Q: Blessed Mary and free will

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Was Marys sinlessness in anyway an infringement on her free will?

If it was God that kept her from sinning then she could not choose to sin, taking away her free will.
If it was from her own power then did she need a savior?
 
Was Marys sinlessness in anyway an infringement on her free will?

If it was God that kept her from sinning then she could not choose to sin, taking away her free will.
If it was from her own power then did she need a savior?
You’re presuming that just because she did NOT sin, that she did not have free will to sin. Lacking original sin (because she had a savior in Christ Jesus), she did not suffer the same inclination and temptation to sin as others, but she still had every amount of free will to choose sin. In the same way, she had every ability to refuse Jesus entering the world through her womb, and yet she chose to carry that honor.
 
Was Marys sinlessness in anyway an infringement on her free will?

If it was God that kept her from sinning then she could not choose to sin, taking away her free will.
If it was from her own power then did she need a savior?
Mary had no power what so ever!! Mary was human just like you and I. Her saviour is God the one and only king!!
 
Mary had no power what so ever!! Mary was human just like you and I. Her saviour is God the one and only king!!
I wouldn’t exactly say that. After all, there’s only one person in the bible who’s refered to as the Mother of God, and that’s Mary. I’d say “Mother of God” is a pretty distinct title that renders her not “just like you and I.”

That being said, there are also theological implications if Mary was not immaculate, which include problems which would cast doubt on the sufficiency of Christ’s Sacrifice. All in all, the theology of the gospels makes more sense if Mary is sinless.
 
When you’re in the state of grace, you are holy, and this holiess dose not take away your free-will. You can still choose evil. But you are more inclined to good and are less tempted to sin. The same goes for Mary, who was constantly all-holy from the moment her life began (and life begins at conception). All holiness comes from God, who is Thrice-Holy.
 
And let us not forget our first parents, Adam and Eve. In the beginning, like Mary, they were free from the stain of any sin, and had sanctifying grace; they did not have the propensity to sin like we do, and had all the unlimited grace of God to fight sin. And yet they sinned, and we all bear the consequences…
 
Was Marys sinlessness in anyway an infringement on her free will?

If it was God that kept her from sinning then she could not choose to sin, taking away her free will.
If it was from her own power then did she need a savior?
Mary was sinless because, WITH GRACE, she CHOSE not to sin. That has been the constant teaching of the Church, not only with regards to Mary, but to any who is able to resist sin (even momentarily). We believe that Mary was SO devoted to God, that she would not sin (note: I didn’t say she COULD not sin).

Blessings,
Marduk
 
Mary was sinless because, WITH GRACE, she CHOSE not to sin. That has been the constant teaching of the Church, not only with regards to Mary, but to any who is able to resist sin (even momentarily). We believe that Mary was SO devoted to God, that she would not sin (note: I didn’t say she COULD not sin).

Blessings,
Marduk
So outside of original sin, she would not have needed a savior?
ie. If Mary was not Immaculate her only sin would have been the sin of Adam and Eve, correct?
 
Was Marys sinlessness in anyway an infringement on her free will?

If it was God that kept her from sinning then she could not choose to sin, taking away her free will.
If it was from her own power then did she need a savior?
no she had the same condition as Adam and Eve, freedom from original sin and from its concupiscence, yet they were tempted and fell by sinning, she did not. She had the same free will they did.
 
no she had the same condition as Adam and Eve, freedom from original sin and from its concupiscence, yet they were tempted and fell by sinning, she did not. She had the same free will they did.
Thank you.
I would like to know if outside of original sin, she would not have needed a savior?
ie. If Mary was not Immaculate her only sin would have been the sin of Adam and Eve, correct?
 
Thank you.
I would like to know if outside of original sin, she would not have needed a savior?
ie. If Mary was not Immaculate her only sin would have been the sin of Adam and Eve, correct?
If Adam and Eve had obeyed, and every single human being since then had obeyed, no savior would be required.

Mary need a savior precisely to be spared original sin. Christ’s saving work was the basis for her state.
 
Thank you.
I would like to know if outside of original sin, she would not have needed a savior?
ie. If Mary was not Immaculate her only sin would have been the sin of Adam and Eve, correct?
Every human being needs a savior. In Mary’s case, Jesus saved her before she sinned. In our case, He saves us after we sin. Mary was born without original sin because it was God’s will. It was His doing, not hers.
 
🙂 I just had an idea

Romans 4:3
What does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

James 2:21-22
Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.

Luke 1:45
Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished!"

Mary was credited as righteousness because she believed, and for the actions to be accomplished she needed to be credited. Her faith was made complete by what she did.

All we need is an example of God doing something for His purpose to someone before they were born…

John 9:2-3
His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.

Praise God!
I might make a thread about this
 
So outside of original sin, she would not have needed a savior?
The one and ONLY source of the Grace of sinlessness (the same Grace we receive at Baptism) is the one Sacrific of Christ. Simply put, the Grace Mary received at the moment of her conception, is the same Grace that we receive at Baptism.
ie. If Mary was not Immaculate her only sin would have been the sin of Adam and Eve, correct?
That would be incorrect. Mary needed the Grace she received at her conception in order to be sinless. She could not by any means be sinless by her own power. Her sinlessness was a constant free-will response to the Grace she received at her conception. As Jesus taught us, without Him, we can do nothing.

I hope that helps.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
That would be incorrect. Mary needed the Grace she received at her conception in order to be sinless. She could not by any means be sinless by her own power. Her sinlessness was a constant free-will response to the Grace she received at her conception. As Jesus taught us, without Him, we can do nothing.
but like Job, by her actions she was blameless.
 
🙂 I just had an idea

Romans 4:3
What does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

James 2:21-22
Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.

Luke 1:45
Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished!"

Mary was credited as righteousness because she believed, and for the actions to be accomplished she needed to be credited. Her faith was made complete by what she did.

All we need is an example of God doing something for His purpose to someone before they were born…

John 9:2-3
His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.

Praise God!
I might make a thread about this
Here’s an even better example of God doing something for His purpose to someone before they were born.

Luke 1:14-15
He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth.
 
but like Job, by her actions she was blameless.
If anyone was considered blameless in Scripture, it could not have been anything but by the Grace of God. No man can do anything on his own apart from God.

Blessings
 
Here’s an even better example of God doing something for His purpose to someone before they were born.

Luke 1:14-15
He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth.
That’s good. Tradition normally regards St. John to have been filled with the Holy Spirit during Mary’s visitation of Elizabeth, as Scripture records (the baby leapt in her womb upon hearing Mary’s greeting).

Imagine what greater honor must Mary have received, she who was greater than John the Baptist.

Blessings
 
Peace be with you!

I have 2 questions that require answers for clarification:
  1. If Mary had exercised her freewill and said “no” in response to her calling, would that have been a sin considering it was going against God’s will?
  2. If Adam & Eve did not need a savior before Original Sin, why would Mary? After all, she’s the new Eve who was also created with the supernatural & preternatural gifts.
Thank you & God bless.
 
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