Question about Gay Marriage

[JEANNIEMAC]

I repeat - What is the reason, purpose or logic for a sexual attraction between two persons of the same sex?
It is a simple question. What is the answer?

 

[Polaris]

I repeat - What is the reason, purpose or logic for a sexual attraction between two persons of the same sex?
It is a simple question. What is the answer?

Answer this question what is the point of two elderly persons having sex? What purpose does it serve? If you can answer that you can explain a gay relationship.

 

[Polaris]

I meant the Church did not have a problem with interracial marriage. My apologies if I am unclear…as I said, this thread has been moving very swiftly…

Oh ok It is going fast and I was hoping you didn’t mean what it sounded like. That happens to me all the time so I understand hehehe.

 

[NoMoreGames]

I repeat - What is the reason, purpose or logic for a sexual attraction between two persons of the same sex?
It is a simple question. What is the answer?

love

 

[Kevin42]

love

A love that is healthy is fine. Sexual relations though, are not. Sexual relations are only acceptable withing marriage. And we have discussed the Catholic view on marriage… Oh hear we go around again. Lord help us all .

 

[iamme]

love

i think shes looking for this;
there is no reason so there shouldnt be any gays or lesbians because theyre dirty and i dont understand them and like my bubble…

but she doesnt understand that humans are irrational and illogical creatures and cant be quantified by so “simple” a question…

 

[iamme]

A love that is healthy is fine. Sexual relations though, are not. Sexual relations are only acceptable withing marriage. And we have discussed the Catholic view on marriage… Oh hear we go around again. Lord help us all .

and i think the main point of this thread were that maybe the church should modify its view, as opposed to alienating a great many people from god.
church law is an evolving one, after all.

 

[Kevin42]

and i think the main point of this thread were that maybe the church should modify its view, as opposed to alienating a great many people from god.
church law is an evolving one, after all.

As I said earlier in the thread though, the sacrament of marriage was not created by the Church and she does not have the authority to change what it is.

Anyhow, I am out of this thread for the evening. Peace and good to all of you .

 

[Polaris]

Marriage as defined by the catholic church before or during the last century? When it wasn’t a sacrament, till its later development as one. Much like coronation is now being considered. From the sole purpose being reproduction to the current two fold understanding of marriage. From when the church banned men that did not have testicle to after a period when they were allowed to marry. From banning sex using NFP which every church father disagreed with augustine himself coming out against an early form of NFP practiced by the greeks which is now accepted and supported by the church. From the negative understanding of the pleasure of sex in marriage to a positive view. Gee they keep changing there mind all the time, how do you decide that what you have now is the full understanding of marriage. I say give it another thousand years and we will see how they keep the doctrine but change the definitions. Its man and woman but that is not to be understood in a limiting sense, sort of like salvation outside the church, it can be understood as a relationship with the two men enter with church which represent the female blah blah They do it all the time, we just say they came to a fuller understanding.

 

[JEANNIEMAC]

Kevin 42: I’m with you. No matter what logic is presented, replies are given here that just go around in circles. It boils down to: “Our Creator gives us free will. With that gift comes the burden of choice.”
Good night, God bless us all.

 

[dixieagle]

and i think the main point of this thread were that maybe the church should modify its view, as opposed to alienating a great many people from god.
church law is an evolving one, after all.

The Church’s view that homosexual actions are contrary to nature is quite different from Church law with regard to, say, abstinence from meat on Fridays. The former derives from God’s own natural law; the latter is a changeable Church discipline.

When people choose to engage in such actions, they alienate themselves from God, sadly. (Of course, the Church also teaches that homosexual persons must be treated with dignity and love; it is homosexual actions, not orientation, that are problematic.)

 

[PRmerger]

the last bit is true, but by virtue of refusing to do so (marry them) that is a condemnation and discouragement. thats like me saying slave owners discouraged slavery.

If a priest refused to marry an interracial couple, then he was disobeying his own church’s teaching.

Using a renegade priest to claim, “well, the church condemned interracial marriages!” is disingenuous.

It’s like someone saying, “My priest told me in my case abortion was a moral option”, and then claiming, “See! The Catholic Church is ok with abortion!”

 

[Polaris]

If a priest refused to marry an interracial couple, then he was disobeying his own church’s teaching.

Using a renegade priest to claim, “well, the church condemned interracial marriages!” is disingenuous.

It’s like someone saying, “My priest told me in my case abortion was a moral option”, and then claiming, “See! The Catholic Church is ok with abortion!”

No, he was saying in the states that did not allow interracial marriages, the church refused to marry them. The rogues were the ones that married them The true the church followed state law regardless of its teaching of equal dignity. Though if you read the catholic encyclopedia on the the African American you might realize dignity does not mean equality:

His docile, cheerful, and emotional disposition is much influenced by his immediate environment, whether those surroundings be good or evil. Catholic faith and discipline are known to have a wholesome effect on the race. Observing men and judges of courts have remarked on the law-abiding spirit existing in Catholic coloured communities.** Some elements of the white man’s civilization do not always tend to elevate the morality of the negro. The negro is naturally gregarious, and the dissipations and conditions of city life in many instances corrupt the native simplicity of the younger generation to the sorrow of their more conservative elders.** (For a view ofreligion in these later times among the blacks in the native African home of the race, see AFRICA.) Contrary to a prevalent opinion, the negro, when well grounded in the Catholic faith, is tenacious of it.

