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Today I went to my first Tridentine mass, and I have a few questions about how it’s supposed to work.
  1. In the missal, it doesn’t particularly say when the people are supposed to respond. Sometimes, when the missal indicated “server”, only the altar server responded, while other times everyone else responded.
  2. Maybe it was just that particular missal, but it also didn’t tell the people when to stand/sit/kneel. Does anyone know where I could find a good online to refer to? (On a side note, are we supposed to make the sign of the cross when sprinkled with holy water in the beginning?)
  3. After the priest said the “Agnus Dei”, he continued with the prayers after it, and while he was saying them, the choir/congegration sang “Agnus Dei” over him. Is this normal?
Thanks (but I’m sure I’ll have more questions 😛 )
 
Today I went to my first Tridentine mass, and I have a few questions about how it’s supposed to work.
  1. In the missal, it doesn’t particularly say when the people are supposed to respond. Sometimes, when the missal indicated “server”, only the altar server responded, while other times everyone else responded.
  2. Maybe it was just that particular missal, but it also didn’t tell the people when to stand/sit/kneel. Does anyone know where I could find a good online to refer to? (On a side note, are we supposed to make the sign of the cross when sprinkled with holy water in the beginning?)
  3. After the priest said the “Agnus Dei”, he continued with the prayers after it, and while he was saying them, the choir/congegration sang “Agnus Dei” over him. Is this normal?
Thanks (but I’m sure I’ll have more questions 😛 )
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  1. There are different levels of participation for the Dialogue Mass, including when it is sung. The church could have been following every one of several different models. I would recommend that you say little or nothing the first few times around, then make the shorter responses when you are ready, gradually increasing as you feel ready and in accordance with local custom.
  2. There are any number of available guidelines for sitting/standing and kneeling, inclduing inside the red Ecclesia Dei missalettes that may have been available at the Mass. These do not always agree 100%, but they are nearly uniform in agreement. (There never was an authoritative version, as the rubrics concerned the movements only of those in the sanctuary and in choir.) Simply do a Google search on “rubrics Tridentine Mass sit stand kneel.” And yes, you should make the sign of cross when sprinkled with holy water, just as you would in the new Mass or any other time you are sprinkled.
  3. Yes, the priest recites the Mass propers while the choir or schola sings them–not only in the Agnus Dei, but also the Kyrie, Gloria, Credo and Sanctus, as well as the antiphons.
 
The red booklet missals from here:

ecclesiadei.org/Booklet%20Missals.htm

would be great for you. They have when to sit/kneel/stand, what/when the choir sings, notes and drawings of the actions of the priest ie bowing, moving from one side to the other, etc. to aid in keeping your place. (If you get lost, use what the priest is doing to figure out where you are). Also includes various traditional prayers associated with the Mass. Coming from a NO background, these missals were a life-saver for me. The only downside is that it lacks the propers. For Sundays, they can be printed from various websites like

angelqueen.org/missal

and stuck in the missal before you go.

As far as responding, or not, with the servers, it depends. You’ll just have to get used to what the parish you go to does. I think pretty much everyone replies with the ‘et cum spiritu tuo’ Mine is pretty quiet aside from that.

Yes, the schola and the priest don’t always stay together. One week I follow the priest, the next the schola.

Did I mention that I think you should get the Ecclesia Deia Missal? Yes? Well, doesn’t hurt to hear it again. 👍 😃
 
Thanks. I have a few more questions 😛
  1. When the priest or server genuflect, why do they turn slightly to the left?
  2. After the readings, when we sat for the sermon, the priest re-read the readings in English. It said in the missal that this was customary, but we also replied the same way to the epistle as we do in the NO (“Thanks be to God”), and stood up during the Gospel, did the normal crossing of the forehead, mouth, and heart again, and said the normal response (in English). Is this normal?
Thanks
 
stignatius said:
Thanks. I have a few more questions 😛
  1. When the priest or server genuflect, why do they turn slightly to the left?
  2. After the readings, when we sat for the sermon, the priest re-read the readings in English. It said in the missal that this was customary, but we also replied the same way to the epistle as we do in the NO (“Thanks be to God”), and stood up during the Gospel, did the normal crossing of the forehead, mouth, and heart again, and said the normal response (in English). Is this normal?
Thanks
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4- This may just be the way the priest and or servers were trained, maybe there is not much room to work with in the sanctuary (JMO)

5-The replies in english sound like a local custom, but standing and crossing during the gospel I have found to be the norm everywhere
 
stignatius said:
Today I went to my first Tridentine mass, and I have a few questions about how it’s supposed to work.
  1. In the missal, it doesn’t particularly say when the people are supposed to respond. Sometimes, when the missal indicated “server”, only the altar server responded, while other times everyone else responded.
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Unless this is a dialogue mass (which seems pretty rare), the servers are the only ones that need to respond. However, the people at some churches will respond with some of the shorter and easier responses, but this is not required. Why not just listen for now, and as you become more familiar with it, you can respond also if you choose.
stignatius said:
  1. Maybe it was just that particular missal, but it also didn’t tell the people when to stand/sit/kneel. Does anyone know where I could find a good online to refer to? (On a side note, are we supposed to make the sign of the cross when sprinkled with holy water in the beginning?)
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The stand/kneel/sit rules vary slightly among churches. I would just sit where you can see what others are doing and follow them. You’ll learn the customary positions after a while.
stignatius said:
  1. After the priest said the “Agnus Dei”, he continued with the prayers after it, and while he was saying them, the choir/congegration sang “Agnus Dei” over him. Is this normal?
Thanks (but I’m sure I’ll have more questions 😛 )
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Because it takes longer to sing something than to say it, the choir and priest can’t be on the exact same part at all times. Therefore, you’ll see a number of places where they are actually saying different parts of the mass at different times. It’s just a solution to a practical issue.

Welcome to the Traditional Mass!
 
Thanks everybody. I cant wait until the first sunday of February 😛
 
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