Question about Gay Marriage

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Teen4Christ said:
Well…let me clarify, we know what the bible says, but did god truly say that? the bible was made by men, and aren’t men flawed? isn’t it possible that one wrote their own agenda down and passed it on as that of god’s?
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If you are questioning whether God said that in the Bible then I think you should wipe out the Christian label on your profile.
 
benedictus2 said:
If you are questioning whether God said that in the Bible then I think you should wipe out the Christian label on your profile.
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Maybe everyone who’s even been in a divorce, or masturbated, or used birth control, or sinned in any way, should we all remove it from our profiles? Every single one?

There wouldn’t be very many left.
 
Teen4Christ said:
So…are you saying I can’t disagree with some things and be christian? if so, that’s fine. All I know is, I believe I’m appropriately following Christ, and what he stood for.
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If you are actively homosexual then no you’re not following Christ.

Here is Romans 1 for you

While claiming to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes. 24 Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 **Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, ****27 ****and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. **28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper.

When you truly acknowledge God you will discern that homosexual activity is wrong.

Read about David McDonald’s beautiful testimony on this website

http://www.davidmacd.com/web_pages/gay_testimony.htm
 
pathia said:
Maybe everyone who’s even been in a divorce, or masturbated, or used birth control, or sinned in any way, should we all remove it from our profiles? Every single one?

There wouldn’t be very many left.
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I think the difference is that we all acknowledge these are sins and we acknowledge we are sinners.

What you want is for us to say that homesexual intercourse is not a sin. That is when you stop being a Christian.

That would be like adulterers demaning that adultery not be declared a sin. It is not us who determines what constitutes a sin. Only God has that sole prerogative.
 
pathia said:
Maybe everyone who’s even been in a divorce, or masturbated, or used birth control, or sinned in any way, should we all remove it from our profiles? Every single one?

There wouldn’t be very many left.
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misunderstood…as usual

we know that these things you mentioned are sins…though in the case of divorce it’s only a sin to use the man-made separation to re-marry…you can only re-marry in the Church if it can be proven that no valid sacramental bond was contracted to begin with…masturbation is definitely a sin though as is use of birth control…but while acknowledging that these are sins…we can obtain absolution from these sins…when Christians commit sin we don’t automatically excommunicate them for every one…there are some crimes against the Church though that are so heinous that one is excommunicated automatically by commission of the act…such as abortion…but that is a different matter…we do encourage our fellow Christians though to seek absolution if they have committed a sin…it is when people who claim to be Christian yet reject Christianity’s core teachings…such as rejecting the fact that Christ is Lord and Savior of all mankind and that the Bible is a divinely inspired work…it is then we ask them to re-examine their own conscience and ask themselves if they can be truly Christian
 
pathia said:
If there is no government sanction we can be denied insurance, hospital visitation rights, property rights, security, peace of mind.

None of that exists with a ‘commitment ceremony’ and the legal minefield to duplicating it with generic legal paperwork is a living nightmare.
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Explain to me how it’s a legal nightmare. Denied health insurance?? I don’t believe that this is true. I have two children who are executives in large insurance companies & anyone can buy an insurance policy. The cost of same depends, of course, on the health of the person applying for a policy. I think that what you mean is that a partner in a same-sex relationship, cannot be covered as a dependent on their partner’s insurance.

Hospital visitation rights can be obtained by an hour long visit with an attorney, as can inheritance & property rights.

As for “security” in life, that is an oxymoron & peace of mind comes only from God.

The protections that you speak of are rightly given only to a man & woman who enter into a valid Marriage with the intention of raising families that will be a benefit to society. Two men/two women cannot accomplish this.
 
Pro-sodomite “marriage” posters in our discussion here seem to have invoked what is known as “The Tolerance Über Alles Principle” [Tolerance Above All]. I detect it especially in “pathia’s” posts.

Because it is impossible to tailor our society of 300 million [plus or minus] to suit every single one, the “The Tolerance Über Alles Principle” has transformed it into a Nietzschean contest of a will to power, of asserting a minority’s preferences over those of the majority while condemning them to the status of “bigot,” absent the granting of those preferences.

In the instant case of admittance to a hospital room, I had an experience just two days ago. A friend’s wife was dying in the hospital, so we went there to see her. We walked in and said to the receptionist that we were there to see so-and-so. Without so much as a question about who we were, we were immediately escorted to her room.

I suspect that “pathia’s” complaint is based on a single case, and she is just repeating it here, ad nausium, as though it was the defining problem of sodomite life, and that one data point could describe a whole universe. I await her describing a patient who is incoherent and couldn’t give consent. That usually follows comments like
CradleCath said:
Hospital visitation rights can be obtained by an hour long visit with an attorney…
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In such cases of an incoherent patient, the hospital would probably be just honoring the wishes of the patient’s family, and rightfully so. And I don’t blame them. If my son was dying of drug abuse, the last ones I’d want around him are his fellow druggie buddies who would serve no purpose other than to be a constant, in-my-face reminder of the culture that put him there.

Is “pathia” happy about this? Does she accept and respect the family’s wishes? No. She wants the tyranny of her individual human will, a minority position, to be forced on them, and society in general. Yet, she demands acceptance from the very ones she denies it to.
 
CradleCath said:
Explain to me how it’s a legal nightmare. Denied health insurance?? I don’t believe that this is true. I have two children who are executives in large insurance companies & anyone can buy an insurance policy. The cost of same depends, of course, on the health of the person applying for a policy. I think that what you mean is that a partner in a same-sex relationship, cannot be covered as a dependent on their partner’s insurance.

Hospital visitation rights can be obtained by an hour long visit with an attorney, as can inheritance & property rights.

As for “security” in life, that is an oxymoron & peace of mind comes only from God.

The protections that you speak of are rightly given only to a man & woman who enter into a valid Marriage with the intention of raising families that will be a benefit to society. Two men/two women cannot accomplish this.
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Well…they can if they have a surrogate mother or get a sperm donation:shrug:
 
Teen4Christ said:
Well…they can if they have a surrogate mother or get a sperm donation:shrug:
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It takes more than that to raise a family that’s a benefit to society. In fact, what you propose would be a detriment because children need, and have a right to, both a mother and father.
 
Teen4Christ said:
At times, yes. When this happens, I try to consult Christians I know who are very strong in their faith.
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But aren’t these Christians who are very strong in their faith flawed? How do you know what they’re telling you is true to be so?
 
PRmerger said:
But aren’t these Christians who are very strong in their faith flawed?
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Everything in this world is “flawed”, even the pope who is infallible only in matters of faith and morals; in everything else, he is “flawed”.
 
Ferde_Rombola said:
Loving v. Virginia is an old case. When it was decided the concept of men ‘marrying’ men was unheard of and never so much as contemplated. The decision dealt strictly with heterosexual marriage. The comparison is inapposite and using it to try to validate homosexual marriage is fraudulent. The ‘civil right’ element applies to the Commonwealth of Virginia only. If anyone tried to use it to make homosexual marriage legal in Virginia, they’d be thrown out of court.
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Exactly. But the truth doesn’t seem to matter to gays or the PC pushers whocan’t say no to anyone but churches.
 
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