Question about Holy Days in the 1962 missal

[Psalm45_9]

OK, under the current Missal, Sundays give way only to Solemnities. This is also only in the case of Ordinary Time, the Sundays of Advent, Lent, and Easter take prescedence over Solemnities. The Feasts of Jesus will also be observed if they fall on a Sunday.

I know under the old missal, more feasts were permitted to be observed if they fell on a Sunday, such as St. Stephen’s Day (2nd class Feast.)

This issue arose because the Immaculate Conception was on Saturday this year. A bunch of the guys at my Seminary were thinking about going to the extraordinary Mass. The webpage for the church that celebrates it had next week’s bulletin up already. So they did not specify when the Tridentine Mass was. The home page said that on Holy Days it’s at 7pm. However, since it was a Saturday, I understood canonically speaking, Saturday evening was the 2nd Sunday in Advent. This is under the current missal, I am not sure how it is under the old. We ended up attending Mass at the Seminary, and went the Tridentine Mass the next day.

Next question:

Do the Sundays of Advent, Lent, and Easter also hold prescedence over Feasts and Solemnities in the old missal? This came to mind, because under the current missal, if December 8th falls on a Sunday, then the Immaculate Conception is transferred to Monday, the 9th. Under this circumstance, would the Old rite still observe the Sunday in Advent and would have a 2nd collect, secret, and post communion prayer for the Immaculate Conception? Or would the Solemnity be transferred?

Thank you all!

 

[AJV]

OK, under the current Missal, Sundays give way only to Solemnities. This is also only in the case of Ordinary Time, the Sundays of Advent, Lent, and Easter take prescedence over Solemnities. The Feasts of Jesus will also be observed if they fall on a Sunday.

I know under the old missal, more feasts were permitted to be observed if they fell on a Sunday, such as St. Stephen’s Day (2nd class Feast.)

This issue arose because the Immaculate Conception was on Saturday this year. A bunch of the guys at my Seminary were thinking about going to the extraordinary Mass. The webpage for the church that celebrates it had next week’s bulletin up already. So they did not specify when the Tridentine Mass was. The home page said that on Holy Days it’s at 7pm. However, since it was a Saturday, I understood canonically speaking, Saturday evening was the 2nd Sunday in Advent. This is under the current missal, I am not sure how it is under the old. We ended up attending Mass at the Seminary, and went the Tridentine Mass the next day.

Next question:

Do the Sundays of Advent, Lent, and Easter also hold prescedence over Feasts and Solemnities in the old missal? This came to mind, because under the current missal, if December 8th falls on a Sunday, then the Immaculate Conception is transferred to Monday, the 9th. Under this circumstance, would the Old rite still observe the Sunday in Advent and would have a 2nd collect, secret, and post communion prayer for the Immaculate Conception? Or would the Solemnity be transferred?

Thank you all!

Under the 1962 rubrics, St. Stephen does not take precedence over the Sunday within the Octave of the Nativity but vice versa.

Sundays of the I Class in the 1962 missal take precedence over feasts of the I Class. However an exception is made for the Immaculate Conception. Thus the Immaculate Conception would be celebrated and the Sunday commemorated.

Also, since the Immaculate Conception is a first Class feast, I don’t think it would ever be commemorated in the manner you describe, when it is impeded by a Sunday. Rather, as a first Class feast, it would be transferred to the first day when it can be celebrated fully.

 

[AJV]

OK, under the current Missal, Sundays give way only to Solemnities. This is also only in the case of Ordinary Time, the Sundays of Advent, Lent, and Easter take prescedence over Solemnities. The Feasts of Jesus will also be observed if they fall on a Sunday.

I know under the old missal, more feasts were permitted to be observed if they fell on a Sunday, such as St. Stephen’s Day (2nd class Feast.)

This issue arose because the Immaculate Conception was on Saturday this year. A bunch of the guys at my Seminary were thinking about going to the extraordinary Mass. The webpage for the church that celebrates it had next week’s bulletin up already. So they did not specify when the Tridentine Mass was. The home page said that on Holy Days it’s at 7pm. However, since it was a Saturday, I understood canonically speaking, Saturday evening was the 2nd Sunday in Advent. This is under the current missal, I am not sure how it is under the old. We ended up attending Mass at the Seminary, and went the Tridentine Mass the next day.

Next question:

Do the Sundays of Advent, Lent, and Easter also hold prescedence over Feasts and Solemnities in the old missal? This came to mind, because under the current missal, if December 8th falls on a Sunday, then the Immaculate Conception is transferred to Monday, the 9th. Under this circumstance, would the Old rite still observe the Sunday in Advent and would have a 2nd collect, secret, and post communion prayer for the Immaculate Conception? Or would the Solemnity be transferred?

Thank you all!

Under the 1962 rubrics, St. Stephen does not take precedence over the Sunday within the Octave of the Nativity but vice versa.

Sundays of the I Class in the 1962 missal take precedence over feasts of the I Class. However an exception is made for the Immaculate Conception. Thus the Immaculate Conception would be celebrated and the Sunday commemorated.

Also, since the Immaculate Conception is a first Class feast, I don’t think it would ever be commemorated in the manner you describe, when it is impeded by a Sunday. Rather, as a first Class feast, it would be transferred to the first day when it can be celebrated fully.

Previously (before 1956) this situation did not arise because II, III, IV Sundays of Advent were Sunday II Class and thus Doubles of the I Class took precedence over them. The 1956 change in rubrics elevated them all to the equivalent of “Doubles of I Class” Sundays which meant the Immaculate Conception would be transferred. The change in 1961 made an exception for the Immaculate Conception.

 

[Psalm45_9]

Under the 1962 rubrics, St. Stephen does not take precedence over the Sunday within the Octave of the Nativity but vice versa.

What I mean is, will he still be commemorated if his feast falls on a Sunday. Currently this is not the case, he is superceded by the Feast of the Holy Family. There is no 2nd prayer for him etc. Under the old calendar, the Feast of the Holy Family was during the Octave of Epiphany, not Christmas. My great grandmother’s missal, pre 1955, shows that the Feasts of the Christmas Octave are still commemorated on Sundays, meaning the secret prayer, post communion prayer etc. would still be said along with the Sunday prayers. I guess this was abolished in the 62 missal.

Currently Sunday is Sunday. However, if a Solemnity or Feast of Jesus falls on a Sunday (during ordinary time only) the Mass for that day is observed and not the Sunday propers.

 

[AJV]

What I mean is, will he still be commemorated if his feast falls on a Sunday. Currently this is not the case, he is superceded by the Feast of the Holy Family. There is no 2nd prayer for him etc. Under the old calendar, the Feast of the Holy Family was during the Octave of Epiphany, not Christmas. My great grandmother’s missal, pre 1955, shows that the Feasts of the Christmas Octave are still commemorated on Sundays, meaning the secret prayer, post communion prayer etc. would still be said along with the Sunday prayers. I guess this was abolished in the 62 missal.

Currently Sunday is Sunday. However, if a Solemnity or Feast of Jesus falls on a Sunday (during ordinary time only) the Mass for that day is observed and not the Sunday propers.

Yes. The Mass will be of the Octave of Christmas with commemoration of St. Stephen. However, before this, it was the other way around- The Mass would be of St. Stephen with commemoration of the Sunday. This is because in the 1962 Missal the Sunday within the Octave of the Nativity has a higher rank than it had previously