Question about Catholic Communion

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Just to provide another perspective, as it seems that most are talking about communion as it is viewed and handled in the Latin church only:

When I first visited the local Byzantine Catholic (Ruthenian) a few years ago, I called ahead of time to talk to the priest and ask him if there is anything I absolutely should not do, being a Latin and ignorant of Eastern praxis outside of what I had read and seen in videos (experience being something different than book learnin’, I just wanted to be safe). He told me that I was not to say “Amen” upon receiving the Holy Eucharist, and he also told me the proper way to receive from the spoon, as the Ruthenians practice intiction. He also requested that I arrive early, before the start of the liturgy proper, to present myself before the icon of Christ in confession. I followed his advice. When I actually got there and the liturgy began, it didn’t at all feel strange. Quite the opposite…the responses were in Old Church Slavonic, quite similar to Russian so I had no trouble following along (after the liturgy, people asked me if I was Ukrainian…I didn’t say it, but I thought to myself “wow, my Russian must be really bad…” :p)

After the liturgy, the priest graciously sat and talked with me for a while and explained that he hadn’t assumed me to be unworthy of receiving, but wanted to impress upon me the way that communion is handled in the Ruthenian Church, and as he would not have communed any one of his regular communicants if they had not presented themselves for confession in some time, it was right that I be treated the same as any other. That had been the whole point of my phone call, after all (how to not stick out like a sore Roman thumb). It also gave me the chance to experience Eastern confession, which is quite a moving experience. I even described it afterward to my regular confessor (a Dominican), who was quite awed even by my surely inadequate description.

Anyway, the point is every church has its own norms. I suspect it would be much more difficult to fake your way into the communion line in a Byzantine Church like the one I visited, since the Eucharist is given to you by name (if I remember correctly, the priest says “Servant ____, receive the body of Christ”), you need to know the correct way to receive and the correct response (watching what others did before me, I silently crossed myself with the Byzantine cross), and chances are the priest may refuse you if you have not been to confession recently (unless you can make arrangements beforehand like I did, I guess).
 
Well, if you didn’t want to get kicked out, you’d probably try to play along and do what the other 4 million people are doing. And that’s if you could get in to the country in the first place.

But why you’d want to put yourself through that…?
I wouldn’t, I’m simply making the point that even if by some oversight I were to get to go along to Mecca with the Muslim pilgrims I’d be bound to say or do something that a Muslim would know NOT to say or do while on the Hajj.

I’d probably get the words of the prayers wrong, I certainly wouldn’t know which direction to walk around the Kaaba (although I think you circle around it seven times?) I wouldn’t know lots of things.

I’d stick out as someone who very obviously shouldn’t be there and didn’t know what they were doing. In other words, as a non-Muslim.

And it’s the same with many non-Catholics who go to receive Communion.
 
I wouldn’t, I’m simply making the point that even if by some oversight I were to get to go along to Mecca with the Muslim pilgrims I’d be bound to say or do something that a Muslim would know NOT to say or do while on the Hajj.

I’d probably get the words of the prayers wrong, I certainly wouldn’t know which direction to walk around the Kaaba (although I think you circle around it seven times?) I wouldn’t know lots of things.

I’d stick out as someone who very obviously shouldn’t be there and didn’t know what they were doing. In other words, as a non-Muslim.

And it’s the same with many non-Catholics who go to receive Communion.
With millions of people walking around the Ka’ba, the same way, you think you couldn’t figure it out? In fact, if you tried to go the other way, someone would surely correct you. But nobody’s there keeping tabs on you. Nobody you have to prove yourself to.

But spending a few days walking miles in the desert (possibly without shoes), only to have your immune system working overdrive to fight off numerous infections. Not exactly a holiday. 🤷

I think it wouldn’t be that tough to pose Catholic and take communion. Not that I’d want to.
 
I think it wouldn’t be that tough to pose Catholic and take communion. Not that I’d want to.
True. There has been report that Muslim officials masquaraded as Catholics, went to the mass and receive Holy Communion. The reason - they wanted to spy to see whether there were Muslims going to the mass.
 
Its not difficult either way. The idea is to live and let live, not kill or be killed.
 
True. There has been report that Muslim officials masquaraded as Catholics, went to the mass and receive Holy Communion. The reason - they wanted to spy to see whether there were Muslims going to the mass.
Seriously? Ugh, no respect.
 
:thumbsup:Couldn’t agree more! If someone is moved to partake in communion even though they aren’t a “signed and sealed” Catholic, then I pray their heart has been opened to the Truth! Is it a sin??? A resounding No!:rolleyes:
Would the same work for someone who is Catholic but has committed a mortal sin?
 
Seriously? Ugh, no respect.
It would be disrespect alright but probably they did not know the extent of the importance of the Communion to Catholics. If their knowledge about Communion came from Protestants then it’s not much of a big deal to receive it. They wanted to come incognito and masquerading as Catholics might just do that. Their purpose was to check out report that many Muslims converted to Christianity and so they came to the mass to see for themselves.

I saw this report a couple of years back from church news. The Bishop of that local church did protest but no legal action was taken and I did not follow up with what happened after that.
 
It would be disrespect alright but probably they did not know the extent of the importance of the Communion to Catholics. If their knowledge about Communion came from Protestants then it’s not much of a big deal to receive it. They wanted to come incognito and masquerading as Catholics might just do that. Their purpose was to check out report that many Muslims converted to Christianity and so they came to the mass to see for themselves.

I saw this report a couple of years back from church news. The Bishop of that local church did protest but no legal action was taken and I did not follow up with what happened after that.
Where did it happen?
 
:Gee, Amy…what on earth could you be driving at… :rolleyes:
Yeah, look likes this discussion begins to take a life on its own. 😦

My point was that there were people who receive Commuinion unworthily and to support her position that it was not too difficult if one wants to pose as Catholic and receives Communion. And in fact that actually had happened - those Muslims were the example.
 
What happens if a someone who isn’t Catholic decides to pretend to be Catholic to take Communion?
Exteriorly, nothing much, really. Interiorly, the person would have eaten damnation into his soul, for trying to deceive God, who can neither deceive nor be deceived.

He might also be feeling very conflicted and upset, in the way that people do when they are successfully deceiving others - he might be trying to think of what to say if anyone says anything to him, and thinking of what else he will need to do, to continue the charade of being a Catholic, until he can get out of the building and away from those who’ve seen him receiving Holy Communion. He might at the same time feel really excited that he has “gotten away with” doing this, and feel self-congratulatory.
How does a priest know if a person is Catholic or not?
He has no way of knowing one way or the other, unless he happens to know the person quite well, or unless the person doesn’t know how to respond.
 
Yeah, look likes this discussion begins to take a life on its own. 😦

My point was that there were people who receive Commuinion unworthily and to support her position that it was not too difficult if one wants to pose as Catholic and receives Communion. And in fact that actually had happened - those Muslims were the example.
Well you’re right. And the question has been, I think, thoroughly answered. Thanks. 👍
 
🤷 I dunno. What country could it be, I wonder?
I remembered it being in Indonesia, but a quick search of Google shows that it was actually Malaysia (so I’m glad I didn’t reply earlier! :o). Here is a news article from EWTN (the Catholic TV network) on the Malaysian Catholic Church’s acceptance of the newspaper’s apology following the publication of the story.
 
I remembered it being in Indonesia, but a quick search of Google shows that it was actually Malaysia (so I’m glad I didn’t reply earlier! :o). Here is a news article from EWTN (the Catholic TV network) on the Malaysian Catholic Church’s acceptance of the newspaper’s apology following the publication of the story.
Thanks for checking on it for me.
 
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