Question about Gay Marriage

[Ferde_Rombola]

THE agenda? Please fill me in because I’ve been gay since I can remember and I have yet to see this agenda./sarcasm

NoMoreGames, please, no games here. I don’t know what the ‘/sarcasm’ is supposed to mean, but if you don’t know what the homosexual agenda is, you’re either impossibly ignorant or a liar. And you’re not ‘gay.’ You’re a homosexual. ‘Gay’ means carefree and light-hearted, about the last words I’d use to describe 99% of the homosexuals I’ve known.

 

[NoMoreGames]

NoMoreGames, please, no games here. I don’t know what the ‘/sarcasm’ is supposed to mean, but if you don’t know what the homosexual agenda is, you’re either impossibly ignorant or a liar. And you’re not ‘gay.’ You’re a homosexual. ‘Gay’ means carefree and light-hearted, about the last words I’d use to describe 99% of the homosexuals I’ve known.

If you would have read all my other posts, you would see that I’ve been completely sincere this entire topic. There are some things that I get fed up with, like the “homosexual agenda”. The “/sarcasm” is taking from HTML programming language where “/” means end. I honestly thing that this agenda is something that those opposed to homosexual equality fabricated so they could have something tangible to fight, because I’ve honestly never seen it. There are not gay meetings where homosexuals get together and figure out how to bring down the straight regime. If there are, then they are as common as the straight meetings on how to bringing down the gay regime.

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

The institution of marriage as being between a male and a female brings up other often overlook ideas. Long ago, interracial relationships were seen as an abomination. Marriages were arranged. Families married for political power. A lot has changed since the dawn of time. Humans, by nature, resist change.

The marriages you mention, interracial, arranged and for political power, were heterosexual marriages. Homosexual practice is an abomination by any standard and that has not changed over time. Men having sex with men is bestial. The anus is NOT a sex organ and trying to sell it as such via the sensitivity of the prostate gland is fraudulent and fundamentally dishonest, which I find are the predominent traits in homosexual activists.

The goal of heterosexual union is procreation; the goal of homosexual practice is sexual gratification, which, when you are devoted to it, has no limitations. As demonstrated by, predominently, homosexual men.

 

[NoMoreGames]

The marriages you mention, interracial, arranged and for political power, were heterosexual marriages. Homosexual practice is an abomination by any standard and that has not changed over time. Men having sex with men is bestial. The anus is NOT a sex organ and trying to sell it as such via the sensitivity of the prostate gland is fraudulent and fundamentally dishonest, which I find are the predominent traits in homosexual activists.

The goal of heterosexual union is procreation; the goal of homosexual practice is sexual gratification, which, when you are devoted to it, has no limitations. As demonstrated by, predominently, homosexual men.

To say that the purpose of homosexual relations is sex is simply an unfair generalization. I wont post my story again, but if you read my other posts you still see that what you say is not always true. My boyfriend makes me that happiest I’ve ever felt, and brings me closer to God. All without sex.

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

no, its fruitless, because if it werent, all men would want YOUR wife, or all women would want you. in a scientific sense, if, like some, you want to go to the animal kingdom with it, then women would sleep with as many men as they could until pregnancy, then men would impregnate as many women as they could. but thats not how man works. our actions and impulses arent ingrained by any specific source, we do many different things for many different reasons, and trying to stereotype all people into one catergory, and saying “this why you do what you do” will never be correct, or attainable.
and if there is a certain logic behind gods intentions, then its not for you or i to know.

That’s how a person thinks about sex when it has no purpose but pleasure. The promiscuity you envision does not occur because heterosexual couples marry to have children and to raise them in what has always been the basic social structure, the family. Their actions and impulses are ingrained by the natural law, which homosexuality violates. People do different things differently, in context, for reasons outside the natural law, reasons which are invariably narcissistic and purely selfish.

 

[MALACHYONE]

St. Paul disagreed.

And forgiveness for mortal sins is readily and easily available through confession.

Not that I believe that their is much, if any, hope of convincing the born homophobic/bigot (on purpose or through ignorance), I will respond to this apparent knee jerk suggestion that all that is necessary for those who cannot receive communion is----to go to confession.

How can people who are ostracized by Church rules, like homosexuals, divorced and remarried Catholics go to confession.
Did the Church remove its boycott of these of our sinners last nite or something?

