Query: Does A High Anglican Mass Fulfill A Catholic Mass Obligation?

[centurionguard]

Since the 1980s the Holy See has granted some former Anglican and Episcopal clergy converting with their parishes the faculty of celebrating the sacramental rites according to Anglican forms, doctrinally corrected.

My question here is which Sacramental Rites did the Holy See approve?
My first assumption would be Baptism at the top of the list.
Perhaps Sacramental Matrimony and Sacrament of the Sick.

And then we have the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass which I understood as exclusively Catholic.

Could someone knowledgeable add some help here
Much appreciated.
Chris

 

[ConstantineTG]

The proper name of the Anglican Mass for use by Catholics is “Anglican Use”. Well, at least that is what it is called today, may change.

Since you are in Canada, I don’t think there are parishes that use the Anglican Use in Canada. So far only certain parishes in the US have received the permission to use them. We would have to wait for the Ordinariate to be established in Canada and the TAC and other individual Anglican parishes who have applied to join are brought in and become in communion with Rome.

So no, ang Anglican High Mass does not fulfill a Catholic obligation. But an Anglican Use Mass, which is 100% Catholic, does.

 

[braumeister]

Here is the text for the Anglican Use Order of Mass walsingham-church.org/mass.htm. As far as the other rites are concerned, I am not sure.

 

[centurionguard]

The proper name of the Anglican Mass for use by Catholics is “Anglican Use”. Well, at least that is what it is called today, may change.

Since you are in Canada, I don’t think there are parishes that use the Anglican Use in Canada. So far only certain parishes in the US have received the permission to use them. We would have to wait for the Ordinariate to be established in Canada and the TAC and other individual Anglican parishes who have applied to join are brought in and become in communion with Rome.

So no, ang Anglican High Mass does not fulfill a Catholic obligation. But an Anglican Use Mass, which is 100% Catholic, does.

Thank You for the info. Actually there is one Anglican church in my city that does celebrate “Anglican Use”. Real ecclesiastically approved wine which they obtain from our local Catholic Religious store and wafer hosts which they obtain from Trappist priests.

I just wasn’t sure if it was approved by the Holy See, though now I stand corrected.

Thanks Again
Have a Blessed Christmas Season

Peace
Chris

 

[ConstantineTG]

Thank You for the info. Actually there is one Anglican church in my city that does celebrate “Anglican Use”. Real ecclesiastically approved wine which they obtain from our local Catholic Religious store and wafer hosts which they obtain from Trappist priests.

I just wasn’t sure if it was approved by the Holy See, though now I stand corrected.

Thanks Again
Have a Blessed Christmas Season

Peace
Chris

Oh, last time I checked there were only like 9 parishes in the US that has been approved to use the Anglican Use Mass. I guess I haven’t been keeping up. I thought they will hold off expanding its use until the Ordinariates have been established. But its good if there is one in your area. There is a Traditional Anglican parish in Vancouver and I will go to Mass there once they come into full Communion.

 

[BernadetteM]

There are no Anglican Use Masses outsite of the US. Once Ordinariates are established, there should be some in Canada, as some Anglicans in Canada have petitioned for the Ordinariate.

Ordinariates should be established in England and Australia by Easter or Pentecost. We are still waiting to hear about the US and Canada.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

 

[Rolltide]

Thank You for the info. Actually there is one Anglican church in my city that does celebrate “Anglican Use”. Real ecclesiastically approved wine which they obtain from our local Catholic Religious store and wafer hosts which they obtain from Trappist priests.

I just wasn’t sure if it was approved by the Holy See, though now I stand corrected.

Thanks Again
Have a Blessed Christmas Season

Peace
Chris

As far as I know, the following list contains ALL of the Anglican Use parishes currently in existence, but if anyone knows of any others, feel free to add them. I should also add that there are currently NONE approved by the Catholic Church in Canada.

walsingham-church.org/site/Liturgy.html

Anglican Use Parishes and Communities:
Our Lady of the Atonement, San Antonio, TX
St. Mary the Virgin, Arlington, TX
St. Anselm of Canterbury, Corpus Christ, TX
St. Thomas More Society, Scranton, PA
St. Athanasius, Boston, MA
St. Paul’s Society, Phoenix, AZ
Our Lady of Hope, Kansas, City, MO
All Saints Sisters of the Poor, Catonsville, MD
Our Lady of Martyrs Anglican Use Society, Nashville, TN

 

[centurionguard]

As far as I know, the following list contains ALL of the Anglican Use parishes currently in existence, but if anyone knows of any others, feel free to add them. I should also add that there are currently NONE approved by the Catholic Church in Canada.

walsingham-church.org/site/Liturgy.html

Anglican Use Parishes and Communities:
Our Lady of the Atonement, San Antonio, TX
St. Mary the Virgin, Arlington, TX
St. Anselm of Canterbury, Corpus Christ, TX
St. Thomas More Society, Scranton, PA
St. Athanasius, Boston, MA
St. Paul’s Society, Phoenix, AZ
Our Lady of Hope, Kansas, City, MO
All Saints Sisters of the Poor, Catonsville, MD
Our Lady of Martyrs Anglican Use Society, Nashville, TN

Rolltide wrote;

I should also add that there are currently NONE approved by the Catholic Church in Canada.

Your correct… my sincere apologies there is NO official existing Anglican Ordinariate in Canada.

After some phone calls to an Anglican Rev. friend I see I was mistaken.
A Catholic can get easily confused by personally witnessing a High Anglican service.

 

[Fone_Bone_2001]

My question here is which Sacramental Rites did the Holy See approve? Perhaps Sacramental Matrimony and Sacrament of the Sick.

And then we have the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass which I understood as exclusively Catholic

All of the Sacraments. These parishes that your quote references converted to the Catholic faith. They just didn’t have to completely switch their liturgy. They are now a part of the Latin Church, and they are considered Roman-rite Catholics - it’s called “the Anglican Use” of the Roman rite.

But they’re now Catholics, not Protestants. These few parishes are the real anglo-Catholics.

My first assumption would be Baptism at the top of the list.

Even when they were Protestant, their baptism was valid. The Church presumes unless she has a good reason not to that all Protestant baptisms are valid, and this is certainly the case with the Church of England.

[Valid baptism requires the proper form (the verbal Trinitarian formula), matter (water), and intent (the intention to baptize). Also if it’s an adult he or she must have expressed repentance for sin and professed faith in Christ. Most Protestants meet those requirements. Exceptions include fringe groups like “Jesus only” Pentecostals.]

So obviously, a normal Anglican liturgy would not satisfy an obligation to attend Mass, since a regular (Protestant) Anglican service is not a valid Mass due to the fact that that community hasn’t had valid Holy Orders or apostolic succession since the reign of Edward VI (1547-1553).

Interestingly enough, I’m pretty sure that during the reign of Henry VIII but after the break from Rome (1530s/1540s) the Church of England did still have valid Sacraments.

If they hadn’t decided to become radically Protestant after Henry’s death, the Church of England would be the only real Church (i.e. valid apostolic succession and Sacraments) with origins in the Protestant Reformation.