Q about last Sunday's homily -- woman priestesess

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Last Sunday, within the homily our priest said in the future there would be woman priestessess. It would be gradual, but probably eventually come. He said specifically in places where nuns are, but no priest, he sees the Mother Superior being ordained.
He mentioned that JPII said no to women being priests, but Benedict could change that or the Pope after Benedict.

I thought it was something that could never change. It’s been the only time I have been uncomfortable about what our priest said during his homilies.

Is it something that can change depending on the Pope? That seems odd because it could go back and forth depending on the Pope.

Thank you for any replies.
 
Maria3m said:
Last Sunday, within the homily our priest said in the future there would be woman priestessess. It would be gradual, but probably eventually come. He said specifically in places where nuns are, but no priest, he sees the Mother Superior being ordained.
He mentioned that JPII said no to women being priests, but Benedict could change that or the Pope after Benedict.

I thought it was something that could never change. It’s been the only time I have been uncomfortable about what our priest said during his homilies.

Is it something that can change depending on the Pope? That seems odd because it could go back and forth depending on the Pope.

Thank you for any replies.
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No, your priest is mistaken. The fact that women cannot receive priestly ordination is a matter of faith according to the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium. He may not understand that it is not a matter that is changeable this is perhaps because of a poor understanding of the usage or papal infallibility.
 
The Church has no authority to change a sacrament. Jesus chose Holy Orders to be what they are; who are we to argue with Him?
 
Maria3m said:
Last Sunday, within the homily our priest said in the future there would be woman priestessess.
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His public dissent contrary to the pope and Catholic magisterium is a CRIME according the the 1983 Code of Canon Laws. Please write the bishop and explain what he taught in the homily. He is in need of an episcopal warning.

See Sacerdotalis Ordinatioand the Responsum ad dubiumof the Congregation of the Doctrine of Faith.
This teaching requires definitive assent, since, founded on the written Word of God, and from the beginning constantly preserved and applied in the Tradition of the Church, it has been set forth infallibly by the ordinary and universal Magisterium (cf. Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution on the Church Lumen Gentium 25, 2). Thus, in the present circumstances, the Roman Pontiff, exercising his proper office of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32), has handed on this same teaching by a formal declaration, explicitly stating what is to be held always, everywhere, and by all, as belonging to the deposit of the faith.

[Congregation of the Doctrine of Faith, *Responsum ad dubium,
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28 Oct 1995]

Canon law requires the definitive assent of all Catholics, to include this priest. Read what the pope had to say “TO PROTECT THE FAITH of the Catholic Church against errors arising from certain members of the Christian faithful…”

AD TUENDAM FIDEM

**Canon 750 **§ 2. Furthermore, each and everything set forth definitively by the Magisterium of the Church regarding teaching on faith and morals must be firmly accepted and held; namely, those things required for the holy keeping and faithful exposition of the deposit of faith; therefore, anyone who rejects propositions which are to be held definitively sets himself against the teaching of the Catholic Church.

Your priest in a most explicit and unholy use of the liturgy, has violated canon 750.

Canon law prescribes he receive a warning from the Bishop or Apostolic See for such a violation, and if the dissident priest does not retract, he is to be punished under canon 1371. Observe…

Canon 1371 – The following are to be punished with a just penalty:

1° a person who, apart from the case mentioned in canon 1364 § 1, teaches a doctrine condemned by the Roman Pontiff, or by an Ecumenical Council, or obstinately rejects the teachings mentioned in canon 750 § 2 or in canon 752 and, when warned by the Apostolic See or by the Ordinary, does not retract

May God protect us from such criminal behavior from our clergy.
 
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What part of infallible is confusing??
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Thank you all. I was pretty sure what he was saying didn’t sound right, but I didn’t think a priest would be wrong on this…something so close to him…that’s what was confusing to me.

So that leaves he just didn’t know (which I have to believe) or he just wanted to say something that would make parishoners who question why only men, happy.
 
originally posted by Maria3m
Last Sunday, within the homily our priest said in the future there would be woman priestessess. It would be gradual, but probably eventually come.
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:eek: Oh! That is so wrong!
If it was me, (and it’s not) I would address this with the Bishop.
 
itsjustdave1988 said:

His public dissent contrary to the pope and Catholic magisterium is a CRIME according the the 1983 Code of Canon Laws. Please write the bishop and explain what he taught in the homily. He is in need of an episcopal warning.​

May God protect us from such criminal behavior from our clergy.
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Goodness I feel bad now.

Isn’t anyone going to suggest that I talk with him about it first? :gopray2: Doesn’t that seem like the right thing to do first?
 
