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It seems to be more of a megachurch thing. Now mainstream Calvinism and their other Evangelical cousins are all about sola fide, but none would argue that believing in God and doing good works would damn someone, just that the works are irrelevant.

As for religion, I think they mean ritual, the Mass, intercessory prayer to the saints.
 
I think your Evangelical friend is really trying to say
  1. Jesus Christ + Good Works = Hell
  2. Jesus Christ + Religion = Hell
  3. Jesus Christ Alone in Heaven
I hope that is not too puzzling.

Could I just say no generally Evangelicals do not say that, but one thing you will find historically is that one wrong teaching will result in another wrong teaching which will result in another wrong teaching and after enough generations we are so far removed from Truth. That is why every generation of Protestantism will split and divide into more diversity, even leading to cult at times.

I have also noticed a history in Protestantism that is shedding beliefs, shed that belief, then shed that belief, then shed that belief and you end up at the point where there is just 2 passages of Scripture and the rest is just filler.
 
Sounds like he’s desperate. :rolleyes:

And the most embarrassing type of proof texting.

MJ
 
The theology behind those 3 statements is very flawed and requires that you directly ignore or with extreme difficulty twist the statements in the bible to the contrary.

The idea goes something like this: St. Paul makes a big deal in most of his epistles about the importance of Faith. He sais taht it is By Faith alone, and not by works of the law that we are saved.

the works of the Law when correctly interpreted mean the rituals of Judaism. Circumcision, Tithes, Animal Sacrifices, etc. St paul makes this link very clear, and never imagined that people would not understand that that was what he meant by “Works of the Law”

1500 years later the link to the Jewish faith was far weaker. the understanding of their law and their Works was very different. Luther and Calvin missunderstood.

But in the Gospel, the Letters of James and even in the works of St Paul we see other places where it is explicit in the extreme that Faith without good works will not save you. If your faith does not inspire you to spread the Good News, (Evangelize) and to do works of mercy (Charity) (Feed the hungry, clothe the Naked…) that your faith is false or dead, and Jesus will not recognize you when you come for Judgment.

Jesus own rule is: Faith without good works = Hell.
The interpretation of some protestant groups on the meanings of the books of St. Paul CANNOT trump what Jesus himself said in the Gospels.!!!

In terms of Religion:
Jesus made it very clear: A branch cut from the vine will wither and die. I am the vine you are the branches.
You are Kephas, and on the Kephas I will build my Church and the Gates on Hell will not prevail against it.(Kephas is the Aramaic for Rock, translated into Greek we get Petros/Petra from where we then get the name Peter)

“They sit in the Chair of Moses, you must listen to them” (Referring to the Priests)
The chair of Moses is replaced with the Chair of Peter… the principle remains.

Jesus Never railed against organised religion. He criticised hypocrisy in the leaders that’s a very different thing.

Jesus Gave us a church. He Gave us a Hierarchy, Priests and Bishops with the authority to “Bind and Loose”, who have the authority to teach us the Gospel, and tell us what the True interpretation of the scriptures and the Sacred Tradition is. You cannot follow Jesus without “Religion”
 
Faith without works - James 2:14 - has already been mentioned.

Also Ephesians 2:10 - “For we are his handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for the good works that God has prepared in advance, that we should live in them.”
 
=choliks;10685187]This is a wall post on Facebook from a friend, who is an Evangelical. His comment was “Crystal clear…”
I couldn’t wrap my head around points 1 and 2. It doesn’t make sense to me. Is this a common belief/teaching among Evangelicals?
DUH:shrug:

That is NOT from any bible I have ever seen.

Question is this from the “Book of Mormon?” or what is it from?

And It is not a non-catholic Christian teaching in any faith I have studied.

So friend?

What is the point of your OPQ?
 
It seems to be more of a megachurch thing. Now mainstream Calvinism and their other Evangelical cousins are all about sola fide, but none would argue that believing in God and doing good works would damn someone, just that the works are irrelevant.

As for religion, I think they mean ritual, the Mass, intercessory prayer to the saints.
Good works are the fruits of faith. Roman Catholics also believe that.
 
I’m twice dammed according to this odd mathematical formula.

Frankly the formula doesn’t bother me - the he good news is that if hell is propagated by people who do love Jesus, do good works and are religious then it sound like there’s a chance that we’ll convert hell itself. 😃
 
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