Question about baptism eligibility

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It wasn’t her answer that bothered me at all, it was her lack of interest in answering my questions (basic ones such as when is RCIA? Who can help us find a class that we can attend?) and not suggesting, as was helpfully suggested here, to talk with the priest to find out more about our situation.
Dear Kaylisette,

I’m so sorry you were treated in such a dismal way. I’ve done the receptionist’s job at my parish.

Whenever I had someone asking about RCIA, our normal procedure was to answer basic questions—meeting nights, what to expect in a nutshell, etc. We ask them to gather baptism certificates for everyone. In some cases, marriage certificates, divorce decrees, any pertinent papers,etc. Then, we arrange a meeting with Father.

During the last Easter Vigil, we had a mother, daughter, and son come home. I’ll never forget watching mom’s face light up, tears filling her eyes, as she watched her children being baptized. I have to admit, I and others were teary-eyed as well. Maybe, offer this to your daughter—it will be such a special moment for your family, as you all come into the Catholic church.

Welcome home!!! 🙂
 
Thank you and everyone again for your encouraging words.

Especially, thank you for pointing out that people with a wide variety of commitment go to RCIA. We, for better or worse, didn’t even consider attending Mass before we were fairly committed to “crossing the Tiber”. To even consider RCIA, therefore, meant we were sure. Not that we don’t have a lot to learn (oh, do we have a lot to learn!), but we did not start going to Mass without first being familiar with the Catechism, doing a Catholic Bible study, and discussing with practicing Catholic friends about this.

Anyway, when we finally do track down an RCIA class we can attend, we’ll better understand that some might only be there for someone else’s sake or aren’t quite sure yet. I knew there was no pressure to complete RCIA classes, but I hadn’t realized people might start in being very unsure of staying in. Thank you!
One more note!

Try to find an RCIA class you can attend, but if you can’t, please DON’T let it become an impediment to your conversion. I came into the church without RCIA due to an interesting situation with my parents (mom had custody and NO WAY was she going to take me to RCIA to let me become one of those “catholics”). My priest gave me the books (I was a young teen by this point) and I studied the faith on my own. At the end of that time, the priest got dispensation to interview me and, if I was ready, to put me forward with the other candidates. Obviously, I passed muster since I’m talking to you as a catholic who was neither RCIA’d or cradled in. While RCIA is a great thing to go through, and you should if you have the ability to at all, it is also not a hurdle to stop you from coming to the church.

I agree that you need to talk to your priest! The priest’s job is to, acting with authorization of the bishop, serve as your shepherd in guiding you in the life of faith. Right now, that guiding is geared towards your catechesis and coming into the church. The priest will be more than happy to help you.

I pray that God gives you strength and tenacity. He always makes the best of our struggles, and I have full faith that you will look back on this path you have walked to get to the banks of the Tiber as a highly important time for you in your conversion. Have faith that God will lead you to the church in exactly the way that He intends and is best for you (but meet with your priest, because that might be what God is pushing you to as well!)
 
Well, that is an interesting way to put it! I think that is one of the (many) things that has helped us on the journey so far. There’s no superstition about baptizing the children and my understanding (correct me if I’m wrong) is that my very young children would not be held accountable at this point in time for their lack of baptism. Neither of us were baptized or raised Catholic (we were both baptized, and as far as I know those baptisms would be valid in the eyes of the Church), and we had no understanding of the responsibility to baptize until we were led to the Catholic church (since we were in an Evangelical church for several years, where they teach it is wrong to baptize infants.)
You’ll find that Catholics do not find the matter of baptising children superstitious at all. It comes down to a question of whether baptism has any real necessary role in salvation or not. The Church holds that it absolutely does. This point is worth explaining, because there is a lot of misinformation out there about it.

Human beings do not come into the world innocent. We come into the world in original sin, wanting to decide good and bad for ourselves. Even from direct observation, no one can argue that we are born God-centered and only learn to be self-centered as we approach the age of reason. Nope…we think we’re the authorities on good and bad from Day 1, no doubt about it. Original sin is not a bookkeeping concept made up by theologians, then. It is real.

The question has been what happens to infants who die without baptism, since it is not their fault that they have not been received into the Body of Christ. None of us baptised as infants did anything to deserve it, and certainly baptism isn’t some kind of magic spell. Unlike adults who die without the benefit of baptism, infants have not even had the chance to make a choice to sin from the use of their reason.

You may be aware of a speculative idea that those in this state might be in what is called limbo, which was neither hell (where those guilty of unrepented personal sin and rejecting of God are punished) nor heaven (where the blessed, having been freed from the state of sin by having accepted the saving redemption of Jesus Christ, see and enjoy the company of God) but rather a place of natural happiness. This idea was widely held as a solution for what happens to those who die without the benefit of baptism, but was not an official teaching of the Church.

The truth is that this is one of those questions, like whether or not it is possible to repent of the mortal sin of suicide, that don’t have an answer that we can know. We know that there is nothing standing between Heaven and a child who is both baptised and too young to have committed personal sin. We don’t know how God’s mercy and justice apply to those who are in these other special circumstances. We can hope with good reason that when God takes care of their situation in all mercy and justice, they will be taken into Heaven. We can’t presume to know things about the mercy of God that haven’t been directly revealed. We cannot assume that it is impossible for them to suffer for our negligence. We certainly know that they can be denied the normal opportunity for salvation by our negligence.

