah. Not so much. 😃
 
As for opening up her kids to her adult children, my husband had to help her pay the mortgage so she wouldn’t lose the house. So, the favor has been returned. We have been letting her stay on and off for years.

We have told her she is not allowed to cook by herself, which she obeyed. We’ll just have to see how she does when she comes for the summer. That way we can better assess her stability. Other than cooking, I also worry about the security of my home. She has left our home unlocked before, which freaks me out. One time I was across town, and she was on her way to the casino. She called me and said she couldn’t remember if she closed the garage door, AND she didn’t bother to have her friend drive her back to check. I was furious.

Next time she’s here, we’re going to continue to establish some rules, such as she has to clean hands after touching raw meat, no cooking without us home, etc. I’m just tired of her attitude and swearing at me under her breath in another language.😦
 
As for opening up her kids to her adult children, my husband had to help her pay the mortgage so she wouldn’t lose the house. So, the favor has been returned. We have been letting her stay on and off for years.
So he helped pay the mortgage and now she is freeloading off her children and blowing the equity from the house at the casino?!?! That has to stop.
We have told her she is not allowed to cook by herself, which she obeyed. We’ll just have to see how she does when she comes for the summer. That way we can better assess her stability. Other than cooking, I also worry about the security of my home. She has left our home unlocked before, which freaks me out. One time I was across town, and she was on her way to the casino. She called me and said she couldn’t remember if she closed the garage door, AND she didn’t bother to have her friend drive her back to check. I was furious.
Ohhhh, I’d be furious, too! But, in fairness, I’ve accidentally left my garage door up before, too.
Next time she’s here, we’re going to continue to establish some rules, such as she has to clean hands after touching raw meat, no cooking without us home, etc. I’m just tired of her attitude and swearing at me under her breath in another language.😦
No cooking. No raw meat. Period. You should not have to watch her like you would a two-year-old. If she doesn’t understand that or want to follow those rules, she needs to make other arrangements.
 
Lol … I feel your anguish! Slovania women (my MIL) and Filleopeno women (my step mother, & your MiL ) age the same. Despite not your SIL’s who have fallen asleep in their faith; rather, pray that Jesus may awaken their hearts again. Despite not your MIL’s failing body, mind, and bad vices (gambling) for these are things you cannot control. The only thing you can control in this situation is YOU!!! How do you react to sinners? Are you merciful or judgemental? Since medicine helps you control you I would ask for a re-evaluation of your medicine.

I speak of this from experience on the front lines with my FIL & MIL … Husband (in denial) & BIL. Yes, it is so very trying to deal with mule personalities that use you. If we cannot love them, who will? Who will show these mules love? Will it be you?

I confess, for a year straight I had to fervently pray before seeing my FIL & MIL and directly after. At first it was reciting the prayers. Then after returning to reading 1 COR 13 daily I was reminded I can only control me … Only control how I responded to seeing wrong out of control. My prayers then switched to a simple, “change my heart lord” over and over. Now, i have found the gift of a softened heart towards my in laws … It is not fulły in love with them as my husbands or Gods is … But I have gone from bitter, anxious, and mad to a pitty for these people who are so self consuming, unable to forgive, deaf & blind to others, and lonly that I find the charity to smile and make small gestures of love to them. Yes, I still have hormonal cycles where I must avoid them at all costs … But I go back to praying to God to change me. This is the best advice I can give you during this challenging time.

Another piece of advice is to request each person who host MIL take a class to educate themselves with how to care for a person with memory loss. Yes, it becomes like dealing with a two year old, but worse. Anger, violence, and tantrums may also rear their ugly head. I found this web site to be a good starting point to go through a check list: caregiver.org/caring-adults-cognitive-and-memory-impairment
m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/how-to-help-without-going-broke

Taking away cooking for a Fillapeno is like taking away a drivers licence for Mario Andretti. Maybe you could babysit her while she cooks to give her a joy that moves her soul?

Does your husband give thanks for the love you have already given? Try to be silent and let him brain storm outloud without interruption. Finish by saying, these are important and I’ll think about it (set time limit).

Peace be with you on your journey.
 
Well, my response will come from a totally different perspective.

