Question about being considered for Sainthood

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Miracles are needed on behalf of a particular saint’s intercession before they are made into a saint, correct?

So how do you know who to attribute a miracle to? I understand that in a recent case there was a person who was very sick and the family prayed for the intercession of a person, and the ill person was healed. So that deceased person got their miracle and was made a saint.

Is there a list somewhere of those being considered for sainthood? And how do people know who to give credit to?
 
FrenzyJen said:
Miracles are needed on behalf of a particular saint’s intercession before they are made into a saint, correct?

So how do you know who to attribute a miracle to? I understand that in a recent case there was a person who was very sick and the family prayed for the intercession of a person, and the ill person was healed. So that deceased person got their miracle and was made a saint.

Is there a list somewhere of those being considered for sainthood? And how do people know who to give credit to?
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First of all, only God makes saints. The Church can officially declare someone a saint and “raise them to the alter” but there are a lot of saints (meaning those who have the Beatific Vision) never get “raised to the alter”

Second, yes, the Church’s present way of raising someone to the alter is that 2 miracles have to be attributed to a person (but this can be waived as has been done by Pope Francis a couple of times already, one being JohnXXIII.) The first miracle, when approved by the Pope, makes them a “Blessed” and second miracle (which has to happen AFTER the declaration of “Blessed” makes them a “Saint”

The process of official canonization is very long and laborous one. I have been aware on the periphery of Venerable Fulton Sheen and extensive (and expensive) time consuming process it is. A great deal of research, interviewing, documentation, etc etc goes into it.

So, in an official way, just because a person is healed thru the intercession of a deceased person doesnt not make that person officially “raised to the alter” in the eyes of the Church. That does NOT mean they are not a saint in the sense that they are in the presence of God (Beatific Vision), but just not in the official sense.

Hope that makes sense.

(To give you a specific case. Right now, Bishop Fulton Sheen has the official status of “Venerable” meaning he lived a heroically virtuous life. A miracle has been submitted to the Congregation of the Cause for Canonization for investigation. When (and if) it get to the Pope and is approved, he will be declare “Blessed” and be beatified. THEN a second miracle must take place, the process of submission happen AGAIN, the Pope approve AGAIN and then he would be declared a “Saint” and be raised to the alter)

It’s a very long and drawn out process.

ewtn.com/johnpaul2/cause/process.asp
 
One person I can think of is Jacinta Marto. What a lovely girl. She died at age 10 but was a spiritual giant. Her body is incorrupt. She died in 1920 so it is almost 100 years and she has only reached the status of Blessed.
 
FrenzyJen said:
Miracles are needed on behalf of a particular saint’s intercession before they are made into a saint, correct?

So how do you know who to attribute a miracle to? I understand that in a recent case there was a person who was very sick and the family prayed for the intercession of a person, and the ill person was healed. So that deceased person got their miracle and was made a saint.

Is there a list somewhere of those being considered for sainthood? And how do people know who to give credit to?
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the first step in Saint hood is an examination of the person’s life. this is before any miracles etc. If the person displays what is called heroric vitue then they can be called servant of God.
 
FrenzyJen asks** : “So how do you know who to attribute a miracle to? I understand that in a recent case there was a person who was very sick, and the family prayed for the intercession of a person, and the ill person was healed. So that deceased person got their miracle and was made a saint.”**

Yeah, that’s about it.

ANY person can get credit for a Healing.
And, Yes, a person (normally) needs to have Credit for a couple of Miracles before he/she will be Canonized.
Of course, that Miracle requirement was waived for Blessed John Paul II (after all, a Pope makes the Rules, and rules over the exceptions).

Many people will pray in the name of a now-Deceased Priest or Bishop for intercession.
When a person is Healed (and contacts the Church about it), they record the name of the intercessee.
If decades later, someone begins the process to have a person Canonized, they will contact each of the Healed people, as part of their investigation.
 
4love2God said:
Of course, that Miracle requirement was waived for Blessed John Paul II (after all, a Pope makes the Rules, and rules over the exceptions).
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Just a correction. 2 miracles have been attributed to JPII. It is JohnXXIII that the requirement was waived…

What WAS waived for JPII is the 5 year waiting period before the cause could be opened…
 
