Question about communion in the Orthodox Church

[Vico]

one Church

As soon as bishops began to disagree on theology, schisms occurred. Even the criteria of membership by baptism has caused divergence.

 

[PaulfromIowa]

I have long wished that there was just one Church-you’d have to go back to before 1054AD for that. In that case-you’d either be in it, or out of it. You either would be a Christian, or not.

There have always been schismatic groups.

 

[dvdjs]

I believe both have a very powerful claim to be the First Apostolic church, the EO seems to have changed the least since 33AD which I like.

That idea, however much touted by the EOs is actually difficult to support. When Constantinople was the center of Christian civilization it was a vibrant place of theological development and contest, as well as liturgical evolution. Since its eclipse, it has been quiescent but not without major developements in, eg,moral theology, sacramental economic, and ecumenism.

Thank you! yes I have long wished that there was just one Church-you’d have to go back to before 1054AD for that.

You would have to go back much further than that. Even if you neglect the various Christian groups judged heretical in the pre-Nicean era, it was not long after Nicea that Church of the East and the Oriental Orthodox were separated from the Orthodox Catholic Church.

 

[dochawk]

@dochawk does the OCA seem to allow Catholics to receive the Chalice more so than other Orthodox Churches here in the U.S.? I’m guessing it depends on the parish priest.

Officially, I don’t think that any Eastern Orthodox jurisdictions allows Communion to Catholics except under dire dire need. There are formal agreements with a couple of OO churches for care of one another’s faithful, but I don’t recall any with EO.

Unofficially, I think it varies widely, but haven’t heard that the OCA is any more likely.

hawk

 

[Vanny]

Yes, right, that would be the Oriental Orthodox, right?
I’m not exactly sure I know they have a bit of a different view of Christology, right?
And accept only the first 3 ecumenical Councils.
Anyway the closest one of those is hours away from me and so off my radar screen- for that and theological reasons.
I have read however about the apparitions in Egypt in 1968 that appeared at a Coptic Church and was witnessed by Christians of all stripes and even Muslims, ect.
Is this apparition accepted by the RCC as being possibly authentic? I realize the RCC can’t approve something like that that takes place outside of it’s jurisdiction.

 

[dvdjs]

Yes, right, that would be the Oriental Orthodox, right?

Oriental Orthodox include the Copts an others, buta are distinct from teh Churhc of hte East which was separated before the Oriental Orthodox.

Church of the East - Wikipedia

 

[Vanny]

yes. Nestorians have a different view of the nature of Christ I believe.

 

[dochawk]

Yes, right, that would be the Oriental Orthodox, right?
I’m not exactly sure I know they have a bit of a different view of Christology, right?

More different phrasing and words than a different understanding–as we found out when folks actually sat down and talked with rather than at one another. Gee, it only took fifteen hundred years before they had the conversation :head_smack:

The issue was for the Council of Chaldea . . . but by the time the orient arrived, the eastern and western bishops basically said, “nyah, nyah! we already did it; you lose!”

The Union of Brest’s first article noted the confusion “because we do not want to understand each other” . . .
hawk

 

[dochawk]

PS. I think the orthodox priests “dress” better than the catholics. LOL.

At my KofC chapter in DuBois, we had two members ordained as deacons in short order.

The byzantine bishop came to town and ordained the first in his own parish.

Weeks later, he was part of the KofC group that travelled to the RC cathedral.

I wasn’t able to attend either, but an RC member noted that the RC bishops present kept looking at him funny, and he thought it was because his robes were nicer and fancier than the bishops’

In the end, the two priests put their heads together and co-celebrated the mass in a catholic church.

wow. One wonders if the bishops were kept in the actual dark, or chose not to notice . . . but more of this is needed. I think the schisms will end when the laity refuse to participate in it any longer (and the Melkites are sure to be in the middle :crazy_face

We have at least one mixed couple. He never formally transitioned, but has attended and communed with her at Catholic churches for about 50 years now . . . we also have other orthodox parishioners.

hawk