Q- What causes Holocaust denialism?

[catharina]

Can you provide a source that mentions tests for cyanide residue?

Thanks,
Ed

Ed, thank you.

 

[excubitor]

Can you provide a source that mentions tests for cyanide residue?

Thanks,
Ed

As a WW2 researcher I am suprised that you are not aware of the Rudolf report.
vho.org/GB/Books/trr/index.html#toc

This report totally debunks that Zyklon B was used to mass murder humans at Auschwitz.

But what is so shocking is that this poor man who did this research was arrested and spent 18 months in jail. What crime did he commit? Inciting racial hatred?

The reason he had to go to jail was because he was too credible, his research was too excellent. He could not be just written off as being a kook. So they had to suppress him with any number of threats.

Jailing, sacking and discrediting the dissenting voice is going on to this day.

Now why would a researcher risk discreditation and jail if it were not because he upheld the integrity of his research?

 

[edwest2]

I am familiar with this material. If you do a google search, you will find “holocaust denier Ernst Zundel.”

However, I am glad you presented this material for people to consider. There are a few mysteries associated with Auschwitz that go beyond the OP. One is the Buna rubber plant located nearby. As far as is known, it produced no Buna at all though the process was well known to the Germans. A few bomb craters in one recon photo indicates at least one attempt was made to bomb it. And what was the other work assigned to the prisoners? The SS, German Air Force and Army were all involved with the Buna (synthetic rubber) plant that was under the operational control of IG Farben, the largest chemical concern in the world at the time.

Peace,
Ed

 

[excubitor]

I am familiar with this material. If you do a google search, you will find “holocaust denier Ernst Zundel.”

However, I am glad you presented this material for people to consider. There are a few mysteries associated with Auschwitz that go beyond the OP. One is the Buna rubber plant located nearby. As far as is known, it produced no Buna at all though the process was well known to the Germans. A few bomb craters in one recon photo indicates at least one attempt was made to bomb it. And what was the other work assigned to the prisoners? The SS, German Air Force and Army were all involved with the Buna (synthetic rubber) plant that was under the operational control of IG Farben, the largest chemical concern in the world at the time.

Peace,
Ed

All kinds of materials were made at Auschwitz not just rubber. In fact there were at least 40 industries being engaged. Forced labour was brought from all over Europe to this dreadful place to work in the factories. Whether or not Buna S was ever successfully produced at the Monowitz concentration camp is irrelevant. The point is clear that all the Auschwitz camps were labour camps where prisoners and forced labourers were producing products of all kinds. Nor were all the people prisoners. A large proportion were paid workers.

It just does not make sense that you would systematically exterminate your workforce who were producing goods vital to the war effort.

The story goes that trainloads of Jews got shipped into Auschwitz where they got sorted out. The ones who could work went to the concentration camp, the ones which could not work like women children and disabled and elderly were sent to the gas chamber at Birkenau. This too is a monstrous absurdity. Why would you pay to transport people from all over Europe just to kill them. Surely the efficient Germans would sort them out before they got on the train and only put those who could work on the train and kill the rest back in their home towns. If indeed they were barbarous murderers.

Then when we look at Auschwitz. 30 metres from the supposed gas chamber is the Auschwitz hospital. There is also the Auschwitz pool, theatre and library. And about 300 metres from the supposed gas chamber is the base commanders residence. Here are some photos of the Auschwitz orchestra whale.to/b/auschwitz_orchestra.html

Here are some photos of the Auschwitz kitchen. I have seen any number of photos of the Auschwitz inmates looking healthy well fed, not exactly happy, but certainly not in fits of terror, if it were true that mass exterminations were occurring and the air thick with the stench of thousands of corpses per day being cremated. whale.to/b/birkenau_kitchen.html

So clearly entire populations of Jews came to Auschwitz by enforced relocations. Those who could work did so, and those who could not just lived in the camp. This is proven by the many photos of the liberated inmates. These were the elderly disabled who could not go on the so-called “death march” out of Auschwitz. That is another story. The photos show all of these “sickly” people in relatively good health.

The Germans were meticulous record-keepers. The museum of auschwitz has volumes of these en.auschwitz.org.pl/m/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=109&Itemid=8
They record 200,000 Jews and 167,000 Catholics and about 30,000 of other faiths.
The death records show that of these 30,000 Jews died and about 30,000 Catholics and 10,000 of other faiths.
So why do we lament the tragic death of Jews (which of course is right and proper) and yet utterly forget the tragic loss of life of our Catholic brothers and sisters, primarily due to Typhus outbreaks which occurred in these camps.