And, I no more believe that God would consider the sexual contacts of homosexuals----if that is embedded in that comment. —than the simiilar if not identical sexaul practices of heterosexuals.

The trouble with alot of you is that you spend all your time fanticizing or trying to immagine the sexaul practices of others;

With God,

Get an education and a life of your own.

 

[Kevin42]

How can people who are ostracized by Church rules, like homosexuals, divorced and remarried Catholics go to confession.
Did the Church remove its boycott of these of our sinners last nite or something?

I know people who have engaged in sexual acts with the same sex who have indeed been to confession, and who continue to do so. No one blocks homosexuals from mass, no one blocks them from the confessional and receiving forgiveness of their sins.

And I can say with absolute certainty, I am not homophobic:thumbsup: .

Peace and good.

 

[MALACHYONE]

I have an education: 4 yrs BA; 2 Yrs Grad Masters; 1/2 year Graduate; 2 yrs supervised practice; hundreds of hours of seminars and in service training…

Other than trying to come up with a smart alec reply to my posts, how about: 1. Your education listed, as mine, so I know if you have any and 2. Specific arguments on my points.

When all a person can do is cut down homosexuals further than our society in the US has already done, and who obviously do not wish to quote from the Psychiatric Manuals that homosexuality is not a mental illness of any kind, etc., then they do not have an education even 101 on the subject.

When you choose to denigrate the lives of our homosexual brothers and sisters then you do not really have a life.
I was tryintg to be charitable in this; as I find it so much more dispicable that you or others could actually spend your life trying to drive these folks even further down that already done.

You should get your education on the subject from other than porn sites, titillating news stories etc. or from fundamentalist drivel; who used to say essentially the same about our beloved Holy Mother Church.

 

[MALACHYONE]

I have an education: 4 yrs BA; 2 Yrs Grad Masters; 1/2 year Graduate; 2 yrs supervised practice; hundreds of hours of seminars and in service training…

Other than trying to come up with a smart alec reply to my posts, how about: 1. Your education listed, as mine, so I know if you have any and 2. Specific arguments on my points.

When all a person can do is cut down homosexuals further than our society in the US has already done, and who obviously do not wish to quote from the Psychiatric Manuals that homosexuality is not a mental illness of any kind, etc., then they do not have an education even 101 on the subject.

When you choose to denigrate the lives of our homosexual brothers and sisters then you do not really have a life.
I was tryintg to be charitable in this; as I find it so much more dispicable that you or others could actually spend your life trying to drive these folks even further down that already done.

You should get your education on the subject from other than porn sites, titillating news stories etc. or from fundamentalist drivel; who used to say essentially the same about our beloved Holy Mother Church.

BY THE WAY, I AM STRAIGHT.

 

[Elizabeth502]

Malachy, I won’t debate and/or support particular points of yours. Just wanted to say that I think your appeal to charity is an important one, one that I share. Undoubtedly everyone on CAF knows at least one gay person. Hopefully you see that person as a full human being, just like herself, worthy of God’s mercy and for whom Christ died equally, just like you. Even if you know or believe that person is acting out sexually (and know you yourself are chaste), you have no idea how righteous in other areas that person is compared to yourself. I know that’s true for myself! I know plenty of gay people whom I consider more virtuous in particular areas than I myself am. Chastity doesn’t happen to be my main problem at the moment, although I’ve definitely had previous battles with it and occasional ongoing battles from time to time. But I have plenty of other cardinal sins to sweat over aside from the cardinal sin of lust.

And even if one is dwelling on sexuality and its behavior, the chief response of the Christian should be compassion. It cannot be easy to be oriented toward someone or something that is forbidden or disapproved of by society. Even in the strictest moral framework, kindness and gentleness is called for.

 

[Kevin42]

its a way of condemning homosexuality without actually having to say “being homosexual is wrong”, and its really appalling to me…

if youre going to take a stance on something, then take a stance, and dont try to act like youre compassionate in regards to something by wording things to your satisfaction…

The Church has said that being attracted to the same-sex is disordered. However, how could she say that it is sinful? All of us were born imperfect and with our own spiritual, mental, and physical sufferings. However, just because we are inclined to certain sins does not cause us to automatically be sinful or evil. Our Lord came exactly for all those who have some imperfection that needs to be perfected in Christ for the glory of God. How could the Church turn these people away? The answer is that she can’t, and she does not. The Church is so compassionate and loving in her teaching. Glory to God!

