Question about Gay Marriage

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Ferde_Rombola said:
Eliminating ‘the last time I checked’ what you allege is a flat-out lie. Any and all ‘studies’ declaring homosexuality is a normal condition were controlled by homosexuals pushing the agenda.

Please don’t try to sell that **** around here.
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That is not a flat out lie. Should I give you the APA or any other major psychological organization in the world. Or would you only listen to a group who agrees with you, not based on the evidence but by there own theologically based system which ignore reality to fit ours at the cost of many lives. I am always amazed that this minority of 1 percent was able to fool an entire organization which cares about the health of the individual and what the evidence actually suggests.
 
iamme said:
they were meant to be.
finding logic or reason in love and attraction is a fruitless endeavor, as would be answering any of my questions…
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It is not a fruitless endeavor if you believe in God. If you believe in God, then there must be logic and reason in all of creation. Of course, if you don’t believe in God, then I suppose we are talking on two different planes.
 
iamme said:
it kinda does, because you said it doesnt mean its made for sex, and it almost certainly was…
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I said it wasn’t necessarily meant to be physically stimulated by things. Of course it is involved in sex.
 
Kevin42 said:
Your questions make no sense.

And this thread is quickly losing charity from both sides. I pray we will all be prayerful before we post. Peace and good.
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They make sense until the last one. The idea about personal preference hold truth. Tell me you can walk down the street and pick and choose which individuals you notice for their beauty. The institution of marriage as being between a male and a female brings up other often overlook ideas. Long ago, interracial relationships were seen as an abomination. Marriages were arranged. Families married for political power. A lot has changed since the dawn of time. Humans, by nature, resist change.
 
Kevin42 said:
It is not a fruitless endeavor if you believe in God. If you believe in God, then there must be logic and reason in all of creation. Of course, if you don’t believe in God, then I suppose we are talking on two different planes.
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no, its fruitless, because if it werent, all men would want YOUR wife, or all women would want you. in a scientific sense, if, like some, you want to go to the animal kingdom with it, then women would sleep with as many men as they could until pregnancy, then men would impregnate as many women as they could. but thats not how man works. our actions and impulses arent ingrained by any specific source, we do many different things for many different reasons, and trying to stereotype all people into one catergory, and saying “this why you do what you do” will never be correct, or attainable.
and if there is a certain logic behind gods intentions, then its not for you or i to know.
 
Kevin42 said:
I said it wasn’t necessarily meant to be physically stimulated by things. Of course it is involved in sex.
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well, as i said about the prostate massge being used for many many non sexual things, yes, it was meant to be physically stimulated…
 
NoMoreGames said:
They make sense until the last one. The idea about personal preference hold truth. Tell me you can walk down the street and pick and choose which individuals you notice for their beauty. The institution of marriage as being between a male and a female brings up other often overlook ideas. Long ago, interracial relationships were seen as an abomination. Marriages were arranged. Families married for political power. A lot has changed since the dawn of time. Humans, by nature, resist change.
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You are talking about what people used marriages for, not what marriage was actually meant for. And the Church has never taught interracial marriages were wrong.
 
To be honest, before either school of though embarrasses itself any further, I think this topic is best dropped. Neither side will change its views, and we’re getting off topic. Agree to disagree. We all love God. Anything else is just circumstantial.
 
Kevin42 said:
You are talking about what people used marriages for, not what marriage was actually meant for. And the Church has never taught interracial marriages were wrong.
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In 1961, the Catholic Church in the United States obeyed state laws which prohibited interracial marriage, as well as laws in some states which prohibited integrated congregations.
 
iamme said:
no, its fruitless, because if it werent, all men would want YOUR wife, or all women would want you. in a scientific sense, if, like some, you want to go to the animal kingdom with it, then women would sleep with as many men as they could until pregnancy, then men would impregnate as many women as they could. but thats not how man works. our actions and impulses arent ingrained by any specific source, we do many different things for many different reasons, and trying to stereotype all people into one catergory, and saying “this why you do what you do” will never be correct, or attainable.
and if there is a certain logic behind gods intentions, then its not for you or i to know.
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If you believe in God, then you have faith and reason. Not just reason, as you seem to be suggesting above. And furthermore, we are capable of discovering the logic and reason of God in limited ways. This is what math, science, philosophy, and theology are all about.
 
Kevin42 said:
If you believe in God, then you have faith and reason. Not just reason, as you seem to be suggesting above. And furthermore, we are capable of discovering the logic and reason of God in limited ways. This is what math, science, philosophy, and theology are all about.
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for me, yes and no.
i agree with you, but people are bringing up things like biological imperatives, which are scientific in nature, and really, science has nothign to do with god, other than using and evolving the tools he left for us. science is not in the god business…
 
iamme said:
In 1961, the Catholic Church in the United States obeyed state laws which prohibited interracial marriage, as well as laws in some states which prohibited integrated congregations.
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The Catholic Church has never taught interracial marriages were wrong. In specific areas, they may have been customarily discourage, but the magisterium has never taught they were wrong. The Church has always upheld that all races have equal humanity and dignity.
 
Kevin42 said:
The Catholic Church has never taught interracial marriages were wrong. In specific areas, they may have been customarily discourage, but the magisterium has never taught they were wrong. The Church has always upheld that all races have equal humanity and dignity.
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the last bit is true, but by virtue of refusing to do so (marry them) that is a condemnation and discouragement. thats like me saying slave owners discouraged slavery.
 
iamme said:
the last bit is true, but by virtue of refusing to do so (marry them) that is a condemnation and discouragement. thats like me saying slave owners discouraged slavery.
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It’s more like saying that the Church did not have any problem with something, but some foolish people did not submit their own will to that of the Church’s;) .
 
also, under the threat of banning (for something totally seperate and unclear, really) i just want to be able to say that i understand and respect everyones viewpoint here, even if i do not agree with it!
i just hope people will be able to see beyond the “ick” factor and be good to one another because thats all god could want from us.
 
Kevin42 said:
It’s more like saying that the Church did not have any problem with something, but some foolish people did not submit their own will to that of the Church’s;) .
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The church did not have a problem with the dignity of another race being degraded? Wow I think you need to work on that defense.
 
Kevin42 said:
It’s more like saying that the Church did not have any problem with something, but some foolish people did not submit their own will to that of the Church’s;) .
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i dont really think thats what its like at all, myself…
 
It has nothing to do with an ick factor for me. I respect everyone here and understand the personal struggles that many people who are attracted to the same-sex feel. However, this thread got going much to fast for me, so I will probably take a break from it for a brief while. Peace and good to all!
 
Polaris said:
The church did not have a problem with the dignity of another race being degraded? Wow I think you need to work on that defense.
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I meant the Church did not have a problem with interracial marriage. My apologies if I am unclear…as I said, this thread has been moving very swiftly…
 
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