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What is the goal of the ecumentism movement? As far as I can see only the EO being the only one that can come over as they are. If lets say we were to unite with Anglican church they would have to get rid of alot of the clergy and change all the teachings. To me its seems more of an issue of just taking over the buildings and letting most of the members leave and join another denomination because how I see it someone who desires Catholic union would have already converted. Am I missing what this movement is all about. Maybe I’m looking too short term.
 
What is the goal of the ecumentism movement? As far as I can see only the EO being the only one that can come over as they are. If lets say we were to unite with Anglican church they would have to get rid of alot of the clergy and change all the teachings. To me its seems more of an issue of just taking over the buildings and letting most of the members leave and join another denomination because how I see it someone who desires Catholic union would have already converted. Am I missing what this movement is all about. Maybe I’m looking too short term.
There are two forms of ecumenism: one is true and the other false.

True ecumenism seeks to convert the non-Catholics, and bring them into the Catholic Church so that we can be united in the same faith.

False ecumenism focuses on what we have in agreement, ignores the errors of the others, and seeks to unite with heretics and schismatics without their having to renounce their errors and accept the Catholic Faith. Its goal is to build on One World Church, also known as the Great Harlot on chapter 17 of the apocalypse, where there is a union of truth and error, fire and water, Christ and Belial. It is a false “church” built on the Freemasonic idea of “unity in diversity”.

This Great Harol was described by Anna Katherina Emmerick.

Anna Katherina Emmerick, 1832: “I saw many pastors cherishing dangerous ideas against the Church. . . . They built a large, singular, extravagant church which was to embrace all creeds with equal rights Evangelicals, Catholics, and all denominations, a true communion of the unholy with one shepherd and one flock. There was to be a Pope, a salaried Pope, without possessions. All was made ready, many things finished; but, in place of an altar, were only abomination and desolation. Such was the new church to be, and it was for it that he had set fire to the old one; * but God designed otherwise.”

When this false form of ecumenism emerged, it was condemned by Pope Pius IX in the encyclical Mortalium Animos.
 
Hmm. I’m not sure there is a single “Ecumenical Movement.” There have been numerous sort of parallel ecumenical efforts over the last fifty years, some of which the RCC has been a party to.

With that caveat I would say Ecumenism has both long-term and short-term goals. The long-term goal is to fulfill the prayer of Jesus “that they all may be one” - a restoration of the Body to perfect unity with her one Head.

The short-term goals have been to seek out and emphasize those truths on which we are already in agreement, to work together in acts of justice and mercy as a manifestation of our shared faith, to begin to untangle the areas in which we disagree and sort out what each party actually means by their expressions of faith (as compared with fighting over one another’s misperceptions or caricatures), particularly stripping away the original political influences and accrued bad behavior on both sides.

Because there are multiple schisms (schisi?) this is not one discussion but many. What divides the RCC and the EO is not at all what divides the RCC and the Lutherans, for example. And that doesn’t even begin to consider the divisions within Protestantism.

The “return home” phenomenon is related but not the same - I think there are many individuals who in the course of their examination of the controversies that divide discover that they can in good conscience be united to Rome (or that they cannot in good conscience remain separated.) The “whole parish” shifts are more a result of changes within their denominations that convince them they cannot remain there - this is I think mostly an Anglican thing.
 
