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rmcmullan said:
HoseMonkey, you might want to tone down that rhetoric. I hate to sound like your high school history teacher but if you want respect, you ought to give it too.

I’d like to enjoy a civil discussion with intelligent, thoughtful Catholics. I’m not trying to convert you. I’d like to know what you think and why but I see little purpose in ranting. Well, okay, every now and then a good rant is lots of fun, but not for every one, just the rantee.
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Just tellin’ it like it is. Mormonism and it’s origins simply do not stand up to scrutiny. The LDS church has spent millions trying to validate the book of mormon, to no avail. Pack of lies? If only to be charitable, a work of fiction. If mormonism is based on the book of mormon and the ever-changing “revelations” of earthly “prophets”, then it is proveably a fraud. I do not require the respect of false religion.
 
Karin said:
Really?
Is it not the purpose of the Mormon Missonary to convert people???

missionary is traditionally defined as a propagator of religion* who works to convert those outside that community; someone who *proselytizes
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Uh, yes, absolutely. But they know the difference between receptive and non-receptive and I am not expecting to find anybody in the latter category on the Catholic forums! And, you’ll have to take my word for it, but I’m not trying to convert any of you.
 
hosemonkey said:
I do not require the respect of false religion.
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I’m not a false religion, I’m someone who enjoys posting to the Catholic forums. I am a person who you might disagree with but I think everyone deserves a certain minimum of respect.
 
rmcmullan said:
Uh, yes, absolutely. But they know the difference between receptive and non-receptive and I am not expecting to find anybody in the latter category on the Catholic forums! And, you’ll have to take my word for it, but I’m not trying to convert any of you.
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ok then…I’ll take your word for it.
 
zerinus said:
Your question isn’t much different from his question. It is the same kind of thing, couched in different words. I will only answer a part of your question:

The answer to that is given by St Paul:

1 Corinthians 3:13: “Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is”.

For “work” put “testimony,” and you will get your answer. Whatever Paul has written about “work,” is equally valid for “testimony”. The day of the Lord shall “declare it . . . of what sort it is”. I say that my testimony is of the Holy Ghost, and you say that your testimony is of the Holy Ghost—and they don’t agree. So what is the solution? The answer is that “the Lord shall declare it,” when the day of reckoning comes. In the mean time, I am happy to stick to my testimony, and I presume you do the same. Obviously not everybody thinks as you do, otherwise nobody would join our Church. But they do, in large numbers. Our message is intended for them, not for you. I look forward to see you when the day of the Lord comes; and we shall see whose testimony was of God, and whose wasn’t.

zerinus
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How can you be so haughty while claiming to be a Holy man! Gods word is for ALL! I’ve had a great deal of respect for all my Mormon brothers, you are doing what you feel is right -Amen- to you for that. Who are we to say one tribe does not belong to the Father. We are one body in this ONE Lord! We are students NOT TEACHERS, by saying his word is not for another you commit a sin against the Holy Spirit itself and I for one will pray for your repentance.
 
zerinus said:
Your question isn’t much different from his question. It is the same kind of thing, couched in different words. I will only answer a part of your question:

The answer to that is given by St Paul:

1 Corinthians 3:13: “Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is”.

For “work” put “testimony,” and you will get your answer. Whatever Paul has written about “work,” is equally valid for “testimony”. The day of the Lord shall “declare it . . . of what sort it is”. I say that my testimony is of the Holy Ghost, and you say that your testimony is of the Holy Ghost—and they don’t agree. So what is the solution? The answer is that “the Lord shall declare it,” when the day of reckoning comes. In the mean time, I am happy to stick to my testimony, and I presume you do the same. Obviously not everybody thinks as you do, otherwise nobody would join our Church. But they do, in large numbers. Our message is intended for them, not for you. I look forward to see you when the day of the Lord comes; and we shall see whose testimony was of God, and whose wasn’t.

zerinus
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Ceil-1 said:
Yes, but Mr. Zerinus did not answer my question. What was that experience? Where did it originate from? It wasn’t the Holy Spirit, that much I am sure of. Is there some sort of mass hypnotic state that occurs? Are these Mormons dangerous? Not meaning, of course, your average low-level Mormon. But, what of the high-ranking ones?

I have investigated the Mormon religion because I am originally from the neighboring city to the original place in Palmyra, so, naturally there are many Mormons. My husband admitted to me later that he had been investigating it seriously but dropped it when they came to the part about men becoming gods of their own planets and how they become like Jesus is to the Mormons.
Even in the miserable spiritual state he was in he realized that such a thing is, at best, blasphemy, and at worst apostasy.

I still want to know what that experience was, but I can’t get any Mormon to talk about it. What would cause someone to believe such an unusual set of beliefs other than some sort of auto-suggestion? Even those of you who have the LDS faith must admit that your doctrines are a bit odd.
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I myself have been catholic born and raised I believe your question can be answered with scripture. When and if you still doubt, and when and if you are 100% certain it hadn’t come from God, your answer is clear. (although I’m uncertain of the exact text)
" The Devil loves to disguise himself as an Angel of Light!"
Your Brother in Christ,
Matthew
 
If Mormonism is correct then Islam trumps them! Islam claimed the same apostasy (from the Hebrews and Catholic Church) and that is why an angel (!) recited the Koran to Mohammed.

Both ‘religiions’ are sects; both are cafeteria style pickings of whatever needs to be taught to the true believers. The apostasy of the Catholic Church argument is a recent LDS invention: it started in the 1970s when the Leadership started ‘retranslating’ Joseph Smith’s ‘perfect’ Book of Mormon. Got to get rid of those pesky passages about black skin being a mark of inferiority! And those multiple gods! And sex being fun in the afterlife! (that last one told to me by Boyd Jensen-his dad was the Comptroller for the LDS church-when he was trying to convert me “Hey Jonathan, did you know we are American Catholics?!” in law school back in the late 70s.)

What the tenets are of the Faith is what matters. If organizations that are nationality based or ethnic based, such as Mormonism and Islam, teach forced conversion (baptise those microfiche! Say no God but Allah and Mohammed is His profit[sic]!) and rewrite history, then I say RUN AS FAR AS YOU CAN and that’s my meat before milk and wine (oh, Mormon missionaries say at Cana Jesus turned water into grape juice: my Israeli father-in-law said there is not Hebrew or Aramaic word for ‘grape juice,’ and my Greek professor laughed at my Mormon college buddy, Peter, when he insisted there was).

Irony of ironies, I would wager that most Mormons are Strict Constructionists when it comes to the US Constitution, yet fall on flat on their Janus-side faces when it comes to Hebrew (through the Greek Septuagint) Scripture and (Catholic taught and Catholic written and Catholic preserved) New Testament Canon. Go figure!
 
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