Father Kapaun is on his way to becoming a saint; I have read of some awesome miracles that have been directly attributed to his intercession. God bless Father Kapaun.
abcnews.go.com/2020/miracle-faith-chase-kear-recovers-fatal-accident-prayers/story?id=10239513&singlePage=true
kansas.com/kapaun/
frkapaun.org/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Kapaun
Possible 2008 miracle[edit]
On June 29, 2008, the Opening Ceremony which officially opens the Cause for Sainthood for Kapaun was made on Father Kapaun Day held at St. John Nepomucene Catholic Church in Pilsen, Kansas.[35]
On June 26, 2009, Dr. Andrea Ambrosi, the Roman Postulator for Kapaun’s cause for canonization arrived in Wichita in order to interview doctors in relation to alleged miraculous events.
Among these is the claim of 20-year-old Chase Kear who survived a severe head injury last year in part, he and his family claim, because they petitioned Fr. Emil Kapaun to intercede for them.[12][36] Kear, a member of the Hutchinson Community College track team, fell on his head during pole vaulting practice in October 2008, but, it is said, was miraculously healed despite being near death.[36] The Rev. John Hotze, the judicial vicar for the Diocese of Wichita, and trained in Canon Law, will assist in investigating Kear’s case.[5]
Fr. Hotze has spent eight years investigating the proposed sainthood of Kapaun. The Catholic Church has considered canonizing Kapaun ever since soldiers were liberated from Korean prisoner-of-war camps in 1953 and told of Kapaun’s heroism and faith.[37] The Wichita diocese has continue to receive reports of miracles involving Fr. Kapaun. He is being considered for possible designation as a martyr.[36]
Possible 2011 miracle[edit]
On May 7, 2011, Nick Dellasega collapsed at a Get Busy Living 5K race in Pittsburg, KS (honoring the memory of Dylan Meier). Due to a series of coincidences, Dellasega survived, even though he had seemingly died on the scene. His childhood friend, EMT Micah Ehling, is quoted by The Wichita Eagle as saying “I know what a face looks like when the soul leaves the body. And that’s what Nick looked like”.[38] Some bystanders attribute Dellasega’s survival to the devotion of his cousin, Jonah Dellasega, who fell to his knees at the scene and prayed to Kapaun. In a strange coincidence not reported by The Eagle, Dylan Meier, in whose memory the 5K was being held, was slated to teach English in Korea at the time of his death.[39]
Skeptics[who?] point out that Kapaun’s spirit could not possibly have orchestrated the bizarre coincidences that saved Nick’s life because some of them were set in motion long before Nick collapsed (including a visit by Nick’s uncle, Mark, a medical doctor from Greenville, N.C.). Divine Providence, however, can be said to have set in motion all the events before they happened, including the visit by the uncle, Mark, and the prayers to Fr Kapaun. And so it’s easy for believers to insist Kapaun intervened to save Dellasega’s life. The Eagle reported, “The coincidences are strange enough and the prayer notable enough that a Catholic church investigator has reported Nick’s story to the Vatican, which happens to have a representative in Wichita again, sizing up Father Emil Kapaun for sainthood.”[38]
 
Marie5890 said** : “Just a correction. 2 miracles have been attributed to JPII.”**

Really, was the 2nd Miracle confirmed recently?
I ask, because I seem to remember, when his Sainthood was decided, that there was only one Miracle.
 
4love2God said:
Marie5890 said** : “Just a correction. 2 miracles have been attributed to JPII.”**

Really, was the 2nd Miracle confirmed recently?
I ask, because I seem to remember, when his Sainthood was decided, that there was only one Miracle.
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I have heard on EWTN radio that the second miracle has been confirmed.

The OP is asking, if I am correct, for a list of Venerables.
 
4love2God said:
Marie5890 said** : “Just a correction. 2 miracles have been attributed to JPII.”**

Really, was the 2nd Miracle confirmed recently?
I ask, because I seem to remember, when his Sainthood was decided, that there was only one Miracle.
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Yes it was. A woman from Costa Rica experienced a stunning recovery from a brain aneurysm. Back in July of last year

link

ncregister.com/daily-news/moras-miracle-the-costa-rican-woman-who-was-healed-through-john-paul-iis-in/

It was JohnXXIII that had the second miracle waived. Their canonizations announcement was made at the same time, that is probably way you think it was JPII

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1304099.htm
 
robwar said:
the first step in Saint hood is an examination of the person’s life. this is before any miracles etc. If the person displays what is called heroric vitue then they can be called servant of God.
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Just a small correction here.

When a Cause is opened, they are declared “Servant of God” (Most causes have to wait 5 years after the death of the person. Blessed Teresa of Calcutta and JPII have been exceptions, which is the Pontiff’s right if he so chooses)

When their life has been examined and declared that they lived heroic virtue, then they are “venerable”

First miracle that is approved and accepted=“Blessed” and they are beatified
Second miracle that is approved and accepeted =“Saint” and they are canonized

(Since the Pope is above canon law, he can forgo any of this if he so chooses)
 
Marie5890 spells it out REAL Good** : When a Cause is opened, they are declared “Servant of God” (Most causes have to wait 5 years after the death of the person. Blessed Teresa of Calcutta and JPII have been exceptions, which is the Pontiff’s right if he so chooses)

When their life has been examined and declared that they lived heroic virtue, then they are “Venerable”
First miracle that is approved and accepted=“Blessed” and they are beatified
Second miracle that is approved and accepted =“Saint” and they are canonized
(Since the Pope is above canon law, he can forgo any of this if he so chooses) **

A wonderful Summary of all the different classifications of the Holiness of a now-Dead person (and the process to determine it).
Servant of God . . . Venerable . . . Blessed . . . Sainthood
 
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