On this account, the children of Catholic parents are to be baptised as soon after birth as possible, because the grace and necessity of baptism are real. So while the Church teaches that no one who dies is to be thought beyond the mercy of God, not even the worst sinner who publicly and vehemently rejected Christ and persecuted his faithful ones, and that none of us may judge anyone based on our limited knowledge, the Church also teaches that none of us may presume on the mercy of God as a reason to shirk our duties. Baptism does matter, baptism does have an effect on the faithful, even infants, and it is an extremely important duty for Catholic parents to baptise their children as soon as possible and to raise them diligently in the faith.
 
We know that there is nothing standing between Heaven and a child who is both baptised and too young to have committed personal sin.
Actually, we do not know that children who die without the physical brain maturity to ever make their own choice in favor of God during their lifetimes do not have the opportunity to choose one way or the other at the moment of death. Just as a suicide might have an opportunity to repent at the moment of death that we are not aware of, a person who dies without ever having had an opportunity to make a personal choice prior to that may also have an opportunity for such a choice. We don’t know, because that has not been revealed. We only know about the consequences of our choices in this life, not whether or not there are opportunities that we don’t see between apparent and actual death to make choices of eternal consequence.
 
You’ll find that Catholics do not find the matter of baptising children superstitious at all. It comes down to a question of whether baptism has any real necessary role in salvation or not. The Church holds that it absolutely does. This point is worth explaining, because there is a lot of misinformation out there about it. …
Thank you very, very much for that explanation.

Yes, I have found a lack of superstition, which is has been good. And I think part of the conversation with our priest will touch on whether or not we are acting out of superstition. Also, are we seeing this as an essential part of salvation or are we just here for the white dress and party after? Are we denying the essential nature of baptism or have we come to a different understanding? Do we believe the truth of baptism’s necessity?

We came to the decision to inquire about baptism because we now believe in the necessary role of baptism of salvation. That, I think is a gift from God, having spent years in a place where the essential role is denied vehemently.

I realize that no one is obligated to believe us (and I can understand the skepticism), but we do intend to follow through within the year and be practicing Catholics. I do not say that lightly, nor do I think it will be easy.

Until then we hope, but cannot be certain, of God’s mercy on our children should baptism be delayed. Honestly, I don’t see it as unfair to us. Perhaps it is unfair or at least unfortunate for our children, due to our ignorance/negligence that there is a delay. (One of us was so indoctrinated against the Church, I’m not sure if God would see it as being completely negligent. But I wouldn’t presume to judge.)

But when they are baptized, I should hope we will be extremely thankful for that Sacrament and take very seriously the commitment to raise our children in the Catholic Church.

I’m glad this has come up because it really does make us pursue this and hope in God’s mercy. RCIA isn’t going to come to me – I need to seriously pursue finding a class. (Am I going to be put off by a busy secretary or will I try to find someone with more information?) Baptism for my children isn’t going to happen just because I want it, either. We aren’t looking to reverse the secretary’s message and whatever our priest decides after talking with us, we are prepared to accept it.

It has been very helpful to discuss it and I thank you for bearing with a newcomer to the forum.
 
It has been very helpful to discuss it and I thank you for bearing with a newcomer to the forum.
If not for you, I don’t know the point of the forum like this. Just take what we say with a grain of salt, OK? There are no credentials required for replying to any forum, excepting of course “Ask an Apologist.” We try our best, but the rest of us just have a good hope that we know what we’re talking about! 😉
 
One more note!

Try to find an RCIA class you can attend, but if you can’t, please DON’T let it become an impediment to your conversion. I came into the church without RCIA due to an interesting situation with my parents (mom had custody and NO WAY was she going to take me to RCIA to let me become one of those “catholics”). My priest gave me the books (I was a young teen by this point) and I studied the faith on my own. At the end of that time, the priest got dispensation to interview me and, if I was ready, to put me forward with the other candidates. Obviously, I passed muster since I’m talking to you as a catholic who was neither RCIA’d or cradled in. While RCIA is a great thing to go through, and you should if you have the ability to at all, it is also not a hurdle to stop you from coming to the church.

I agree that you need to talk to your priest! The priest’s job is to, acting with authorization of the bishop, serve as your shepherd in guiding you in the life of faith. Right now, that guiding is geared towards your catechesis and coming into the church. The priest will be more than happy to help you.

I pray that God gives you strength and tenacity. He always makes the best of our struggles, and I have full faith that you will look back on this path you have walked to get to the banks of the Tiber as a highly important time for you in your conversion. Have faith that God will lead you to the church in exactly the way that He intends and is best for you (but meet with your priest, because that might be what God is pushing you to as well!)
Thank you so much for your kind words and prayer. I know it is a cliche to say this, but there is no strength without struggle. And the struggle to find RCIA classes may be leading us to talk directly with our priest. He may have a solution if we are not able to attend classes (although we both want to) or be able to help us find one we can get to.

The pastor in the parish we attend has already made an impression on our journey and encouraged us so much in our brief interactions. It really does seem that this is pushing us to talk with him more personally. 🙂

I am very glad to hear of your story. God gave you great strength in your situation and it is so encouraging to hear about that. Thank you.
 
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