Question about breaking Lenten vow

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My wife who is a recent convert heard the other day from some lifelong ladies at church the it was okay to break your Lenten vows on Sunday? Has anyone ever heard of such a thing? I have been of the RC all my life and cannot remember such a thing ever being taught. If you gave something up for Lent, you stuck with it the whole way through.
 
This is a recurring question on multiple threads. I grew up believing the same thing. No “breaks” no exceptions. Then a couple of years ago a family member told me that Sundays were an exception. Essentially, Sunday is like a mini-easter and fasting or abstaining is inappropriate as it is a celebration. It came out of the 40 day thing. another misconception about Lent. If you count Sundays and the period between Holy Thursday and Easter Sunday, The Tridium, there are ususally between 44 and 46 days. So, I got busy and started doing some research. Turns out that fasting, abstaining, or giving something up is not required during lent exept on the Holy Days of obligation. Ash Wednesday and Good Friday. The decision to abstain or fast at all during Lent is strictly the choice of the adherent. So, whether you decide that Sundays are included or not is strictly up to you. I know this flies in the face of the firm belief many have, but it’s the true cannon of the Catholic Church. Before you decide to whack me about this please know that I fast and abstain for Lent. I haven’t decided what to do about Sundays just yet.
 
O, BTW, the 40 day thing is also a kind of creeping belief. I couldn’t find anywhere, except personal opinion that stated that Lent was supposed to be 40 Days. Sundays are definitely included in Lent. Again, the decision to abstain or fast during all of lent is a personal choice. Sundays included. Although, the 40 days is a convenient way to explain why we Catholics and many protestants observe Lent to non-believers. Moses wandered for forty years and I think Jesus spent 40 days in the desert. I could be wrong about this and if anyone wants to offer anything besides personal opinion or what their abuelita told them I’m open.
 
What do you mean by “Lenten vow”?

The actual present rules of the Church for Lenten fasting (only 2 days) and abstinence (only on Fridays) are surprisingly light, though many people are stricter.

Are you referring to the so-called Lenten sacrifice–what an individual gives up?

God doesn’t need our fasting, abstinence, or other sacrifices. They are for US, for our own spiritual betterment.

It’s to train our wills so that we can say, “NO!” to sin more easily.
 
There is no canon law relating to “Lenten vows” so you are free to make them however you wish. But as a vow is a promise to God and binding, I would keep it with whatever particulars I promised. If you vow to refrain from something for the Lenten period, then I would refrain from the time I made the vow until the Triduum. If you vowed to refrain for 6 days per week, then do that. etc.

I don’t believe, however, that most people make Lenten vows. Like me, I would guess most make it their intention and keep to it as best they can.
 
Sundays are “feasts” so they can be excluded from whatever lenten penance a person has chosen.
 
O, BTW, the 40 day thing is also a kind of creeping belief. I couldn’t find anywhere, except personal opinion that stated that Lent was supposed to be 40 Days. Sundays are definitely included in Lent. Again, the decision to abstain or fast during all of lent is a personal choice. Sundays included. Although, the 40 days is a convenient way to explain why we Catholics and many protestants observe Lent to non-believers. Moses wandered for forty years and I think Jesus spent 40 days in the desert. I could be wrong about this and if anyone wants to offer anything besides personal opinion or what their abuelita told them I’m open.
40 was not ment to be bigger than 39 and smaller than 41, it means a period of complete discernment. Thus 40 years, and 40 days in the desert, Also 40 days in the flood, etc. It means a complete evaluation.
 
You can make whatever personal fast you want, there is no obligation in canon law to have any particular fast during Lent, except the obvious ones for Ash Wednesday and the Fridays.

But it is considered inappropriate in the tradition of the Church to fast on Sundays. Every Sunday is a Little Easter, even Sundays in Lent!
 
I think that there are various traditions concerning this, and it may have depended on the region you live in, or your ethnic background or something, because when I was growing up in the 50’s and 60’s, we always excluded Sundays in our Lenten fasts, and in my Catholic school we were taught that one did not have to fast on Sundays. That was the one day we could have a dessert, or candy, etc., although we were not to go overboard on it.

Of course, since we fasted from midnight on before taking Communion, that meant that you couldn’t wake up on Sunday morning and have a piece of cake for breakfast before Mass! And of course, there was no dessert or candy until you had eaten a decent dinner, around noon, so Sunday was half over before you got your sweeties. We were very deprived in those days.😉
 
There is no canon law relating to “Lenten vows” so you are free to make them however you wish. But as a vow is a promise to God and binding, I would keep it with whatever particulars I promised. If you vow to refrain from something for the Lenten period, then I would refrain from the time I made the vow until the Triduum. If you vowed to refrain for 6 days per week, then do that. etc.

I don’t believe, however, that most people make Lenten vows. Like me, I would guess most make it their intention and keep to it as best they can.
A vow is a very serious matter and should not be made without the advice of a priest. Our Lenten penances should be promises, not vows.
 
My wife who is a recent convert heard the other day from some lifelong ladies at church the it was okay to break your Lenten vows on Sunday? Has anyone ever heard of such a thing? I have been of the RC all my life and cannot remember such a thing ever being taught. If you gave something up for Lent, you stuck with it the whole way through.
I remember in grade school, everyone used to give up soda or candy. And we would all wait for Sunday to eat all of our treats. Our teacher said it was ok to do that.

