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Teen4Christ
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I can that all studies that say otherwise are written by anti-homosexual activists, it’s a two way street.
There’s hate on both sides, Christians and gays need to come together to make the world a better place
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There’s hate on both sides, Christians and gays need to come together to make the world a better place
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pathia
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I don’t recall ever claiming the reason I couldn’t get insurance was homosexuality. First of all, I’m bisexual and never have claimed to be homosexual. Second, I have been denied care, because they don’t want to touch me, because I was ‘dirty’. That is what has happened, not lack of insurance, but lack of doctors, EMT’s and ER folks from even wanting to treat me.
That was what all this was supposed to be about, not insurance, but someone latched onto that ages ago instead of what I was actually trying to say.
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Dispector
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Maybe I’m a bit late to the party… and I haven’t read the entire thread… but I do have a question. I apologize if it has been addressed before.
As a Catholic I believe, in a religious context, that a homosexual marriage is impossible. Although people may claim there is such a thing as “homosexual marriage” this does not exist in the eyes of God. It is God’s grace that creates a marriage between a man and woman. There is no such thing as a man-man or woman-woman marriage in the Catholic tradition. I hold this tradition to be true. I frown upon it, and of course, would never condone nor partake in a gay marriage.
But, given that the United States allows for the freedom of religion I cannot enforce such a belief on another person who does not hold Catholic beliefs. If another individual holds a religious belief that a “gay marriage” is valid then I cannot prevent that person from living in such an arrangement (1st Amendment). It seems to me that by preventing such a union (as sinful as it is) we are simply violating the 1st Amendment.
However, I must say that I am growing frustrated by homosexual groups growing attacks on Christian theology and tradition for holding the belief that gay marriages to be invalid. It seems, that they are attempting to change a concept of Christian morality which has been in place for centuries.
As a Catholic I believe, in a religious context, that a homosexual marriage is impossible. Although people may claim there is such a thing as “homosexual marriage” this does not exist in the eyes of God. It is God’s grace that creates a marriage between a man and woman. There is no such thing as a man-man or woman-woman marriage in the Catholic tradition. I hold this tradition to be true. I frown upon it, and of course, would never condone nor partake in a gay marriage.
But, given that the United States allows for the freedom of religion I cannot enforce such a belief on another person who does not hold Catholic beliefs. If another individual holds a religious belief that a “gay marriage” is valid then I cannot prevent that person from living in such an arrangement (1st Amendment). It seems to me that by preventing such a union (as sinful as it is) we are simply violating the 1st Amendment.
However, I must say that I am growing frustrated by homosexual groups growing attacks on Christian theology and tradition for holding the belief that gay marriages to be invalid. It seems, that they are attempting to change a concept of Christian morality which has been in place for centuries.
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maggiemay2u
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My friend, if you are truly for Christ, then you know homosexuals are blessed with the cross of celibacy. That’s it, that’s all, that’s all there is.
The same applies to the widowed, divorced and never married. It is a a gift of God. As the blind are called to see beauty through their other senses, the single are called to celebrate their humanity through other means than sex.
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maggiemay2u
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I don’t recall ever claiming the reason I couldn’t get insurance was homosexuality. First of all, I’m bisexual and never have claimed to be homosexual. Second, I have been denied care, because they don’t want to touch me, because I was ‘dirty’. That is what has happened, not lack of insurance, but lack of doctors, EMT’s and ER folks from even wanting to treat me.
Maybe they heard about the gun
That was what all this was supposed to be about, not insurance, but someone latched onto that ages ago instead of what I was actually trying to say.
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Dispector
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You are correct regarding celibacy for homosexuals. However, I don’t believe celibacy applies for the widowed. In that case they are allowed to remarry. Additionally, an annulment also allows for the person to remarry.
I believe that’s right. If I’m wrong please correct me.
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benedictus2
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Very well said
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pathia
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Not likely, I didn’t have my gun on me, nor would they have even known I ever had one. They referred to me as ‘IT’ and they were talking about me, not anything on me. ~I don’t want to touch…to touch…IT!~
However, I am lucky. At least they didn’t sit around at the scene of the accident, stop care and mock my body. Even as witnesses to the accident screamed at them to continue treatment.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyra_Hunter
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fix
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For one thing I would say marriage is a natural institution that predates the Church. We know from reason that marriage is always between one man and one woman.
Changing this defintion changes society and marriage.
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v3orb
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“But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.” 1 Cor 7:9
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sedonaman
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I’m glad to see someone else doubts her story.