I have also seen charts which show that the death rates spiked at known times during a couple of Typhus outbreaks. I can show pictures of shaved inmates women, children and men who have been shaved to prevent lice outbreaks. Lice carry the Typhus disease. Why would you shave people you are going to exterminate? I can show the steam washers where clothes were treated to kill the lice.

But then Piper the curator of the museum shows us on the one hand the meticulous records of 200,000 Jews admitted to the camps, and then on the other hand asks us to believe that 900,000 Jews were exterminated in gas chambers without any records being kept and without any photos being taken. And going back 40 years ago they were saying that 4,000,000 Jews were exterminated there. In fact at the Nuremburg trials in 1845 the French Research Department estimated 8,000,000 deaths at Auschwitz.
Bishop Williamson is labelled a holocaust denier because he questions the number of dead in the holocaust. Even so, clearly there are a lot of official revisionists who have been quietly holocaust denying because they have revised the Auschwitz extermination toll down from 8 million down to 4 million and now down to 1 million.
The fact that they can only provide evidence for the death of 40,000 people (mostly dead by Typhus) does not seem to phase them. In WW1 3 million people died of Typhus in Russia. So the fact that the Nazi’s limited the deaths from Typhus to less than 30,000 is a testimony really to their excellent rodent and lice controls which they implemented at their labour camps.

 

[excubitor]

Infamous pictures of mass graves and emaciated corpses which we are led to assume were victims of the terrors of Nazi exterminations at Auschwitz were in fact victims of Typhus (also called camp fever) which the allies discovered at Belsen. Most of these victims at Belsen died in the last days of the war when the Germans fled the camp to escape the allies. The prisoners were effectively left to starve. In their weakened state they succumbed to the epidemic. 50,000 people died in two years at Belsen, but almost 15,000 of those died in the ten days after the liberation.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen-Belsen_concentration_camp

This website even shows a photo of a very high standard medical facility at Belsen where the sick were treated and deloused.
If you look at this timeline
bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Timeline/Timeline1943.html and bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Timeline/Timeline1944.html that hardly any prisoners died considering the hundreds that were arriving every week. It’s only in 1945 as the allies advance and start destroying the German infrastructure with bombings and invasion that the German’s start to lose control. Dresden and Wesel have effectively been wiped off the map. Here is a picture of Wesel after the allieds firebombing
bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Timeline/TimelinePUWesel.html

In March of 1945 the food supply utterly fails even though food supplies have been very tight for months. 18,000 die in March. Then in April the Water supply fails after Allies have bombed and destroyed the water supply. Up until the 13th of April another 18000 have died.
bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Timeline/Timeline1944.html

Therefore it is quite obvious that almost all of the 50,000 deaths occurred as a direct result of the turbulence of war in the last months of the German regime as food, water and infrastructure failed and not by some premeditated or monstrous extermination program or neglect by the Germans over a period of years.

 

[chosen_people]

There are still alive today tens of thousands of witnesses to the Shoah, people who worked in the camps or were interned there, served in the armed forces during the war, people whose families were destroyed. Millions of documents exist as do physical evidence. Scores of people have been placed on trial and the evidence examined. Governments have acknowledged responsibility.

When we try to examine if the Shoah is a hoax that never happened we see the impossibility of taking such a large number of people, settling on a common story, backing it up with documents, getting the cooperation of changing governments throughout the years, getting people to admit responsibility for actions they did not commit, getting judges to be derelict in their duties. Such a hoax would have had to be started during the time of the Nazi regime and require their cooperation. We would have to have hidden half the Jews of Europe and found an acceptable cover story for everyone. We would have to believe that Anne Frank didn’t die in Auschwitz but is living on a island with Elvis. Such a hoax would require not only sly cunning but trillions of dollars and endless power. Luckily for those that believe that there were no gas chambers, that some six million Jews did not die, they have one group that they believe does indeed have endless power, endless money and endless sly cunning. The Jews.

Now of course your Holocaust denier is not just a rabid anti-Semite but a true paranoid delusional. So it should come as no surprise that a certain nameless Bishop, who denies the Holocaust and the gas chambers and comforts us that well maybe “only” so many hundred of thousands of Jews died, also believes that 9/11 is a lie. Just as he is able to wax profound on gas chambers, he is also an expert on the effect of commercial jet aircraft crashing into buildings. He will explain to anyone willing to listen that the World Trade Towers were not destroyed as a result of being hit by commercial aircraft nor was the Pentagon damaged by a commercial aircraft. This he believes to be obvious. The nose of a commercial aircraft he tells us is simply to soft to cause that sort of damage. As in the case of the Shoah, overwhelming evidence does not deter him. In his world, you, poor soul, have been duped to believe that the Jews were gassed to death, just as you have been duped to believe that a commercial airplane could cause the damage to the pentagon.