I am #5 of 7 children (now 5 living). My Mom at 85 was still living alone. I would stay with her one or two nights a wk.I loved catering to her and taking care of her. We both enjoyed the casino…so we always included one or two visits there. We went to church together. I took her to her doctor, dentist and hair appointments. I truly felt like I was giving back to her for all she had done for me as a child. At 89 her medical conditions worsened. She came to live with my husband and me. My husband totally catered to her and loved doing things for her. For the next 2 years she would occasionally bring up going to a long term care facility. After a few days she would change her mind. Throughout this time, my sisters would gently suggest that I put her in LTC. Both my husband and I agreed she would stay with us until she was ready for LTC. At times she would need to be hospitalized. I would visit her daily. One sister told me it wasn’t necessary to do that. I was shocked. Why wouldn’t I? At 90 Mom decided she was ready for LTC and she moved. She turned 91 in April and is comfortable in her new home. In retrospect, I see that we had to rearrange our lives when she moved in. But so what? I can’t think of a better reason. It is amazing how far away she seems now though its only 40 minutes. I usually visit 2 or 3 times per week. But, it is so not the same. I miss her.

OP, this is just the other side of things. I’m sure there’s a big difference between mom and MIL. Without all the stress of her living with you, you should be able to have some very nice visits with her (wherever she goes). I would suggest you make a big deal out of all your visits…maybe a nice gift or taking her to lunch. Much easier to deal with a couple of hours, than 24/7. I pray your family and in-laws will find a reasonable solution for all.

God Bless You.
 
So he helped pay the mortgage and now she is freeloading off her children and blowing the equity from the house at the casino?!?! That has to stop.

Ohhhh, I’d be furious, too! But, in fairness, I’ve accidentally left my garage door up before, too.

No cooking. No raw meat. Period. You should not have to watch her like you would a two-year-old. If she doesn’t understand that or want to follow those rules, she needs to make other arrangements.
In looking back at what I wrote last night (in pain from falling down our stairs), I probably didn’t come across as charitable toward your MIL as I would’ve liked….:o

Does your MIL understand finances? From what you’ve written, she seems to have struggled in this area for a good long while. How does she gamble? Does she take a certain amount with her and when it’s gone, it’s gone, or does she have the propensity to gamble away a lot of money at a time? She needs to understand that, on a fixed income, it is not appropriate, fair, or prudent for her to gamble away her money at the expense of her children. This affects generations, not just herself. If her children are dipping into their savings to help Mom, while Mom blows her money at the casino, her grandchildren will likely eventually suffer when it comes time to take care of their own aging parents.

As for security, could you look into a security system that could be activated remotely via your smart phone? So, even if she left the garage door up the motion sensor could be triggered if someone entered your home? That might be something Mom could chip in and help pay for.

Since I don’t know about the Filipino culture and cooking, etc., other than banning her from from things that could pose a risk to herself or your family (i.e., cooking and/or raw meat), I’m not sure what the answer is 🤷
 
As for security, could you look into a security system that could be activated remotely via your smart phone? So, even if she left the garage door up the motion sensor could be triggered if someone entered your home? That might be something Mom could chip in and help pay for.
Ah, now that you mention it, there are some amazing space-age home systems now that allow you to do stuff with your cell phone when you’re away from home.
 
As for opening up her kids to her adult children, my husband had to help her pay the mortgage so she wouldn’t lose the house. So, the favor has been returned. We have been letting her stay on and off for years.

We have told her she is not allowed to cook by herself, which she obeyed. We’ll just have to see how she does when she comes for the summer. That way we can better assess her stability. Other than cooking, I also worry about the security of my home. She has left our home unlocked before, which freaks me out. One time I was across town, and she was on her way to the casino. She called me and said she couldn’t remember if she closed the garage door, AND she didn’t bother to have her friend drive her back to check. I was furious.

Next time she’s here, we’re going to continue to establish some rules, such as she has to clean hands after touching raw meat, no cooking without us home, etc. I’m just tired of her attitude and swearing at me under her breath in another language.😦
That’s really uncalled for. You are allowing her to be a guest in your home for an extended period of time, despite your health issues and responsibilities to your daughter. The very least she can do is not be rude.
 
