Q- What causes Holocaust denialism?

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Something I don’t get is why would the nazi’s kill the Jews with gas when the gas which was reported to have been used would have been highly dangerous to the soldiers who ran the camps? If they were slaughterers then why did they not just use a bullet which would have been cheaper and safer.
Also, why were the Jews all so emaciated. Why did the Germans keep them alive until they were skin and bones and then gas them when they were at the point of starvation?

It just does not make sense to me. If I ask an honest question then does this make me a holocaust denier? And if I am unhappy with the explanation I am given, am I still a holocaust denier?

We all know that in the world wars, half the battle was based on propoganda. Demonising your enemy was part of the mythology built up to incense hatred and inflame your fighting force and build support for the war.

How do we know that the Soviets did not fabricate these stories? How convenient that all the so-called gas chambers were destroyed by the Soviets.

Even in Auschwitz they did tests for the residue of cyanide. They found none in the homicide chambers and stacks of residue in the delousing chambers. The concentrations of the gas were far lower to delouse than to kill a man so you should expect the residue in the so-called homicide chamber to be far higher than in the delousing chamber.

This all has the whiff of propoganda to me. Pardon the pun.
 
Something I don’t get is why would the nazi’s kill the Jews with gas when the gas which was reported to have been used would have been highly dangerous to the soldiers who ran the camps? If they were slaughterers then why did they not just use a bullet which would have been cheaper and safer.
Also, why were the Jews all so emaciated. Why did the Germans keep them alive until they were skin and bones and then gas them when they were at the point of starvation?

It just does not make sense to me. If I ask an honest question then does this make me a holocaust denier? And if I am unhappy with the explanation I am given, am I still a holocaust denier?

We all know that in the world wars, half the battle was based on propoganda. Demonising your enemy was part of the mythology built up to incense hatred and inflame your fighting force and build support for the war.

How do we know that the Soviets did not fabricate these stories? How convenient that all the so-called gas chambers were destroyed by the Soviets.

Even in Auschwitz they did tests for the residue of cyanide. They found none in the homicide chambers and stacks of residue in the delousing chambers. The concentrations of the gas were far lower to delouse than to kill a man so you should expect the residue in the so-called homicide chamber to be far higher than in the delousing chamber.

This all has the whiff of propoganda to me. Pardon the pun.
American soldiers liberated a number of camps.
Perhaps you should examine American historical
records regarding the atrocities. As a nation the USA has FACTS.

Facts regarding the camps were actually unknown until the war was at
an end and the death camps were discovered. (No use as propaganda.)
 
excubitor, one example - from the United States Holocaust Museum site:

ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005131

" … U.S. forces liberated the Buchenwald concentration camp near Weimar, Germany, on April 11, 1945, a few days after the Nazis began evacuating the camp. On the day of liberation, an underground prisoner resistance organization seized control of Buchenwald to prevent atrocities by the retreating camp guards. American forces liberated more than 20,000 prisoners at Buchenwald. **They also liberated Dora-Mittelbau, Flossenbürg, Dachau, and Mauthausen. **

British forces liberated concentration camps in northern Germany, including Neuengamme and Bergen-Belsen. They entered the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, near Celle, in mid-April 1945. Some 60,000 prisoners, most in critical condition because of a typhus epidemic, were found alive. More than 10,000 of them died from the effects of malnutrition or disease within a few weeks of liberation.

Liberators confronted unspeakable conditions in the Nazi camps, where piles of corpses lay unburied. Only after the liberation of these camps was the full scope of Nazi horrors exposed to the world. The small percentage of inmates who survived resembled skeletons because of the demands of forced labor and the lack of food, compounded by months and years of maltreatment. Many were so weak that they could hardly move. Disease remained an ever-present danger, and many of the camps had to be burned down to prevent the spread of epidemics. Survivors of the camps faced a long and difficult road to recovery. … "
 
Also, why does Auschwitz even admit to having a delousing chamber. What? They deloused their prisoners one day so that they can gas them the next. Again. It just doesn’t make sense.