Maria3m said:
Goodness I feel bad now.

Isn’t anyone going to suggest that I talk with him about it first? :gopray2: Doesn’t that seem like the right thing to do first?
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By all means talk to him. However, this is a grave sin and public scandal which demands intervention by the bishop. You talking to him does not satisfy the prescriptions of canon law, nor does it undo the public scandal. I’m sad to say that this requires intervention by the bishop due to the seriousness of the offense which has a grave deterimental affect on the faith of all those exposed to his homily.
 
Maria3m said:
Goodness I feel bad now.

Isn’t anyone going to suggest that I talk with him about it first? :gopray2: Doesn’t that seem like the right thing to do first?
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Yes Maria, on the chance you could of misunderstood his homaily in the first place.
 
Maria3m said:
Last Sunday, within the homily our priest said in the future there would be woman priestessess. It would be gradual, but probably eventually come. He said specifically in places where nuns are, but no priest, he sees the Mother Superior being ordained.
He mentioned that JPII said no to women being priests, but Benedict could change that or the Pope after Benedict.

I thought it was something that could never change. It’s been the only time I have been uncomfortable about what our priest said during his homilies.

Is it something that can change depending on the Pope? That seems odd because it could go back and forth depending on the Pope.

Thank you for any replies.
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No it cannot change and never will. Your priest has committed a grave error that must be reported to the Bishop. This is not something that can be overlooked.
 
Maria3m said:
He mentioned that JPII said no to women being priests, but Benedict could change that or the Pope after Benedict.
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Pax vobiscum!

I can’t be the only one who thinks this statement is absolutely hilarious! :rotfl:

Cardinal Ratzinger WROTE Inter Insignores for JPII, which is what he based Ordinatio Sacerdotalis on. I can only assume this priest doesn’t know Pope Benedict very well.

In Christ,
Rand
 
From an historical standpoint, the concept of female priests is nothing new. Religions which used priestesses were those who worshipped feminine deities, such as Diana or Athena. Thus, the concept would not have been foreign to ancient Christians (for that matter, surgical abortions remarkably similar to modern ones were performed by Roman physicians before the time of Christ, and the first Christian condemnation of abortion was about 100 AD). The fact remains that our God, although beyond gender and bearing all attributes of fatherhood and motherhood, is by His relation to us Our Father. Just like abortion, women’s ordination has already been examined a long time before 1969 and found incompatible with Christian teaching. There really is nothing new under the sun.
 
Also its in the CCC that women may not be ordained, I know because I read that paragraph to my 6th grade boys ccd class after the question came up. I don’t have the number handy at the moment.
 
Maria3m said:
Last Sunday, within the homily our priest said in the future there would be woman priestessess. It would be gradual, but probably eventually come. He said specifically in places where nuns are, but no priest, he sees the Mother Superior being ordained.
He mentioned that JPII said no to women being priests, but Benedict could change that or the Pope after Benedict.

I thought it was something that could never change. It’s been the only time I have been uncomfortable about what our priest said during his homilies.

Is it something that can change depending on the Pope? That seems odd because it could go back and forth depending on the Pope.

Thank you for any replies.
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Unfortunately, he is not the only one who promotes this ideology. I think someone reported on these forums a while back that there was a bishop who didn’t even know why women were ordained priests.
 
He needs to be reported to the Bishop not only for the reason mentioned but also because he seems to not understand fundamental Catholic Concepts that a priest should have firm grasps on and that being that a future pope can not contradict the official teachings of a previous pope.
 
Maria3m said:
Last Sunday, within the homily our priest said in the future there would be woman priestessess. It would be gradual, but probably eventually come. He said specifically in places where nuns are, but no priest, he sees the Mother Superior being ordained.
He mentioned that JPII said no to women being priests, but Benedict could change that or the Pope after Benedict.

I thought it was something that could never change. It’s been the only time I have been uncomfortable about what our priest said during his homilies.

Is it something that can change depending on the Pope? That seems odd because it could go back and forth depending on the Pope.

Thank you for any replies.
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If I were you, I would find another parish. Your priest is wrong, and is leading women in the wrong direction. Women cannot and will never be ordained. (Who would want to have the women who are screaming for ordination “rights” to be their priests anyway?)
 
The day there are priestesses there’s no reason to stay in the Church because it has apostacized IMO and all its teachings are now suspect. As if the feminization of the Church hasn’t driven most of the men out, do this you’ll have an all female Church. Maybe a Deaconess I could see since there is historical context for it (I wouldn’t like it), but never a priestess.

Once priestesses happen I may as well go to a nice non-denominational Church since to me the truth of the Catholic Church would come under serious scrutiny.
 
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