That’s really uncalled for. You are opening her home to her despite your health issues and responsibilities to your daughter. The very least she can do is not be rude.
Well, the OP might not know what she’s saying (unless her husband is translating–which might be happening).

It might be more like MIL praying out loud, “God, help me!” or “For which of my sins am I being punished!”
 
Well, the OP might not know what she’s saying (unless her husband is translating–which might be happening).

It might be more like MIL praying out loud, “God, help me!” or “For which of my sins am I being punished!”
Maybe. I see what you mean. But if it’s directed at the OP, i.e. insinuating that the OP is responsible for the MIL’s misery, it would still be considered rude, IMHO.
 
Maybe. I see what you mean. But if it’s directed at the OP, i.e. insinuating that the OP is responsible for the MIL’s misery, it would still be considered rude, IMHO.
Oh yeah, definitely rude. But that’s one of those situations where if you say something, it’s “What? I’m only praying. Can’t an old lady practice her faith?” If this has been MIL’s way of dealing with conflict forever, good luck getting her to change it now.

I have been reading the thread and I just can’t see any way that this ends well with the MIL continuing to stay. I love my MIL and think she’s great, but there’s no way I could live with her for months and months. Good fences make good neighbors - and relations, too.
 
Oh yeah, definitely rude. But that’s one of those situations where if you say something, it’s “What? I’m only praying. Can’t an old lady practice her faith?” If this has been MIL’s way of dealing with conflict forever, good luck getting her to change it now.

I have been reading the thread and I just can’t see any way that this ends well with the MIL continuing to stay. I love my MIL and think she’s great, but there’s no way I could live with her for months and months. Good fences make good neighbors - and relations, too.
Right.

I have one of those mumbling-in-foreign language (that I understand some of) issues. My husband occasionally translates for me, which has probably been a mistake, as it’s always uncomplimentary. No one ever mumbles under their breath, “Thank you, Jesus, for giving me this pearl of daughter-in-law that has made my old age a blessing!”
 
Well, my response will come from a totally different perspective.

I am #5 of 7 children (now 5 living). My Mom at 85 was still living alone. I would stay with her one or two nights a wk.I loved catering to her and taking care of her. We both enjoyed the casino…so we always included one or two visits there. We went to church together. I took her to her doctor, dentist and hair appointments. I truly felt like I was giving back to her for all she had done for me as a child. At 89 her medical conditions worsened. She came to live with my husband and me. My husband totally catered to her and loved doing things for her. For the next 2 years she would occasionally bring up going to a long term care facility. After a few days she would change her mind. Throughout this time, my sisters would gently suggest that I put her in LTC. Both my husband and I agreed she would stay with us until she was ready for LTC. At times she would need to be hospitalized. I would visit her daily. One sister told me it wasn’t necessary to do that. I was shocked. Why wouldn’t I? At 90 Mom decided she was ready for LTC and she moved. She turned 91 in April and is comfortable in her new home. In retrospect, I see that we had to rearrange our lives when she moved in. But so what? I can’t think of a better reason. It is amazing how far away she seems now though its only 40 minutes. I usually visit 2 or 3 times per week. But, it is so not the same. I miss her.

OP, this is just the other side of things. I’m sure there’s a big difference between mom and MIL. Without all the stress of her living with you, you should be able to have some very nice visits with her (wherever she goes). I would suggest you make a big deal out of all your visits…maybe a nice gift or taking her to lunch. Much easier to deal with a couple of hours, than 24/7. I pray your family and in-laws will find a reasonable solution for all.

God Bless You.
:hugs: Yes! I helped my Daddy die too. He had a lung transplant and I quit my career to become his caregiver. Sadly, the medicine for LT’s (prednisone) make people emotional & my baby sister only experienced Dad’s anger, drunkenness, and dark emotions. I had to the full rainbow of emotions from dark to light and cheery. It was indeed a way forms to repay my Dad for all my rebellion and his patience.