Definition of Ecumenism
The Ecumenical Movement is basically the movement toward reunion of all Churches into a single Church, one in body, but not necessarily holding the same religious tenets… spotlighting things we have in common, hush-hushing those things which divide us. Should you ask, however, ten different theologians of ten denominations for a definition of ecumenism, chances are you would receive ten slightly different replies. This is the greatest weakness of ecumenism. It is a slippery sloppy expression devoid of any solid orthodox definition. It thus avails itself of ambiguity and double talk–as do subversive movements in general. The Second Vatican Council had a great deal to say about ecumenism, without ever giving the definition of the word!
Prior to 1960, the Catholic Church had always kept the Ecumenical Movement at arms length from the mystical Body of Christ, now and then touching it with the proverbial ten-foot pole, but never taking an active part.
Any student of ecclesiastical history will tell you that the Roman Catholic Church’s particular charism was to clarify the truth in times of confusion and, to counter what was novel or erroneous by clinging to and defining what she has always believed since the time of the Apostles. Thus when Martin Luther denied so much of what the Roman Church held true, she took care of this problem at the Council of Trent… defining in detail each one of the Seven Sacraments, indulgences, justification, etc. The Church does not invent new doctrines at these councils, but defines and clarifies in a solemn and official manner what she has always believed. The Councils of the past took the Church and the world from a time of confusion, into a period of theological stability. Unfortunately, Vatican II is the first council in the history of the Church that did not help in this regard. As a matter of fact, we must regretfully admit that all evidence clearly shows she only made things far worse.
Origin of Ecumenism
The ecumenical movement as it exists today owes its origin to a conference of Protestant missionaries at Edinburgh in 1910. Its original purpose was among Protestant missionaries of different denominations to promote a spirit of collaboration in order to “evangelize” the pagan world. Doctrinal differences were to be played down… unity of action and what was held in common by all was to be exalted.
It was during this time that Charles Brent, an American Episcopal Bishop of the Philippines conceived the idea of assembling a great conference of delegates from all Christian confessions. A second conference was formed shortly after by Brent called the “Conference on Faith and Order.” In 1919, the Holy See being invited to send delegates politely declined. Pope Benedict XV explained that although his earnest desire was one fold and one shepherd, it would be impossible for the Catholic Church to join with others in search of unity. As for the Church of Christ, it is already one and could not give the appearance of searching for itself or for its own unity. It is reported that the Holy Father did not disapprove of the movement as something outside the Catholic Church, but by his own words it is obvious he knew it was not only futile, but dangerous and even scandalous to the Catholic Faithful to participate in seeking unity in such a manner.
It was through this movement that the World Council of Churches was born.
Mortalium Animos and Humani Generis
There is no doubt that certain priests and theologians, influenced by a distorted notion of Christian Charity became interested in this “Movement of Unity”, and that many were literally straining at the leash to take part. Thus Pope Pius XI was moved to provide the excellent Catholic guidance he did in his 1928 encyclical Mortalium Animos, (ON FOSTERING TRUE RELIGIOUS UNITY) an encyclical which, for obvious reasons, is seldom quoted these days. Pope Pius XII also sounded the alarm to this error in his great 1950 encyclical Humani Generis (TREATING CERTAIN FALSE OPINIONS THAT THREATEN TO RUIN THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH). He warned of those who wished to “reduce to a minimum the meaning of Catholic dogmas…” and "the desire to do away with the barriers that divide good and honest men.”The term he employed was “eirenism” calling it a “serious danger” because “it is concealed beneath the mask of virtue.”(See Humani Generis par. 12 to 25). Father Vincent Micelli has called this “the Forgotten Encyclical”. It seems more likely that it was not forgotten, but vehemently ignored! Strangely enough, the very acts considered immoral by both Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII were urged upon Catholics following the 1962-65 Council as being suddenly justified by the so-called “Spirit of Vatican II.”

**Snippet from ** catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/ecumenism/ecumnism.htm
 
I would suggest that the best place to start reading about what you ask is Church teaching

Vatican II’s Decree on Ecumenism begins with what seems a very basic, succinct definition of ecumenism:
The restoration of unity among all Christians is one of the principal concerns of the Second Vatican Council.
The document is not too long you can read it here: http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_...ecree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html

I would also recommend the Catechism of the Catholic Church para 813-822

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM
 
I would suggest that the best place to start reading about what you ask is Church teaching

Vatican II’s Decree on Ecumenism begins with what seems a very basic, succinct definition of ecumenism:

The document is not too long you can read it here:

vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_...ecree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html

I would also recommend the Catechism of the Catholic Church para 813-822

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM
 
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