By the way. I am not denying that there was a holocaust. I am simply denying the method of death.
 
excubitor, one example - from the United States Holocaust Museum site:

ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005131

" … U.S. forces liberated the Buchenwald concentration camp near Weimar, Germany, on April 11, 1945, a few days after the Nazis began evacuating the camp. On the day of liberation, an underground prisoner resistance organization seized control of Buchenwald to prevent atrocities by the retreating camp guards. American forces liberated more than 20,000 prisoners at Buchenwald. **They also liberated Dora-Mittelbau, Flossenbürg, Dachau, and Mauthausen. **

British forces liberated concentration camps in northern Germany, including Neuengamme and Bergen-Belsen. They entered the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, near Celle, in mid-April 1945. Some 60,000 prisoners, most in critical condition because of a typhus epidemic, were found alive. More than 10,000 of them died from the effects of malnutrition or disease within a few weeks of liberation.

Liberators confronted unspeakable conditions in the Nazi camps, where piles of corpses lay unburied. Only after the liberation of these camps was the full scope of Nazi horrors exposed to the world. The small percentage of inmates who survived resembled skeletons because of the demands of forced labor and the lack of food, compounded by months and years of maltreatment. Many were so weak that they could hardly move. Disease remained an ever-present danger, and many of the camps had to be burned down to prevent the spread of epidemics. Survivors of the camps faced a long and difficult road to recovery. … "
Please read carefully what I wrote. I did not deny the existence of concentration camps. In fact I even made reference to the emaciated bodies, showing that they had lived with deprivation for many months. What I denied was that they had been killed by gassing.
 
Also, why does Auschwitz even admit to having a delousing chamber. What? They deloused their prisoners one day so that they can gas them the next. Again. It just doesn’t make sense.

By the way. I am not denying that there was a holocaust. I am simply denying the method of death.
This has been documented by the American military from the last days of the war.
Do some research for yourself. It’s remarkable that any American doubts the “methods.”
 
This has been documented by the American military from the last days of the war.
Do some research for yourself. It’s remarkable that any American doubts the “methods.”
So they housed the prisoners and deloused them until they were emaciated and at the point of death by disease and hunger, and then they gassed them. I find it remarkable that any American does not question this “method”.
 
So they housed the prisoners and deloused them until they were emaciated and at the point of death by disease and hunger, and then they gassed them. I find it remarkable that any American does not question this “method”.
All were worked until death became the final end.
Little food, inadequate clothes, disease, harsh weather -
I find it incomprehensible that any American has not learned this.

Then again, I’m 65 yrs old. My father and five uncles served in WWII.
Truth can seem to be unbelievable - yet still be truth.

Good night to you.
 
All were worked until death became the final end.
Little food, inadequate clothes, disease, harsh weather -
I find it incomprehensible that any American has not learned this.

Then again, I’m 65 yrs old. My father and five uncles served in WWII.
Truth can seem to be unbelievable - yet still be truth.

Good night to you.
Yes, I believe that they died of little food, inadequate clothes, disease, harsh weather. I have learned this. I believe it. I think it is true. I said as much in my previous post.

I do not therefore believe that they died of gassing.

Good night to you.
 
Yes, I believe that they died of little food, inadequate clothes, disease, harsh weather. I have learned this. I believe it. I think it is true. I said as much in my previous post.

I do not therefore believe that they died of gassing.

Good night to you.
Other than than the countless many who were gassed as soon as they arrived in a camp.
Off the trains, to the gas, to the ovens.
Elderly people, pregnant women, sick folks, the retarded, little children.

Live and learn - or not.
 
Other than than the countless many who were gassed as soon as they arrived in a camp.
Off the trains, to the gas, to the ovens.
Elderly people, pregnant women, sick folks, the retarded, little children.

Live and learn - or not.
The execution of David Lawson by poisonous gas should prove to anyone that death by poisonous gas is probably the most inefficient method of executing someone. This method of execution was abandoned by the American people who learned that executing criminals is much better done by using lethal injection or electrocution. Many will say death by gunshot, decapitation or by hanging are more efficient than these methods.

Why would the efficient German people use the worst method of execution ever devised.

Not sure. I am happy to learn though. It’s just that nothing I have read yet has convinced me that Jews were gassed. At this stage I believe the story was war propoganda by the Soviets. But like I said. I am happy to learn.
 
The execution of David Lawson by poisonous gas should prove to anyone that death by poisonous gas is probably the most inefficient method of executing someone. This method of execution was abandoned by the American people who learned that executing criminals is much better done by using lethal injection or electrocution. Many will say death by gunshot, decapitation or by hanging are more efficient than these methods.

Why would the efficient German people use the worst method of execution ever devised.