At the time, I was dating the perfect man to make me a saint. He got mad at me and said I was starting to look like my father. My first thought was “yes, I always wanted my Dad’s blond hair, blue eyes, & skinny legs”… But reality sunk in and I realized that this ‘saint maker’ was saying I was decaying, wrinkling, and getting mean. He refused to kiss me because I looked like my Dad. At the time I though he was the most horrible person. Today, I can see why this ‘saint maker’ thought this. For a while in my anxiety I spent more time with my MIL than my husband. When I saw my husband I could only see her face on his face. I went fridged for a few months because I couldn’t stand the thought of kissing my MiL. Since I had that ‘saint maker’ of a prior bF, I knew to keep my mouth shut! I had to pray supercalifraduliousdeexlealidosious hard to get past that!!!

Anyways, how would my current husband do with my Dad’s finale performance? I admit my Dad was a complete mess and I dought my patient, loving, considerate, husband would have enjoyed my Dad’s finale act as I did.

I do wish my husband could start finding joy in his mothers twilight years. Sadly, my husband is reducing himself to a wallet. The sicker his parents get, the more work he does to provide for them. I’ve called my husband on living in denial, but he won’t come out. I’ve lead the horses to water, but nobody will drink. It’s so very frustrating!!!
 
Well, my response will come from a totally different perspective.

I am #5 of 7 children (now 5 living). My Mom at 85 was still living alone. I would stay with her one or two nights a wk.I loved catering to her and taking care of her. We both enjoyed the casino…so we always included one or two visits there. We went to church together. I took her to her doctor, dentist and hair appointments. I truly felt like I was giving back to her for all she had done for me as a child. At 89 her medical conditions worsened. She came to live with my husband and me. My husband totally catered to her and loved doing things for her. For the next 2 years she would occasionally bring up going to a long term care facility. After a few days she would change her mind. Throughout this time, my sisters would gently suggest that I put her in LTC. Both my husband and I agreed she would stay with us until she was ready for LTC. At times she would need to be hospitalized. I would visit her daily. One sister told me it wasn’t necessary to do that. I was shocked. Why wouldn’t I? At 90 Mom decided she was ready for LTC and she moved. She turned 91 in April and is comfortable in her new home. In retrospect, I see that we had to rearrange our lives when she moved in. But so what? I can’t think of a better reason. It is amazing how far away she seems now though its only 40 minutes. I usually visit 2 or 3 times per week. But, it is so not the same. I miss her.

OP, this is just the other side of things. I’m sure there’s a big difference between mom and MIL. Without all the stress of her living with you, you should be able to have some very nice visits with her (wherever she goes). I would suggest you make a big deal out of all your visits…maybe a nice gift or taking her to lunch. Much easier to deal with a couple of hours, than 24/7. I pray your family and in-laws will find a reasonable solution for all.

God Bless You.
I think the key in your situation versus the OP’s is that this was YOUR mother, not your MIL. Very different dynamics for sure for most people 😃
 
I think the key in your situation versus the OP’s is that this was YOUR mother, not your MIL. Very different dynamics for sure for most people 😃
That’s true, too, to some extent, but some people are just hard to live with. Like I said in my earlier post, I really like my MIL, but I couldn’t live with her. And neither could my husband. But **both **of us would be fine living with my mother (in our home). She is very easy to get along with and not particular about anything.

I have a feeling I’m the kind of person who would be hard for my adult children to live with. So maybe I should start working on that now…:hmmm:
 
That’s true, too, to some extent, but some people are just hard to live with. Like I said in my earlier post, I really like my MIL, but I couldn’t live with her. And neither could my husband. But **both **of us would be fine living with my mother (in our home). She is very easy to get along with and not particular about anything.

I have a feeling I’m the kind of person who would be hard for my adult children to live with. So maybe I should start working on that now…:hmmm:
LOL….yes, that is EXACTLY how I would feel regarding my mom versus my MIL (who just bought a house a mile down the road from us….please pray for me :gopray2:) But, I do think, in general, moms tend to be more well-behaved toward their own daughters than their daughter-in-laws and usually have a closer relationship with them. Unfortunately, my MIL doesn’t have any daughters to focus her time and energy on :rolleyes:

If I survive my husband, I plan to live out my days on a cruise ship….cheaper than a nursing home 😃
 
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