The sad things for Catholics is that not only Jews are being besmirched by the Holocaust deniers but also the memory of those Righteous Gentiles who risked their lives and sometimes gave them in their attempt to save Jews. If there was no Holocaust then these blessed souls saved no one, risked nothing. Just as the Holocaust denier gives expression to his hate of the Jews, just as he is unable to see gas chambers or to see airplanes crashing into buildings, he is unable to see the raw courage and humanity of the Catholics who stood up to the horrors of the Shoah.

In a few hours Holocaust remembrance day begins in Israel. I would ask the posters on this forum to respect its sanctity.

 

[catharina]

It just does not make sense that you would systematically exterminate your workforce who were producing goods vital to the war effort.

… unless you plan was extermination of these workers who were less-than-human-Jews.
Work 'em, starve 'em, kill 'em, disappear 'em. Nazi POLICY.

How horrifically sad to be you. There are those on CA who lost entire families, generations of Jewish relatives to the death camps. In my own case, they were Austrian Jews. That you would “expound” your distortions on a religious site, a CATHOLIC site is despicable.

 

[catharina]

There are still alive today tens of thousands of witnesses to the Shoah, people who worked in the camps or were interned there, served in the armed forces during the war, people whose families were destroyed. Millions of documents exist as do physical evidence. Scores of people have been placed on trial and the evidence examined. Governments have acknowledged responsibility.

When we try to examine if the Shoah is a hoax that never happened we see the impossibility of taking such a large number of people, settling on a common story, backing it up with documents, getting the cooperation of changing governments throughout the years, getting people to admit responsibility for actions they did not commit, getting judges to be derelict in their duties. Such a hoax would have had to be started during the time of the Nazi regime and require their cooperation. We would have to have hidden half the Jews of Europe and found an acceptable cover story for everyone. We would have to believe that Anne Frank didn’t die in Auschwitz but is living on a island with Elvis. Such a hoax would require not only sly cunning but trillions of dollars and endless power. Luckily for those that believe that there were no gas chambers, that some six million Jews did not die, they have one group that they believe does indeed have endless power, endless money and endless sly cunning. The Jews.

Now of course your Holocaust denier is not just a rabid anti-Semite but a true paranoid delusional. So it should come as no surprise that a certain nameless Bishop, who denies the Holocaust and the gas chambers and comforts us that well maybe “only” so many hundred of thousands of Jews died, also believes that 9/11 is a lie. Just as he is able to wax profound on gas chambers, he is also an expert on the effect of commercial jet aircraft crashing into buildings. He will explain to anyone willing to listen that the World Trade Towers were not destroyed as a result of being hit by commercial aircraft nor was the Pentagon damaged by a commercial aircraft. This he believes to be obvious. The nose of a commercial aircraft he tells us is simply to soft to cause that sort of damage. As in the case of the Shoah, overwhelming evidence does not deter him. In his world, you, poor soul, have been duped to believe that the Jews were gassed to death, just as you have been duped to believe that a commercial airplane could cause the damage to the pentagon.

The sad things for Catholics is that not only Jews are being besmirched by the Holocaust deniers but also the memory of those Righteous Gentiles who risked their lives and sometimes gave them in their attempt to save Jews. If there was no Holocaust then these blessed souls saved no one, risked nothing. Just as the Holocaust denier gives expression to his hate of the Jews, just as he is unable to see gas chambers or to see airplanes crashing into buildings, he is unable to see the raw courage and humanity of the Catholics who stood up to the horrors of the Shoah.

In a few hours Holocaust remembrance day begins in Israel. I would ask the posters on this forum to respect its sanctity.

Bless you.
Bless you.
Bless you.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

… unless you plan was extermination of these workers who were less-than-human-Jews.
Work 'em, starve 'em, kill 'em, disappear 'em. Nazi POLICY.

How horrifically sad to be you. There are those on CA who lost entire families, generations of Jewish relatives to the death camps. In my own case, they were Austrian Jews. That you would “expound” your garbage on a religious site, a CATHOLIC site is despicable.

Reading through this thread is so sad. How can evil be looked at “logistically”? There is no logic to evil, and mankind has shown its evil side over and over.

Elie Wiessel is still alive, he saw.

Primo Levi also described the horrors.

 

[edwest2]

It is easy to get angry reading some of the posts. A close family friend was in a concentration camp in Poland. He survived, his father did not. Their crime? They were caught trying to hide Jews from the Nazis. They were Polish Catholics.

At least we can try to examine some of the causes, and claims, of those who deny.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Michael_Francis]

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