Not sure. I am happy to learn though. It’s just that nothing I have read yet has convinced me that Jews were gassed. At this stage I believe the story was war propoganda by the Soviets. But like I said. I am happy to learn.
pbs.org/auschwitz/40-45/killing/

"… Massive Gas Chambers and Crematoria
By the early spring of 1943, four huge crematoria became fully operational at Auschwitz II (Birkenau). They housed eight gas chambers and forty-six ovens that could dispose of some 4,400 corpses per day. Trains would arrive at the camp and those most fit—approximately 10-30 percent of the arrivals—would be selected for a work detail. The remaining prisoners were sent to the gas chambers.

Prisoners assigned to a unit known as the Sonderkommando had to move the bodies from the gas chambers to the furnaces. Several bodies at a time were burned in a single oven. In May 1944 a serious bottle-neck occurred at Auschwitz, because the deportation and extermination of the Hungarian Jews was under way. …"

Zyklon B was cheaper than bullets.
The terror factor of unexpected death must have thrilled the Nazi mentality.

Read the link.

also included:

…Even with all of the death technology, the Germans could not cremate everyone they murdered during the Holocaust. As they retreated from the advancing Allied forces, they blew up the gas chambers and crematoria to destroy the evidence at Auschwitz. But the evidence lingered. In camps throughout Poland and Germany, tens of thousands of bodies remained stacked or spilling out into the cold winter snow."
 
Also,

rudyfoto.com/hol/gascham.html

Gas Chambers

" …Nazis used gas chambers to murder the majority of concentration and death camp prisoners, especially Jews. The most famous gas chambers were built at the largest death factory, Auschwitz II, Birkenau. All told, four of these killing factories were built at the massive camp. Up to 2,000 persons could be killed at once in one chamber.

Concentration camp expert Wolfgang Sofsky, whose book The Order of Terror provides one of the clearest accounts of how the system functioned, describes how the gas chambers figured prominently in that process: “A death factory is a work organization whose purpose is the annihilation of large numbers of human beings, without a trace. On a twenty-four-hour basis, victims were murdered, their corpses displosed of. Kommandos of prisoners collected the belongings of the dead and brought them to the sorting sites. The bodies were checked for gold teeth and thrown into mass graves or pits or burned in cremation ovens. Mass annihilation was organized on the basis of a division of labor. The process was integrated into a kind of assembly line, its stations coordinated in temporal sequence. Killing was mechanized by the installation of stationary gas chambers, into which hundreds of persons were lured and then poisoned by carbon monoxide or hydrocyanic acid fumes. The death factory was an apparatus that functioned smoothly, virtually trouble-free, working at a high capacity and speed. A death train arrived at the ramp in the morning; by the afternoon, the bodies had been burned, and the clothing brought to the storerooms. …”

See his home page for credentials.
 
Also

auschwitz.dk/auschwitz.htm

"… Auschwitz-Birkenau became the killing centre where the largest numbers of European Jews were killed during the Holocaust. After an experimental gassing there in September 1941 of 850 malnourished and ill prisoners, mass murder became a daily routine. By mid 1942, mass gassing of Jews using Zyklon-B began at Auschwitz, where extermination was conducted on an industrial scale with some estimates running as high as three million persons eventually killed through gassing, starvation, disease, shooting, and burning …

9 out of 10 were Jews. In addition, Gypsies, Soviet POWs, and prisoners of all nationalities died in the gas chambers. Between May 14 and July 8,1944, 437,402 Hungarian Jews were deported to Auschwitz in 148 trains. This was probably the largest single mass deportation during the Holocaust. …"
 
re St. Edith Stein,

vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/saints/ns_lit_doc_19981011_edith_stein_en.html

From the Vatican:

" … Teresa Benedict of the Cross Edith Stein (1891-1942)
nun, Discalced Carmelite, martyr

… On 9 November 1938 the anti-Semitism of the Nazis became apparent to the whole world.

Synagogues were burnt, and the Jewish people were subjected to terror. The prioress of the Carmelite Convent in Cologne did her utmost to take Sister Teresia Benedicta a Cruce abroad. On New Year’s Eve 1938 she was smuggled across the border into the Netherlands, to the Carmelite Convent in Echt in the Province of Limburg. This is where she wrote her will on 9 June 1939: “Even now I accept the death that God has prepared for me in complete submission and with joy as being his most holy will for me. I ask the Lord to accept my life and my death … so that the Lord will be accepted by His people and that His Kingdom may come in glory, for the salvation of Germany and the peace of the world.”