 

[MALACHYONE]

The reader of the above should understand that this is just one answer from this one’s religious beliefs, period.

The government, thank God, is not going to adhere to this person’s religious beliefs, or anyone elses, please God.

AND, I could not sleep at nite if I did not nail the insult and lie about homosexuals not being able to get closer to God thru their marriage or relationship;

That is just so totally judgemental, naive, uneducated, so very rude and insulting, so wrong, so holier than thou, that anyone with an education on this subject—whether agreeing with each other or not on all points----would see how shallow and hopeless this commentary is.

How many homosexuals have you known who were in love with each other? None? Who are you to even comment on the subject then?

Since I know many who have been together for decades and happily and spiritually so, I find your comment unforgiveable and unacceptable.

Under God

One of the major problems in educating Catholics, especially, in understanding homosexuals is their childhood training. You can feel/read/hear it on these posts. Many act like homosexuality is a fun sin and homosexuals are sneaking around to have it.

So many Catholics who were raised rigidly, pointed toward the priesthood or religious life, etc. have serious sexual problems.
Thus, we found in, of all rightious places, the pedaphiles making a comfortble home within the Church; at all levels, with priest, nun, Bishop etc.

I have a cousin who missed making one of her kids a priest/nun, but did succeed in ruining the life of a son in so trying.

Many (Luther etc) cannot keep celibacy vows, then or now and have often almost openly lived with housekeepers, etc.

Pedaphiles, assaulters of vulnerable women in the parishs’, unfaithful to vows, hey, its common, if you have been around them as I have.

Just quite picking on the homosexuals who have largely hidden with the Church as nuns, devout priests and are, as often as not, more chaste than the heterosexual brothers/sisters.

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

love

You said ‘love’ is the purpose for homosexual attraction. That’s wrong. I’m heterosexual. I have male friends. I love them. I have no sexual attraction for them. Sexual attraction between men is a disordered condition and is entirely unnatural.

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

With time, the Church will rid itself from the racist and homophobic elements. Those who, for some reason, interpret the scriptures in racist or homophobic ways are going to suffer, since they’ll find harder and harder to find justification for their discriminatory behaviour.

Are you 12 years old?

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

what i will say, is the only reason “homosexual action” is the sin, and not homosexuality, is because the church wont recognize a marital union between the two, and that any sexual activity outside of marriage is sinful, according to the church.

its a way of condemning homosexuality without actually having to say “being homosexual is wrong”, and its really appalling to me

The Church holds homosexual practice sinful because (1) It’s an obvious abomination and a corruption of the intended uses of the human body, and (2) Scripture says it’s an abomination and sinful. The Church doesn’t condemn same sex attraction because she understands the inclination is not a choice in some homosexuals. Would you rather the Church condemn the inclination as well? That’s what it sounds like.

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

I honestly thing that this agenda is something that those opposed to homosexual equality fabricated so they could have something tangible to fight, because I’ve honestly never seen it. There are not gay meetings where homosexuals get together and figure out how to bring down the straight regime. If there are, then they are as common as the straight meetings on how to bringing down the gay regime.

Well, if you’ve never ‘seen’ the homosexual agenda then, as has been suggested to you, yuou didn’t get the memo.

Assuming your honesty, it is the adenda of homosexual activists to normalize homosexuality – to coerce society into the absurd notion that homosexuality is no different from heterosexuality. No different at all and should be treated as no different. Homosexual activists, aided and abetted by the teachers’ unions and their homosexual members, have bullied their way into public schools all over the country and are brainwashing children as young 5 that a person can have two mommies (and/or two daddies). Three mommies, or three mommies and two daddies (at the same time) is just around the corner.

The meetings you say don’t exist take place in every state in the union, where homosexual activists and their lawyers meet to decide what strategy they will use to overturn the morals, mores and norms of our society under the guise of civil rights. If you really don’t know what’s going on in this area, you have your head in the sand.

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

To say that the purpose of homosexual relations is sex is simply an unfair generalization. I wont post my story again, but if you read my other posts you still see that what you say is not always true. My boyfriend makes me that happiest I’ve ever felt, and brings me closer to God. All without sex.

In that case you are the exception and the fact you are homosexual is merely incidental to who you are. I applaud you. My attitudes are strictly in opposition to homosexual activists who are in court in every state subverting the traditional moral values of this country and the world. They comprise the majority of homosexuals in this country.