So, I’m guessing Sundays don’t count.

-Jeanne
 
Onne could argue that the Triduum is not part of Lent, but rahter the celebration of the Last Supper, the Crucifixion, and the Resurrection (depending on what you consider to be a “day” - the Easter Service begins after sundown on Saturday). However, if you count starting on Ash Wednesday, 40 days includes the Triduum, but not the Sundays.

So if there are 40 days in Lent, then Sundays are not included. That does not mean that one could not fast on Sunday, but I suspect there would be little in the way of Church approval.
 
Fascinating; could anyone point out a source for the Church teaching that it’s permissible on Sundays to suspend one’s Lenten fast? It would sure help clear up the matter.

I was raised to fast from something enjoyable during Lent, Sundays included, but I can see where it could be fine to suspend that on Sundays.
 
I think that there are various traditions concerning this, and it may have depended on the region you live in, or your ethnic background or something, because when I was growing up in the 50’s and 60’s, we always excluded Sundays in our Lenten fasts, and in my Catholic school we were taught that one did not have to fast on Sundays. That was the one day we could have a dessert, or candy, etc., although we were not to go overboard on it.

Of course, since we fasted from midnight on before taking Communion, that meant that you couldn’t wake up on Sunday morning and have a piece of cake for breakfast before Mass! And of course, there was no dessert or candy until you had eaten a decent dinner, around noon, so Sunday was half over before you got your sweeties. We were very deprived in those days.😉
But the eucharistic fast was changed from midnight to three hours in 1953, so growing up in the fifties and sixties would not have involved a fast required from midnight.
 
Fascinating; could anyone point out a source for the Church teaching that it’s permissible on Sundays to suspend one’s Lenten fast? It would sure help clear up the matter.

I was raised to fast from something enjoyable during Lent, Sundays included, but I can see where it could be fine to suspend that on Sundays.
Or perhaps the reverse: can anyone point out a source for a Church teaching that the one is required to fast on Sundays during Lent… Since “breaking a fast on Sunday in Lent” implies there is a requirement. The reverse of my question requires the proof of a negative.

I don’t think anyone is arguing that you were taught that; I think the argument is that you were taught something that was not a requirement - or at least, a requirement of the Church.
 
I don’t like the whole “give up something for Lent, but allow yourself to give in on Sundays” because, when Easter Sunday comes around, when you get to eat those hamburgers you gave up for Lent, it tastes 100x better waiting for 46 days than giving in on Sundays and having one then. It’s fun to see how you can handle yourself and how long you can go without giving into what you gave up.
 
I don’t like the whole “give up something for Lent, but allow yourself to give in on Sundays” because, when Easter Sunday comes around, when you get to eat those hamburgers you gave up for Lent, it tastes 100x better waiting for 46 days than giving in on Sundays and having one then. It’s fun to see how you can handle yourself and how long you can go without giving into what you gave up.
If it weren’t for Sundays, I wouldn’t make it. That and St. Patty’s day. Because I am a weakling. 🙂 I need a break on the horizon.
 
40 was not ment to be bigger than 39 and smaller than 41, it means a period of complete discernment. Thus 40 years, and 40 days in the desert, Also 40 days in the flood, etc. It means a complete evaluation.
I’m just trying to understand your post. Are you saying that the 40 days is not meant to be taken literally, but rather refers to period during which can make a full evaluation? Am I understanding you correctly? Assuming I am can you please tell where you get this from. I don’t meant to be rude or argumentative, but I would rather not just take your word for it and I like the assertion so I would like to know the authority so that I can state it as such later.
 
Or perhaps the reverse: can anyone point out a source for a Church teaching that the one is required to fast on Sundays during Lent… Since “breaking a fast on Sunday in Lent” implies there is a requirement. The reverse of my question requires the proof of a negative.

I don’t think anyone is arguing that you were taught that; I think the argument is that you were taught something that was not a requirement - or at least, a requirement of the Church.
Again, as I understand it the Church does not require that we fast or give up anything during the period of Lent. So, there is no document that would address whether or not we should suspend our “fast” on the Sundays of Lent. We are only required to abstain or fast on Holy Days of Obligation. Ash Wednesday and Good Friday are Holy Days of Obligation which occur during Lent. The decision to fast or abstain at all or for any particular period of time is the purogative of the adherent. This practice of giving something up or whether to do it on Sundays or not is purely a matter of tradition and personal choice. Personally, I think it’s a good idea and really makes Lent more meaningful. We have taught it to our ten year old as a method for transmitting the Faith to her in a meaningful way. She’s standing right here and I just asked her why she’s giving up chips, of all kinds, for Lent. She said that it’s because Jesus gave his life for us. I’d say it’s working.

Also, Sundays are definitely a part of Lent. Lent does not include the Tridium. Lent ends on Holy or as I prefer Maundy Thursday. And, another bit of trivia, Easter Sunday is the begining of Easter. It runs al the way to Pentacost. I had a great debate with my HOA on this issue a few years ago. Great fun.
 
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