While in the Cologne convent, Edith Stein had been given permission to start her academic studies again. Among other things, she wrote about “The Life of a Jewish Family” (that is, her own family): “I simply want to report what I experienced as part of Jewish humanity,” she said, pointing out that “we who grew up in Judaism have a duty to bear witness … to the young generation who are brought up in racial hatred from early childhood.”

In Echt, Edith Stein hurriedly completed her study of “The Church’s Teacher of Mysticism and the Father of the Carmelites, John of the Cross, on the Occasion of the 400th Anniversary of His Birth, 1542-1942.” In 1941 she wrote to a friend, who was also a member of her order: “One can only gain a scientia crucis (knowledge of the cross) if one has thoroughly experienced the cross. I have been convinced of this from the first moment onwards and have said with all my heart: ‘Ave, Crux, Spes unica’ (I welcome you, Cross, our only hope).” Her study on St. John of the Cross is entitled: “Kreuzeswissenschaft” (The Science of the Cross).

Edith Stein was arrested by the Gestapo on 2 August 1942, while she was in the chapel with the other sisters. She was to report within five minutes, together with her sister Rosa, who had also converted and was serving at the Echt Convent. Her last words to be heard in Echt were addressed to Rosa: “Come, we are going for our people.”

Together with many other Jewish Christians, the two women were taken to a transit camp in Amersfoort and then to Westerbork. This was an act of retaliation against the letter of protest written by the Dutch Roman Catholic Bishops against the pogroms and deportations of Jews. Edith commented, “I never knew that people could be like this, neither did I know that my brothers and sisters would have to suffer like this. … I pray for them every hour. Will God hear my prayers? He will certainly hear them in their distress.” Prof. Jan Nota, who was greatly attached to her, wrote later: “She is a witness to God’s presence in a world where God is absent.”

On 7 August, early in the morning, 987 Jews were deported to Auschwitz. It was probably on 9 August that Sister Teresia Benedicta a Cruce, her sister and many other of her people were gassed.

When Edith Stein was beatified in Cologne on 1 May 1987, the Church honoured “a daughter of Israel”, as Pope John Paul II put it, who, as a Catholic during Nazi persecution, remained faithful to the crucified Lord Jesus Christ and, as a Jew, to her people in loving faithfulness.""
 
The execution of David Lawson by poisonous gas should prove to anyone that death by poisonous gas is probably the most inefficient method of executing someone. This method of execution was abandoned by the American people who learned that executing criminals is much better done by using lethal injection or electrocution. Many will say death by gunshot, decapitation or by hanging are more efficient than these methods.

Why would the efficient German people use the worst method of execution ever devised.

Not sure. **I am happy to learn though.**It’s just that nothing I have read yet has convinced me that Jews were gassed. At this stage I believe the story was war propoganda by the Soviets. But like I said. I am happy to learn.
Always a sign of hope.
 
As a World War II researcher, I suggest people quote sources before presenting anything as a fact.

First, recconnaissance photos of Auschwitz were taken by the American 15th Air Force before the end of the war:

nizkor.org/hweb/camps/auschwitz/aerials.html

Zyklon-B (Cyclone-B) was a cyanide based pesticide.

Peace,
Ed
 
Something I don’t get is why would the nazi’s kill the Jews with gas when the gas which was reported to have been used would have been highly dangerous to the soldiers who ran the camps? If they were slaughterers then why did they not just use a bullet which would have been cheaper and safer.
Also, why were the Jews all so emaciated. Why did the Germans keep them alive until they were skin and bones and then gas them when they were at the point of starvation?

It just does not make sense to me. If I ask an honest question then does this make me a holocaust denier? And if I am unhappy with the explanation I am given, am I still a holocaust denier?

We all know that in the world wars, half the battle was based on propoganda. Demonising your enemy was part of the mythology built up to incense hatred and inflame your fighting force and build support for the war.

How do we know that the Soviets did not fabricate these stories? How convenient that all the so-called gas chambers were destroyed by the Soviets.

Even in Auschwitz they did tests for the residue of cyanide. They found none in the homicide chambers and stacks of residue in the delousing chambers. The concentrations of the gas were far lower to delouse than to kill a man so you should expect the residue in the so-called homicide chamber to be far higher than in the delousing chamber.

This all has the whiff of propoganda to me. Pardon the pun.
Can you provide a source that mentions tests for cyanide residue?

Thanks,
Ed
 
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