 

[dixieagle]

AND, I could not sleep at nite if I did not nail the insult and lie about homosexuals not being able to get closer to God thru their marriage or relationship;

That is just so totally judgemental, naive, uneducated, so very rude and insulting, so wrong, so holier than thou, that anyone with an education on this subject—whether agreeing with each other or not on all points----would see how shallow and hopeless this commentary is.

How many homosexuals have you known who were in love with each other? None? Who are you to even comment on the subject then?

Since I know many who have been together for decades and happily and spiritually so, I find your comment unforgiveable and unacceptable.

Under God

One of the major problems in educating Catholics, especially, in understanding homosexuals is their childhood training. You can feel/read/hear it on these posts. Many act like homosexuality is a fun sin and homosexuals are sneaking around to have it.

So many Catholics who were raised rigidly, pointed toward the priesthood or religious life, etc. have serious sexual problems.
Thus, we found in, of all rightious places, the pedaphiles making a comfortble home within the Church; at all levels, with priest, nun, Bishop etc.

I have a cousin who missed making one of her kids a priest/nun, but did succeed in ruining the life of a son in so trying.

Many (Luther etc) cannot keep celibacy vows, then or now and have often almost openly lived with housekeepers, etc.

Pedaphiles, assaulters of vulnerable women in the parishs’, unfaithful to vows, hey, its common, if you have been around them as I have.

Just quite picking on the homosexuals who have largely hidden with the Church as nuns, devout priests and are, as often as not, more chaste than the heterosexual brothers/sisters.

I’ve come fairly late to this volatile discussion but have some firsthand knowledge of gay marriage, as my sister and her girlfriend took advantage of Massachusetts law several years ago. More about that later. I’ve also worked for years in an industry that seems to attract large numbers of gay men (arts related.)

As one’s educational credentials seem important to you…I am a graduate of a (now) liberal-leaning Jesuit university, with plenty of theology, psychology, and biology courses under my belt, and am avidly interested in research on the subject of the causes of homosexuality, given our family’s experience.

I guess my take is this: I believe that sexual preference is often biological in origin (e.g., the research of Swaab,Allen, Lemay re:the hypothalamus, Hamer’s research on the X chromosome) but not necessarily exclusively biological (e.g., Bailey, Martin and others; if one identical twin is homosexual, why aren’t both?)

Though I believe that every one of us is a much-loved child of God, and deserving of dignity, I also believe that true marriage can only take place between one man and one woman, as this is the way God has chosen for His people to multiply.

It is also my sincere belief that some of us have bigger crosses to bear than others, and that this is certainly the case for people with same sex attraction, most of whom would not choose this lifestyle, given the ostracism, etc. (I surmise.)

The gay "marriage"with which I am most familiar came about after my sister left her husband and essentially turned over the care of her two young adolescent children to my elderly parents, while she was off with her new girlfriend. When she and g.f. availed themselves of the new Massachusetts law, she turned my parents out of the house they shared with her and the kids (the house that they helped her purchase…) so that she could sell it and buy one with her partner. The stress of this contributed directly to my mother’s death soon after.

Though I try hard to be charitable, and am open-minded as to the reasons behind sexual preference, the gay marriage I have seen up close has fostered selfishness and pain. (Though plenty of heterosexual marriage have, as well.) Not sure where else to go with this, but that’s my experience…

 

[NoMoreGames]

Three mommies, or three mommies and two daddies (at the same time) is just around the corner.

Aren’t parts of hte mormon church already permiting things like that? Looks like the sate is behind in the matter.

And to say that love isn’t the reason for marriage is just silly. relationships based on anything else simply dont stand up.

Both sides contradict themselves. Once again, neither side is likely to change their mind. We all love God. We’re all hopefully living our lives for him. Anything else is simply circumstantial.

(I think it’s interesting the last time i mentiond the fact we all love God, it was over looked, but my relationship has been micro examined )

 

[NoMoreGames]

In that case you are the exception and the fact you are homosexual is merely incidental to who you are. I applaud you. My attitudes are strictly in opposition to homosexual activists who are in court in every state subverting the traditional moral values of this country and the world. They comprise the majority of homosexuals in this country.

I totally agree with you. The few give a bad name to the many. But i appreciate your respect. Thank you.

And i like what you say. My homosexuality is incidental to who I am. I always tell people that if i tell them anything at all. It’s part of me, but certainly not all of me.