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PJM
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Are we choosing to ignore here that marriage; defined as “a blessed union of one man and one woman” is one of the Seven Sacramnets instituted by Jesus Christ? Clearly God’s written word
forbids all form of homosexually. It cannot (not willnot!), cannot be altered!
God love you so much, that He will allow you to ignore, misinterept, or even make up your own vwersion of the bible as other have done before you.
But know this my friend, it may change your life on earth? It WILL certainly change your after life! God has to be JUST (using God’s own defination not your’s), and so He will be:thumbsup:
YES BUT!!! Only as God and His Chruch define it. PERIOD!!!
The reason is that as the Catechesism explains:
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CCC #1660 The marriage covenant, by which a man and a woman form with each other an intimate communion of life and love, has been founded and endowed with its own special laws by the Creator. By its very nature it is ordered to the good of the couple, as well as to the generation and education of children. Christ the Lord raised marriage between the baptized to the dignity of a sacrament (cf. CIC, can. 1055 § 1; cf. GS 48 § 1)."
CCC # 1652** “By its very nature the institution of marriage and married love is ordered to the procreation and education of the offspring and it is in them that it finds its crowning glory.”**
Children are the supreme gift of marriage and contribute greatly to the good of the parents themselves. God himself said: “It is not good that man should be alone,” and “from the beginning [he] made them male and female”; wishing to associate them in a special way in his own creative work, God blessed man and woman with the words: “Be fruitful and multiply.” Hence, true married love and the whole structure of family life which results from it, without diminishment of the other ends of marriage, are directed to disposing the spouses to cooperate valiantly with the love of the Creator and Savior, who through them will increase and enrich his family from day to day. " enf quote
Having children is the primary goal of marriage. Futher the number of children (if any) is solely the Power of God’s domain. We may not without grave moral consequences, use unnatural means to effect the possibility of pregnancy!
God bless you,
PJM m.c.
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maggiemay2u
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Ahhhh, sorry, didn’t realize I’d have to bring diagrams and picks for the nits.You are correct regarding celibacy for homosexuals. However, I don’t believe celibacy applies for the widowed. In that case they are allowed to remarry. Additionally, an annulment also allows for the person to remarry.
I believe that’s right. If I’m wrong please correct me.
I speak in general of ANY single state. Obviously a widow may remarry, but until she does, she is called to celibacy. Annulments, which IMHO, are way to common and are open to fraud, mean no marriage took place in the first place, so again, obviously, the man or woman can enter into marriage. Priests can’t marry, neither can religious, unless relieved of their vows. Hopefully, I am now making myself more clear.
You are absolutely correct ,a man may enter into a marital state as long as they are legitimately able to do so.
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sedonaman
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No. We are choosing to ignore that the innovator of social change has the burden of proof that his idea is a good one. The burden is not on the traditionalist to prove it is a bad one.
We needn’t go to the extent of any of those theological gymnastics. The Declaration of Independence [one of our founding documents, and a secular one at that] says that rights come from the Creator. Where in any authoritative theological writings is the claim made that even man-woman marriage is a “right”, much less sodomite “marriage”?
By demanding the advocates locate such writing
The fact of the matter is that marriage being a right is the product of bad reasoning, and sodomite “marriage” a product of even worse reasoning.
As I posted at the beginning, anything the government prevents a liberal from doing suddenly becomes a “right”.
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pathia
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Which part gives you doubt? I will be the first to admit I am not the most coherent individual.
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maggiemay2u
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Thanks for picking Paul, you made my answer an easy one to think of…
Ephesians 5:25,27,29-32 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the Church, and gave Himself for it. … 27 That He might present it to Himself a glorious church. … 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the Church: 30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Christ was no PC prophet, had He meant to include our brethren, who because of nature or nurture, are outside the norm, He would have said so…
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sedonaman
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The whole story sounded just a little too contrived. Every time a poster suggested a solution to one of your problems, you came up with new problems, that sounded like excuses, that eliminated the solution; and your problems and excuses seemed to expand geometrically. Legalizing sodomite “marriage” wouldn’t solve your alleged medical problems, so what they all have to do with it is still is unclear.
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pathia
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My partner of 9 years has a union job and healthcare that would cover me regardless of my past medical issues. They will not cover me unless we are legally married.
I have been trying to get insurance since about 1998, I am not ungrateful for the ideas that posters suggest, but keep in mind that I’ve been trying all sorts of ways to get coverage for a decade now. That’s alot of time, to try alot of things!
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StAnastasia
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By definition a widow is celibate until she remarries.
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RobertLGarrett
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Well…not “by definition,” but she certainly should be, just as any non-married person should be.
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