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The Copts are an ancient Church founded by St. Mark-theyr eally are neither Catholic nor Orthodox-services would be closer to Orthodox

the word Copt = Egyptian

they nave their own spiritual leader -their Pope

many monasteries and Nuns

Very close to early Christianity:cool:
 
The Copts are an ancient Church founded by St. Mark-theyr eally are neither Catholic nor Orthodox-services would be closer to Orthodox

the word Copt = Egyptian

they nave their own spiritual leader -their Pope

many monasteries and Nuns

Very close to early Christianity:cool:
The majority of the Copts are indeed Oriental Orthodox.
 
The majority of the Copts are indeed Oriental Orthodox.
I agree but it is separate from the main Orthodox Churches: the Copts left before the Great Schism

" The Church belongs to the Oriental Orthodox family of churches, which has been a distinct church body since the Council of Chalcedon in AD 451, when it took a different position over Christological theology from that of the Eastern Orthodox Church":cool:
 
I agree but it is separate from the main Orthodox Churches: the Copts left before the Great Schism

" The Church belongs to the Oriental Orthodox family of churches, which has been a distinct church body since the Council of Chalcedon in AD 451, when it took a different position over Christological theology from that of the Eastern Orthodox Church":cool:
Only the Eastern Orthodox Communion don’t routinely extend them the courtesy of including the word Orthodox in both Coptic Orthodox Church and Oriental Orthodox Communion. Even then, usually, most EO do refer to them by the CO and OO terms.

Further, remember, somewhere between 5% and 15% of the copts are part of the Catholic Communion, in the Coptic Catholic Church.

Likewise, the other OO members have parallel sister-churches in the Catholic Communion. The Armenians, Ethiopians, and Eritreans all have Catholic counterparts.
 
I agree but it is separate from the main Orthodox Churches: the Copts left before the Great Schism

" The Church belongs to the Oriental Orthodox family of churches, which has been a distinct church body since the Council of Chalcedon in AD 451, when it took a different position over Christological theology from that of the Eastern Orthodox Church":cool:
I’m quite aware of all of this, and acknowledged it in my post by referring to them as Oriental Orthodox.
 
Sighhh. Why do I come back to such misinformation? Or perhaps a better question would be why I come back here at all… :rolleyes:

But you know, I can’t leave well enough alone, when it’s about my own church/communion.
Only the Eastern Orthodox Communion don’t routinely extend them the courtesy of including the word Orthodox in both Coptic Orthodox Church and Oriental Orthodox Communion. Even then, usually, most EO do refer to them by the CO and OO terms.
Well that settles it. I guess we’d best close up shop. The Byzantines (still) don’t like us. What will we ever do to gain their approval…
Further, remember, somewhere between 5% and 15% of the copts are part of the Catholic Communion, in the Coptic Catholic Church.
This is highly doubtful, to put it mildly. According to CNEWA, an unabashedly pro-Catholic source if there ever was one, there are 162,000 Coptic Catholics. Even if we take the lowest part of your 5%-15% range, and put it within the context of the undoubtedly low but commonly-cited figure of 5 million, that would be 250,000 people – well above the 162,000 figure given by CNEWA. Even more hopeful Catholic news sources say that they account for “as many as 300,000” – just barely cracking the 5% mark of the purposefully low 5 million figure. If, on the other hand, there are as many as 12,000,000 Orthodox Copts inside of Egypt, as was reportedly stated by the Church itself in 2008 according to Al-Arabiya (for those of you who don’t read Arabic, the headline says “Controversy in Egypt after official Church census states 12 million Copts”), then obviously the percentage of non-Orthodox Copts which might make up the remaining share of Christians drops accordingly. It is not controversial to state that approximately 95% of Egypt’s Christians belong to the Coptic Orthodox Church, and the remainder is not only Coptic Catholics, but also various Coptic Protestants, as well as the historic Greek Orthodox community, and various Christians of other churches, such as Armenian Orthodox, Syriacs of various flavors, etc. Using the CIA number of 9% for the total Christian population, even the highest estimate of Coptic Catholics (the 300,000 from the news story linked above) would amount to approximately 3.3%, and the CNEWA figure 1.8%. Silly I thought it was mostly Coptic Orthodox advocacy groups in the West who like inflating the number of Copts, but I haven’t seen them do so by 13.2% as you just did. You sure you aren’t a Copt? :o

Of course it would be lovely if numbers didn’t matter, but since the Coptic population is a political issue, sadly, we have to be cautious about what sorts of numbers we do throw out there. Since the recent days of Pope Benedict and his infamous Regensburg lecture and its political fallout, the association of any Christian community in the Middle East – and particularly in hotbeds of radicalism such as Egypt – with the church of Rome and/or its Pope is (sadly) a liability and a stumbling block to changing the popular conception of the Islamic majority of Christians as being somehow Western implants hellbent on destroying the societies in which they live.
 
This is a little off topic but several years ago I was friends with a Coptic Orthodox Christian from Egypt. Him and I quit talking several years ago and I am not sure why.
 
Sighhh. Why do I come back to such misinformation? Or perhaps a better question would be why I come back here at all… :rolleyes:

But you know, I can’t leave well enough alone, when it’s about my own church/communion.
Always good to see your insightful posts, dzheremi. 🙂
Well that settles it. I guess we’d best close up shop. The Byzantines (still) don’t like us. What will we ever do to gain their approval…
Apparently, many Byzantines don’t like anything non-Byzantine. :eek: 😉
Since the recent days of Pope Benedict and his infamous Regensburg lecture and its political fallout, the association of any Christian community in the Middle East – and particularly in hotbeds of radicalism such as Egypt – with the church of Rome and/or its Pope is (sadly) a liability and a stumbling block to changing the popular conception of the Islamic majority of Christians as being somehow Western implants hellbent on destroying the societies in which they live.
Actually, it predates Benedict XVI quite a bit. Perhaps not so much in Egypt, but elsewhere in the Middle East.

In any case, that’s one (but by no means the only) reason why I consistently rail against Western (including Vatican) interference in Middle Eastern affairs in general. They just don’t seem to have a clue. 🤷
 
Pope Francis seems to be doing well as of recent I see. Pope Tawadros seems to be rather vocal in Egypt also I see. 🙂
 
Is it true that the Coptic Catholics are very Latinized? I read a statement like this in a article.
 
Is it true that the Coptic Catholics are very Latinized? I read a statement like this in a article.
From my very limited experience, I think so. For one thing, they seem to have adopted the versus populum table. 😦
 
Further, remember, somewhere between 5% and 15% of the copts are part of the Catholic Communion, in the Coptic Catholic Church.
I was going to comment on this, but not in as much depth as dzheremi did 😊 🙂 … I would have said something like “I thought the ratio of Coptic Orthodox to Coptic Catholics was more like 50:1 or 100:1.”
 
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