Scary is it not? I realize it was a different time but it takes a away the roses of perfection that so many claim the catholic church represented through out all time.

Oh and goodnight to all, I do not have a day off tomorrow so again I shall disappear until who knows when. Goodluck with the conversations and God bless.

 

[Polaris]

No, he was saying in the states that did not allow interracial marriages, the church refused to marry them. The rogues were the ones that married them The true the church followed state law regardless of its teaching of equal dignity. Though if you read the catholic encyclopedia on the the African American you might realize dignity does not mean equality:

His docile, cheerful, and emotional disposition is much influenced by his immediate environment, whether those surroundings be good or evil. Catholic faith and discipline are known to have a wholesome effect on the race. Observing men and judges of courts have remarked on the law-abiding spirit existing in Catholic coloured communities.** Some elements of the white man’s civilization do not always tend to elevate the morality of the negro. The negro is naturally gregarious, and the dissipations and conditions of city life in many instances corrupt the native simplicity of the younger generation to the sorrow of their more conservative elders.** (For a view ofreligion in these later times among the blacks in the native African home of the race, see AFRICA.) Contrary to a prevalent opinion, the negro, when well grounded in the Catholic faith, is tenacious of it.

Scary is it not? I realize it was a different time but it takes a away the roses of perfection that so many claim the catholic church represented through out all time.

Oh and goodnight to all, I do not have a day off tomorrow so again I shall disappear. Goodluck with the conversations and God bless.

 

[cristininha]

With time, the Church will rid itself from the racist and homophobic elements. Those who, for some reason, interpret the scriptures in racist or homophobic ways are going to suffer, since they’ll find harder and harder to find justification for their discriminatory behaviour.

 

[iamme]

The Church’s view that homosexual actions are contrary to nature is quite different from Church law with regard to, say, abstinence from meat on Fridays. The former derives from God’s own natural law; the latter is a changeable Church discipline.

When people choose to engage in such actions, they alienate themselves from God, sadly. (Of course, the Church also teaches that homosexual persons must be treated with dignity and love; it is homosexual actions, not orientation, that are problematic.)

usually, i would just roll my eyes at something like this, but thats like saying that everything we DONT do (murder, steal, rape, etc) is only through virtue of our choosing not to do, as though we would have some inner need to do it, to begin with… again, the natural order thing doesnt hold water, or there wouldnt be observed instance of homosexuality in bees, or homesual dolphins that have partnered for life. thos show for a fact that its more than just a conscious decision, in more than just human nature. but again, im not going to have that discussion for the millionth time.

what i will say, is the only reason “homosexual action” is the sin, and not homosexuality, is because the church wont recognize a marital union between the two, and that any sexual activity outside of marriage is sinful, according to the church.

its a way of condemning homosexuality without actually having to say “being homosexual is wrong”, and its really appalling to me…

if youre going to take a stance on something, then take a stance, and dont try to act like youre compassionate in regards to something by wording things to your satisfaction…

 

[iamme]

Using a renegade priest to claim, “well, the church condemned interracial marriages!” is disingenuous.

this wasnt a “renegade priest”.
this was a great number of churches, and they used the “it’s illegal!” argument to carry out what they were too proud to do on their own.

and then, with time, and public opinion, they changed their minds.

 

[PRmerger]

this wasnt a “renegade priest”.
this was a great number of churches, and they used the “it’s illegal!” argument to carry out what they were too proud to do on their own.

and then, with time, and public opinion, they changed their minds.

Sources?

 

[PRmerger]

Answer this question what is the point of two elderly persons having sex? What purpose does it serve? If you can answer that you can explain a gay relationship.

Sex is ordered to new life, if things were functioning properly. Homosexual relations are not ordered to new life. Sexual relationship with an elderly couple it is still ordered towards new life.

Sterility by itself is not an impediment to marriage. However, homosexuals cannot even engage in the conjugal act. So it’s not that a homosexual act is sterile that makes it disordered necessarily, it’s that it’s not conjugal.

 

[PRmerger]

No, he was saying in the states that did not allow interracial marriages, the church refused to marry them. The rogues were the ones that married them The true the church followed state law regardless of its teaching of equal dignity. Though if you read the catholic encyclopedia on the the African American you might realize dignity does not mean equality:

Do you mean the bishops refused to give permission for interracial couples to marry?

His docile, cheerful, and emotional disposition is much influenced by his immediate environment, whether those surroundings be good or evil. Catholic faith and discipline are known to have a wholesome effect on the race. Observing men and judges of courts have remarked on the law-abiding spirit existing in Catholic coloured communities.** Some elements of the white man’s civilization do not always tend to elevate the morality of the negro. The negro is naturally gregarious, and the dissipations and conditions of city life in many instances corrupt the native simplicity of the younger generation to the sorrow of their more conservative elders.** (For a view ofreligion in these later times among the blacks in the native African home of the race, see AFRICA.) Contrary to a prevalent opinion, the negro, when well grounded in the Catholic faith, is tenacious of it.

Scary is it not? I realize it was a different time but it takes a away the roses of perfection that so many claim the catholic church represented through out all time.

Not so much, considering the time it was written. Indeed, I would say the Church was quite progressive in her thinking.